I mean, don't get me wrong, I like ATI and they have some promise in them. I actually wish they would get in gear and start giving Nvidia a little pressure. I understand in Anands review of the R200 that it was just a preview and the drivers were not final. But i mean the geforce 3 beat it as well as severl other cards in some tests. yet when it comes out Nvidia will be close behind with something even better then the GF3. So how does ATI ever plan to catch up if they keep producing cards that are slower then what is already out. also what happened to them just selling there GPU's? they would be much better off if they put more time into research and development and let other people actually put the cards together. Please don't blast me for this, as I said, i do like ATI. I just wonder what they are thinking?