I watched an episode of the universe last night. I want to make sure I understood it

alanwest09872

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Ok basically from what I understood. If we look throught a telescope at say saturn. We arnt looking at the Saturn of now we are looking at the Saturn from 30 mins ago.

Basically light takes time to reach different destiations. It takes 7-8 mins to reach earth. Then it takes 30 mins to go from earth to Saturn. So if you look through a telescope and see saturn its not the Saturn from now its the Saturn from 30 mins ago. Because the light is hitting Saturn reflecting off. When we look through a telescope and see saturn its light up because the suns rays are reflecting off of it and those reflections take 30 mins to get back to us.

This is the way I percieved it when they went into detail. Is the way I percieved it correct?

This is why we can take the hubol telescope look at distent stars and see what happened near the big bang. They said they have been able to look back and see up to 700 million years after the big bang. Because distent stars lights are just hitting us but those stars lights took billions and billions of years to reach earth.

And how we have new stars in the sky but we cant see them yet because there light hasnt hit us yet. Or how some stars have died out but we can still see them because there light is still traveling to earth.

Now am I correct or did I percieve this wrong?
 

Baked

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You got it right. Everything we see is in the past, even the things in front of us.
 

FoBoT

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wty

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Maybe what you've seen has been no longer existed for a long time.
 

Jeff7

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Yup.

Light has a very finite speed.

Once it is emitted or reflected from an object, the information it carries about that object won't change much (well, except for absorption by gas/dust, or Doppler shift effects:)). So if it reflected off of Saturn 30 minutes ago, you are indeed seeing Saturn as it was 30 minutes ago.

Another fun example: If the Sun suddenly vanished from existence by means of magic or extremely powerful alien pranksters, we wouldn't know about it for over 8 minutes.
 

FoBoT

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Another fun example: If the Sun suddenly vanished from existence by means of magic or extremely powerful alien pranksters, we wouldn't know about it for over 8 minutes.
or went super nova through normal scientific means
 

Zeze

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I have a question that's been bothering the shit out of me.

Light is the absolute fastest thing in this world yes?

What if we made a long stick. It's very long- 1 light years long. If I push that stick to knock over a domino in a planet 1 light years long, wouldn't it be instant? Didn't I just knock that over than the speed of light?
 

FoBoT

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Particle exchange force model is not causal

i.e. the OP's question was appropriate level for OT
Zeze question should go in Highly Technical, two different levels of physics
 

Jeff7

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or went super nova through normal scientific means
Or something like that, at least as far as the light is concerned. (Though our star is too small to go supernova. :p)


But I had meant gone completely - even the gravitational effects wouldn't get to us instantly.



I have a question that's been bothering the shit out of me.

Light is the absolute fastest thing in this world yes?

What if we made a long stick. It's very long- 1 light years long. If I push that stick to knock over a domino in a planet 1 light years long, wouldn't it be instant? Didn't I just knock that over than the speed of light?
The "push" wouldn't travel through the stick instantly.
When you push on the stick, the atoms in your hand strongly repel the atoms in the stick. That repulsive force between atoms can only move at a speed up to the speed of light. Those atoms then move toward the other atoms in the stick, which then also feel the repulsive force, so they too try to move away, in the approximate direction you were pushing. This effect continues along the entire stick, and the whole thing moves.

So if you had a really long stick, the fastest speed that the effects of a force could move through it would be the speed of light. So, no, you still can't transmit information faster than the speed of light. :p (At least not with matter or photons.)

And I have a feeling that the effects of the force you'd impart into the stick would in fact move much slower than the speed of light, specifically, they'd move at the speed of sound through that particular medium.
 
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FoBoT

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(Though our star is too small to go supernova. :p)

i knew you were going to say that as soon as i posted :oops:
BUT
if Spock shows up with some red matter and deposits it into our Sun, the mass would increase to the point a super nova would be possible
 

Jeff7

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i knew you were going to say that as soon as i posted :oops:
BUT
if Spock shows up with some red matter and deposits it into our Sun, the mass would increase to the point a super nova would be possible
Nah, not Spock. SG-1 might cause problems though. Yeah, let's override the safety protocols on the Stargate and route a wormhole through a star, and accidentally dump a radioactive science-fiction TV script author into its core. What could possibly go wrong? :)
 

wty

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Or something like that, at least as far as the light is concerned. (Though our star is too small to go supernova. :p)


But I had meant gone completely - even the gravitational effects wouldn't get to us instantly.




The "push" wouldn't travel through the stick instantly.
When you push on the stick, the atoms in your hand strongly repel the atoms in the stick. That repulsive force between atoms can only move at a speed up to the speed of light. Those atoms then move toward the other atoms in the stick, which then also feel the repulsive force, so they too try to move away, in the approximate direction you were pushing. This effect continues along the entire stick, and the whole thing moves.

So if you had a really long stick, the fastest speed that the effects of a force could move through it would be the speed of light. So, no, you still can't transmit information faster than the speed of light. :p (At least not with matter or photons.)

And I have a feeling that the effects of the force you'd impart into the stick would in fact move much slower than the speed of light, specifically, they'd move at the speed of sound through that particular medium.


How about entangled quantum,it's speed is unlimited,so Einstein doubt it.
 

busydude

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I have a question that's been bothering the shit out of me.

Light is the absolute fastest thing in this world yes?

What if we made a long stick. It's very long- 1 light years long. If I push that stick to knock over a domino in a planet 1 light years long, wouldn't it be instant? Didn't I just knock that over than the speed of light?

There is a thread on this exact same question in highly technical sub-forum.
 

DigDog

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hubble.
we do not see "in the past", these time-related statements are idiotic and need to die. we see light in the present in the shape it obtained previously by bouncing off an object.
 

Mr. Pedantic

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Yup, go out and look up at all the stars, they may no longer be there anymore. Interesting thought.
If a star say, 300LY away died, then for the person 300LY away watching it die 300 years later, did the event happen 300 years ago, or is it happening right now?
 

chimaxi83

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If a star say, 300LY away died, then for the person 300LY away watching it die 300 years later, did the event happen 300 years ago, or is it happening right now?

If you're 300 LY away, and seeing it now, it happened 300 years ago.
 

Sa7aN

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isnt a star in orion going to go super nova sometime in the next 50 years and provide enough light to seem to be 1/2 of full moons light on a moonless night or something?
 

RavenSEAL

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isnt a star in orion going to go super nova sometime in the next 50 years and provide enough light to seem to be 1/2 of full moons light on a moonless night or something?

2 suns from what I read. Could have already gone off already for all we know. Should be a neat sight!