"I was never fully American. I was Jewish."

[William Gaatjes]

WG: Not entirely true. As many other posters have mentioned before, is that the jewish people have been on numerous occasions been targets of aggression.

M: I took that part of truth that in my opinion is relevant here. I did not intend to write a treatise on the Fall of Germany. The Nazis used an historical bias against the Jews to foment irrational rage that could be directed. Their hatred of the Jew ate them alive. Psychotics always overplay their hand.

WG: Why this may be is not important right now.

M: Actually, from what you write you don't actually know so I will tell you.

It is the nature of self hate. We were traumatized as children and put down, made to feel the worst in the world, and at a time before we had any psychological defenses of the kind you now employ to deny this happened to you. We repressed it because we would have been killed if we did not conform to the insanity of our parents. And we would have died had we constantly consciously experienced the pain. The memories are now deeply and safely buried but sadly we are psychically dead. We have all this hate and we can't allow ourselves to know its source so we project it out into the world on somebody weaker that we can pick on. The Christ Killers were and are a convenient target. All hatred of the other is self hate. You can't see it because you don't want to feel it. You can tell me nothing because I have. I know and you are blind and that is the way it is.

I think you would have been the soulmate of Sigmund Freud ...
I like to look more at the facts. If humans where so full of selfhate, they would have destroyed themselves a long time ago. Love has always been stronger. All of humanity on this planet just needs a mutual enemy. It is sad that has to be the way, though... Those darn outdated traits do not disappear fast enough...

WG: Nazi Germany wanted to fast to much. That is what killed them, not the hatred propaganda of hitler against the jewish people. Germany at the time was technological superior with respect to the countries surrounding Germany. But Hitler wanted to fast to much and everything. And that is where he failed and lost. You cannot fight the whole world alone. But crazy junkies as Hitler and his people where, they actually thought they could.

M: Spare me please. I know the story maybe even better than you.

Now you got me interested, for i enjoy what is called history...

WG: EDIT :

You might want to do research about the exodus 1947.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Exodus

You might try feeling what you feel. No book or computer needed.

Bliss. does that say anything to you ?

WG: I have read once in a book (I am not sure if it is true) that the allies themselves wanted to shoot the exodus 1947 when in open sea. The anger and hate driving some of the older jewish people in modern day Israel is pretty easy to explain once you know that piece of information... I would have had the feeling that the whole world is against me myself if i would have been in their position at the time.

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/media_nm.php?ModuleId=10005129&MediaId=3426

Part of the answer of the question asked by many people is guilt.

M: Guilt is nothing more than self hate.

Are you perhaps a gnostic believer ?
For some reason, you often remind me of the gnostic believes...

 

[werepossum]

Lets see, from the Wiki page of the F16 (which is by no means a surplus assault rifle), under "Operators":



Apache helicopter, likewise:



Where do you think the Apache Longbows of the Egyptian air force are made? What about the Apaches of the Saudis? And the Jordanians? Armies of Qatar, Kuwait, UAE, who do they buy from? And where do Pakistanis buy their weapons? And for a comic relief, who do you think armed Taliban? At least you know the weapons US sells to Israel won't end up in the hands of guerrilla.
Just as an interesting anecdote, the Egyptian army uses, relatively, more US made weapon system than Israel does (because Israel self-develops a significant part).

Who do you want to sell to next, Gadaffi?

Here here, this clown is talking about American interests. Arms trafficking to
any self-respecting Muslim tyrant douchebag the world has seen, yet he's complaining USA arms Israel.

Egypt also has damned near as many Abrams tanks (arguably the best offensive tank in the world) as does the USA. Israel builds its own tanks (and the latest Merkava is arguably the world's best defensive tank.) Israeli tech (and not just military) also flows into the United States, and more could if allowed. (Rafael's Trophy Active Defense System actually works; so far ours does not. Their Spike missiles are also state of the art, as is a lot of Israeli kit.) You cannot make that claim about any Arab country. (Even those non-Arab Muslim countries exporting tech are manufacturing only, with the real design work in Western nations.) We arm a number of Arab and Muslim countries (which is fine if they are allies) but get no technology back. We arm them for political and financial reasons.

 

[ciproxr]

"Its true."

While, excellent debating skills. I proved it is patently untrue.

Whether I am Jewish or not is irrelevant.

Why should that matter? Does that somehow make what I say less credible and legitimate?

You are obviously a bigot.


This UN?

It actually does matter, because motive is an important factor and it may affect your credibility.

I also find it ironic that you are calling me a bigot.

 

[fallout man]

I also find it ironic that you are calling me a bigot.

Yes. The frothius bigotus is a completely different genus. Nice catch, IHateMuslims!

 

[Noobtastic]

It actually does matter, because motive is an important factor and it may affect your credibility.

I also find it ironic that you are calling me a bigot.

You clearly don't know the definition of irony. Or know anything about the UN, Israel, or the Middle East.

 

[ciproxr]

You clearly don't know the definition of irony. Or know anything about the UN, Israel, or the Middle East.

if anything its the opposite of what you just said. i would like to encourage you to read a dictionary

 

[JEDIYoda]

if anything its the opposite of what you just said. i would like to encourage you to read a dictionary

The problem you have with bei8ng inexperienced in discussing these things is that the dictionary means nothing.....
Definitions have to be according to what people can agree on, the dictionaries is not the holy grail of definitions.
That`s what makes things so hard to get parties to agree.
because truth be told the dictionary oftimes is lacking and people just refuse to agree on what things actually mean.

For example the words-- Human Rights......you can be rigid or you can be loose.......
The definition means nothing if people cannot agree what it means....
Thus your lack of experience.
BTW you do come accross as a Bigot.........
By other peoples definition...

 

[fallout man]

the problem you have with bei8ng inexperienced in discussing these things is that the dictionary means nothing.....
Definitions have to be according to what people can agree on, the dictionaries is not the holy grail of definitions.
That`s what makes things so hard to get parties to agree.
Because truth be told the dictionary oftimes is lacking and people just refuse to agree on what things actually mean.

For example the words-- human rights......you can be rigid or you can be loose.......
The definition means nothing if people cannot agree what it means....
Thus your lack of experience.
Btw you do come accross as a bigot.........
By other peoples definition...

post of the decade.

 

[ciproxr]

The problem you have with bei8ng inexperienced in discussing these things is that the dictionary means nothing.....
Definitions have to be according to what people can agree on, the dictionaries is not the holy grail of definitions.
That`s what makes things so hard to get parties to agree.
because truth be told the dictionary oftimes is lacking and people just refuse to agree on what things actually mean.

For example the words-- Human Rights......you can be rigid or you can be loose.......
The definition means nothing if people cannot agree what it means....
Thus your lack of experience.
BTW you do come accross as a Bigot.........
By other peoples definition...

people don't write dictionary's ?

What you're saying is words have broad definitions and i think the problem is not my inexperience but more the fact that we do not agree. If anything you and your friends have been coming across as bigots with personal interest in mind.

 

[JEDIYoda]

post of the decade.

Thank You!! I was just being truthful.....
Of course you have been there so i take that as a compliment!!

תודה לך חבר שלי!

 

[fallout man]

Thank You!! I was just being truthful.....
Of course you have been there so i take that as a compliment!!

תודה לך חבר שלי!

I'm so goy, your head would spin...