"I was never fully American. I was Jewish."

[SandEagle]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/08/17/jews.christians/

• Story Highlights
• Orthodox Jew asks evangelical Christians to fund West Bank settlements
• Florida church among supporters, writing checks and observing Jewish Sabbath
• Poll found 59% of U.S. evangelicals believe Israel is fulfillment of prophecy
• One rabbi raised $39 million last year from Christian Zionists for Israel

Bunch of confused people out there. $39 million dollars would've fixed a lot of roads and schools here in the good ole USA.

"Baras said God called her to this work. She left her high-powered, high-paid job as a Wall Street lawyer and moved to Israel in 1984.
"I was never fully American," she explained. "I was Jewish." Judaism was not only her religion but also her nationality."


We need people and a president who puts America first, second, and third.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk1xN5QfXG8

cue IHV in 3, 2, 1....

 

[JS80]

Why do you hate Jews so much?

 

[SamurAchzar]

We need people and a president who puts America first, second, and third.

And who said fucking Israel over is in American interests (as opposed to the interests of Obama)?

 

[Noobtastic]

We need people and a president who puts America first, second, and third.

More Israeil bashing?

Obama puts Muslim trolls first, second, and third.

America is a distant fifth.

CNN is getting fucked in the ratings so they've taken a few hints from europe.

israel is teh sux and obama pimp stories sell.

honest journalist exposing apartheid apartheid dictatorship and homicidal palestinians...ehh, not good.

draw a cartoon and you're dead.

 

[Lemon law]

I know of many American Jews, Christian, and Atheists who support what Israel can be,
but can't quite stomach what Israel has become. There is also a substantial minority inside of Israel who believe the same way.

There is no conflict in those above type beliefs, our acceptance of the behavior of ourselves or others should always be conditional and never total.

Nor should we assume that anyone or any group are predestined to bad behavior beyond any hope of redemption, there is always the hope of better behavior in future.

 

[SandEagle]

Why do you hate Jews so much?

hmm. CNN directed that segment, not me. I don't see any 'Jew-hating' anywhere in the article, video, or my post. Can you point it out, please? In fact I have a Jewish girlfriend. How do you like them apples? :awe:

 

[Tristicus]

Bunch of confused people out there. $39 million dollars would've fixed a lot of roads and schools here in the good ole USA.

 

[Lemon law]

Gotta admit that Trisicus may have beaded the SandEagle non-bias claim with, " Originally Posted by SandEagle View Post

Bunch of confused people out there. $39 million dollars would've fixed a lot of roads and schools here in the good ole USA."
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But it cuts both ways, when Arabs fund anti-Israeli terrorism and others fund Israeli terrorism, is that charity really productive? And then there is the other question, when that charity is government tax payer supported decision, why should I see my tax payer dough being used to support the totally counterproductive rascally behavior on either side?

 

[JS80]

hmm. CNN directed that segment, not me. I don't see any 'Jew-hating' anywhere in the article, video, or my post. Can you point it out, please? In fact I have a Jewish girlfriend. How do you like them apples? :awe:

Is she aware of your anti-Zionism and Antisemitism?

 

[SandEagle]

Is she aware of your anti-Zionism and Antisemitism?

somebody ban this troll.

btw, that is a trick question. she is aware of something else tho.. know what im sayn? fffff

 

[Noobtastic]

somebody ban this troll.

btw, that is a trick question. she is aware of something else tho.. know what im sayn? fffff

Yes, ban anyone who criticizes the peace-loving anti zionists.

 

[Lemon law]

Ok, be it resolved, there is nothing wrong with private charity if it helps the victims of natural disasters like earthquakes, fires, famine, flood-----------etc. Even if we need road schools, etc, they, as fellow humans, need our help far more.

But we all get on a slippery slope if such private charities fund the oppression of one group by another. I somewhat apologize to SandEagle who failed to realize just one of the fallacies of the link he posted, and thus failed to make one correct distinctions.

 

[disappoint]

I support Israel. I see them as a valuable American ally in the region where there are few such democratic allies. I do not however support Israel's actions against it's neighbors which bring it closer to it's own destruction because I, unlike our enemies, don't want to see Israel destroyed.

 

[Ancalagon44]

yeah, put Israel first and benefit a handful of the rich elite who stand to make millions! yeah that will really help america.

Nevermind that America hasnt been helping decrease tensions in the region with its "War on Terror", Ex-Supreme Warlord Bush and its veto of anything critical of Israel in the UN security council. If the USA hadnt spent billions of dollars invading Iraq and Afghanistan over mostly false pretences, maybe the Middle East wouldnt be swinging hard towards fundamentalist Islam? It isnt hard for nutjob clerics to convert normal Islamic people to their cause if the USA keeps destroying their countries while protecting a huge human rights abuser - Israel.

 

[Thump553]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/08/17/jews.christians/

• Story Highlights
• Orthodox Jew asks evangelical Christians to fund West Bank settlements
• Florida church among supporters, writing checks and observing Jewish Sabbath
• Poll found 59% of U.S. evangelicals believe Israel is fulfillment of prophecy
• One rabbi raised $39 million last year from Christian Zionists for Israel

* * *

The part I bolded is the part that really scares me. Until roughly the 1980s or so most of us non-Jewish USA supporters of Israel were liberals and the classic recruitment tool was guilt tripping. Frankly those fears were very well founded. Back then the modern fundamentalist Christian movement (money, USA and God as the holy trinity) didn't exist yet. The stongly Christian people tended to be anti-Semetic as often as not, viewing the Jews as Jesus-killers.

Times have now changed. Many fundamentalists strongly support Israel and are actively seeking Armegeddon to start in the MidEast. This support is not only fleeting but it is incredibly destabilizing, having driven Israel further and further away from seeking peace (admittedly a very dificult goal). Such great historical figures as Golda Meir would have no place in modern Israeli politics, and under the present Israeli administration such things as making peace with Eygpt, Jordan and Turkey would not be possible. It is only the USA's influence and vast outpouring of monies that is holding this fragile peace together.

Put me strongly in the camp that supports Israel and it's right to exist, but rejects the how high when they tell us to jump these days.

 

[Moonbeam]

We become what we fear. Nazi Germany was destroyed because it fucked the Jews and now Israel will die because they are fucking the Palestinians. What goes around comes around. Repression causes hate and hate causes repression. He who is made to hate will soon become hated because he will act hatefully. Nobody listens to Jesus, neither Christians nor Jews or anybody else.

All hate is self hate, and the purpose of self hate is to destroy you as you feel you deserve. Fundamentalists are so full of self hate they want the world to end so they can prove they are right. All human life must die so they can shove their rightness up the ass of the unborn future. They don't believe in abortion, except for the whole human race.

 

[William Gaatjes]

We become what we fear. Nazi Germany was destroyed because it fucked the Jews and now Israel will die because they are fucking the Palestinians. What goes around comes around. Repression causes hate and hate causes repression. He who is made to hate will soon become hated because he will act hatefully. Nobody listens to Jesus, neither Christians nor Jews or anybody else.

All hate is self hate, and the purpose of self hate is to destroy you as you feel you deserve. Fundamentalists are so full of self hate they want the world to end so they can prove they are right. All human life must die so they can shove their rightness up the ass of the unborn future. They don't believe in abortion, except for the whole human race.

Not entirely true. As many other posters have mentioned before, is that the jewish people have been on numerous occasions been targets of aggression. Why this may be is not important right now. Nazi Germany wanted to fast to much. That is what killed them, not the hatred propaganda of hitler against the jewish people. Germany at the time was technological superior with respect to the countries surrounding Germany. But Hitler wanted to fast to much and everything. And that is where he failed and lost. You cannot fight the whole world alone. But crazy junkies as Hitler and his people where, they actually thought they could.

EDIT :

You might want to do research about the exodus 1947.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Exodus

I have read once in a book (I am not sure if it is true) that the allies themselves wanted to shoot the exodus 1947 when in open sea. The anger and hate driving some of the older jewish people in modern day Israel is pretty easy to explain once you know that piece of information... I would have had the feeling that the whole world is against me myself if i would have been in their position at the time.

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/media_nm.php?ModuleId=10005129&MediaId=3426

Part of the answer of the question asked by many people is guilt.

 

[Moonbeam]

WG: Not entirely true. As many other posters have mentioned before, is that the jewish people have been on numerous occasions been targets of aggression.

M: I took that part of truth that in my opinion is relevant here. I did not intend to write a treatise on the Fall of Germany. The Nazis used an historical bias against the Jews to foment irrational rage that could be directed. Their hatred of the Jew ate them alive. Psychotics always overplay their hand.

WG: Why this may be is not important right now.

M: Actually, from what you write you don't actually know so I will tell you.

It is the nature of self hate. We were traumatized as children and put down, made to feel the worst in the world, and at a time before we had any psychological defenses of the kind you now employ to deny this happened to you. We repressed it because we would have been killed if we did not conform to the insanity of our parents. And we would have died had we constantly consciously experienced the pain. The memories are now deeply and safely buried but sadly we are psychically dead. We have all this hate and we can't allow ourselves to know its source so we project it out into the world on somebody weaker that we can pick on. The Christ Killers were and are a convenient target. All hatred of the other is self hate. You can't see it because you don't want to feel it. You can tell me nothing because I have. I know and you are blind and that is the way it is.

WG: Nazi Germany wanted to fast to much. That is what killed them, not the hatred propaganda of hitler against the jewish people. Germany at the time was technological superior with respect to the countries surrounding Germany. But Hitler wanted to fast to much and everything. And that is where he failed and lost. You cannot fight the whole world alone. But crazy junkies as Hitler and his people where, they actually thought they could.

M: Spare me please. I know the story maybe even better than you.

WG: EDIT :

You might want to do research about the exodus 1947.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Exodus

You might try feeling what you feel. No book or computer needed.

WG: I have read once in a book (I am not sure if it is true) that the allies themselves wanted to shoot the exodus 1947 when in open sea. The anger and hate driving some of the older jewish people in modern day Israel is pretty easy to explain once you know that piece of information... I would have had the feeling that the whole world is against me myself if i would have been in their position at the time.

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/media_nm.php?ModuleId=10005129&MediaId=3426

Part of the answer of the question asked by many people is guilt.

M: Guilt is nothing more than self hate.

 

[piasabird]

If you had escaped a Nazi Death Camp, you might feel different.

 

[werepossum]

hmm. CNN directed that segment, not me. I don't see any 'Jew-hating' anywhere in the article, video, or my post. Can you point it out, please? In fact I have a Jewish girlfriend. How do you like them apples? :awe:

Hah! So you admit you want to screw the Jews!

I have no problem with the article. I also have no problem with Christians donating money to Israeli settlements - in fact, I've donated money to other causes inside Israel myself. I think evangelical Christians and observant Jews should be natural allies, Christianity being an extension of Judaism. (As Jesus said He came not to break the Law, but to complete it.) And I think a healthy, vibrant Israel is an asset to America and to freedom everywhere.

 

[Lemon law]

As a matter of fact Werepossim is 2/3 right, the problem is Islam is the third off shoot of Judaism. And in Islam Jesus is labeled as one of many prophets, with many of the Jewish prophets also shared in Islam back to Abraham.

Take any comparative religion class, you will find all those three faiths are all labeled as peas in the same pod, and the 3 pea pod as the lone pod on the plant.

 

[ciproxr]

Why does it have to be hate ? you dont have to hate someone or something to know your priority's .

I'm getting tiered of these Israel treads

If you love Israel so much it should come out of your paycheck, not mine. Create a private group and donate! dont expect me to pay for a cause you support.

If christians (im christian, on paper on at least) want to send money to support Israeli settlements, they can do that, just dont expect the government to fund anything.

 

[Genx87]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/08/17/jews.christians/

• Story Highlights
• Orthodox Jew asks evangelical Christians to fund West Bank settlements
• Florida church among supporters, writing checks and observing Jewish Sabbath
• Poll found 59% of U.S. evangelicals believe Israel is fulfillment of prophecy
• One rabbi raised $39 million last year from Christian Zionists for Israel

Bunch of confused people out there. $39 million dollars would've fixed a lot of roads and schools here in the good ole USA.

"Baras said God called her to this work. She left her high-powered, high-paid job as a Wall Street lawyer and moved to Israel in 1984.
"I was never fully American," she explained. "I was Jewish." Judaism was not only her religion but also her nationality."


We need people and a president who puts America first, second, and third.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk1xN5QfXG8

cue IHV in 3, 2, 1....

Sadly 39 million would fund about 2-3 miles of road construction. And probably wouldnt even be enough to build an elementary school.

 

[marincounty]

Hey, but we're building schools and hospitals in Iraq-with tax dollars. Which is worse?

 

[SamurAchzar]

Why does it have to be hate ? you dont have to hate someone or something to know your priority's .

I'm getting tiered of these Israel treads

If you love Israel so much it should come out of your paycheck, not mine. Create a private group and donate! dont expect me to pay for a cause you support.

If christians (im christian, on paper on at least) want to send money to support Israeli settlements, they can do that, just dont expect the government to fund anything.

You made a very strong stance right there. Good for you. Now, do you support the continual protection the US gives to South Korea and Japan, both immensely richer and in a less hostile area than Israel? It's coming out of YOUR tax dollars. You have American troops in Japan and in South Korea, America grants these countries a nuclear umbrella and Japan doesn't even need to have a real military - they got it all covered by uncle Sam.

But you still maintain the bullshit about settlements built on your own tax dollars, when the aid Israel receives is for military procurement, limited to US manufacturers on US soil. Did you know Israeli weapon companies relocated entire plants to the US so that they could sell to the IDF competitively (out of US aid)?

Do you even know how much it costs the US to maintain its military presence in Europe, just so that EU countries won't need real armies or go to real wars where people die?