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I was a naive fool to be a human shield for Saddam

Chadder007

Diamond Member
This is a letter from an Israeli American....

I was a naive fool to be a human shield for Saddam
By Daniel Pepper
(Filed: 23/03/2003)
I wanted to join the human shields in Baghdad because it was direct action which had a chance of bringing the anti-war movement to the forefront of world attention. It was inspiring: the human shield volunteers were making a sacrifice for their political views - much more of a personal investment than going to a demonstration in Washington or London. It was simple - you get on the bus and you represent yourself.

So that is exactly what I did on the morning of Saturday, January 25. I am a 23-year-old Jewish-American photographer living in Islington, north London. I had travelled in the Middle East before: as a student, I went to the Palestinian West Bank during the intifada. I also went
to Afghanistan as a photographer for Newsweek.

The human shields appealed to my anti-war stance, but by the time I had left Baghdad five weeks later my views had changed drastically. I wouldn't say that I was exactly pro-war - no, I am ambivalent - but I have a strong desire to see Saddam removed.
We on the bus felt that we were sympathetic to the views of the Iraqi civilians, even though we didn't actually know any. The group was less interested in standing up for their rights than protesting against the US and UK governments.

I was shocked when I first met a pro-war Iraqi in Baghdad - a taxi driver taking me back to my hotel late at night. I explained that I was American and said, as we shields always did, "Bush bad, war bad, Iraq good". He looked at me with an expression of incredulity.
As he realised I was serious, he slowed down and started to speak in broken English about the evils of Saddam's regime. Until then I had only heard the President spoken of with respect, but now this guy was telling me how all of Iraq's oil money went into Saddam's pocket and that if you opposed him politically he would kill your whole family.

It scared the hell out of me. First I was thinking that maybe it was the secret police trying to trick me but later I got the impression that he wanted me to help him escape. I felt so bad. I told him: "Listen, I am just a schmuck from the United States, I am not with the UN, I'm not with the CIA - I just can't help you."

Of course I had read reports that Iraqis hated Saddam Hussein, but this was the real thing. Someone had explained it to me face to face. I told a few journalists who I knew. They said that this sort of thing often happened - spontaneous, emotional, and secretive outbursts imploring visitors to free them from Saddam's tyrannical Iraq.

I became increasingly concerned about the way the Iraqi regime was restricting the movement of the shields, so a few days later I left Baghdad for Jordan by taxi with five others. Once over the border we felt comfortable enough to ask our driver what he felt about the regime and the threat of an aerial bombardment.

"Don't you listen to Powell on Voice of America radio?" he said. "Of course the Americans don't want to bomb civilians. They want to bomb government and Saddam's palaces. We want America to bomb Saddam."
We just sat, listening, our mouths open wide. Jake, one of the others, just kept saying, "Oh my God" as the driver described the horrors of the regime. Jake was so shocked at how naive he had been. We all were. It hadn't occurred to anyone that the Iraqis might actually be pro-war.

The driver's most emphatic statement was: "All Iraqi people want this war." He seemed convinced that civilian casualties would be small; he had such enormous faith in the American war machine to follow through on its promises. Certainly more faith than any of us had.
Perhaps the most crushing thing we learned was that most ordinary Iraqis thought Saddam Hussein had paid us to come to protest in Iraq. Although we explained that this was categorically not the case, I don't think he believed us. Later he asked me: "Really, how much did Saddam pay you to come?"

It hit me on visceral and emotional levels: this was a real portrayal of Iraq life. After the first conversation, I completely rethought my view of the Iraqi situation. My understanding changed on intellectual, emotional, psychological levels. I remembered the experience of seeing Saddam's egomaniacal portraits everywhere for the past two weeks and tried to place myself in the shoes of someone who had been subjected to seeing them every day for the last 20 or so years.

Last Thursday night I went to photograph the anti-war rally in Parliament Square. Thousands of people were shouting "No war" but without thinking about the implications for Iraqis. Some of them were drinking, dancing to Samba music and sparring with the police. It was as if the protesters were talking about a different country where the ruling government is perfectly acceptable. It really upset me.
Anyone with half a brain must see that Saddam has to be taken out. It is extraordinarily ironic that the anti-war protesters are marching to defend a government which stops its people exercising that freedom.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2003/03/23/do2305.xml&sSheet=/opinion/2003/03/23/ixop.html
 
No no no, youre all wrong. NO BLOOD FOR OIL STOP BOMBING THE CIVILIANS

BUSH IS THE ANTI CHRIST

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The driver's most emphatic statement was: "All Iraqi people want this war." He seemed convinced that civilian casualties would be small; he had such enormous faith in the American war machine to follow through on its promises. Certainly more faith than any of us had. Perhaps the most crushing thing we learned was that most ordinary Iraqis thought Saddam Hussein had paid us to come to protest in Iraq. Although we explained that this was categorically not the case, I don't think he believed us. Later he asked me: "Really, how much did Saddam pay you to come?"
lol!

This is a great example of leftist 'bubble-bursting'. There have been many notable cases, such as the story of former Black Panther founder and 60's leftist radical Eldridge Cleaver.

While in prison for attempted murder, Cleaver immersed himself in the writings of various Marxist and revolutionary authors (Marx, Engels, Lenin, Trotsky, Debs, Bakunin, et al.), black American writers (Richard Wright, James Baldwin, W. E. B. Du Bois), and counter-cultural writers (Norman Mailer, Allen Ginsberg, William S. Burroughs), the usual heroes of your average leftist academic.

After being paroled from a stint in Folsom and San Quentin, Cleaver shot to the forefront of radical and revolutionary stardom, getting his start as a journalist for the Marxist rag 'Ramparts' in San Francisco. Cleaver helped found the Black Panthers, which used Cleaver's radical prison essays as the organization's founding philosophy.

In one essay, Cleaver described his rape of white women as "an insurrectionary act. It delighted me that I was defying and trampling upon the white man's law ... defiling his women." Hey, leftists really know how to party. With ideological pals like Stalin, Mao, and Cleaver, who needs Hitlers?

To avoid prison after running afoul of the law again, this time a shoot-out with the Oakland police, Cleaver fled to the countries where his utopian ideologies were all the rage; Cuba, Algeria, France, Soviet Union, Vietnam, and North Korea, often with much fan-fare and warm reception for his vitriolic anti-US views (sound familiar?).

Discovering a side of communism and socialism Cleaver apparently never read about in romanticized leftist propaganda, the radical Cleaver began an even more radical transformation.

He promptly returned to the US in 1975, and reborn by his new-found understanding of leftist ideologies, Cleaver denounced the Panthers to support capitalism, saying "I found the systems of dictatorships and communism to be absolutely unacceptable.''

So utterly appauled by his taste of communism, Cleaver - get this - became a REPUBLICAN and actually made an unsuccessful GOP bid to run for a Senate seat in California, telling interviewers during his congressional campaign, "I have taken an oath in my heart to oppose communism until the day I die." lol!

David Horowitz is another example out of a number of former radical lefties who in one way or another were smacked in the face with the stupidity of their own beliefs.
 
tcsenter, what are you impressed? What kind of inexperience do you have to have to be impressed by conversion. People constantly change their minds and change them back and change them again. To be impressed by this, or to assume that somebody who thought differently than you and now thinks alike is some measure of the truth of what you believe is the height of naiveté. Sorry. You should be more sophisticated than that.
 
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
tcsenter, what are you impressed? What kind of inexperience do you have to have to be impressed by conversion. People constantly change their minds and change them back and change them again. To be impressed by this, or to assume that somebody who thought differently than you and now thinks alike is some measure of the truth of what you believe is the height of naiveté. Sorry. You should be more sophisticated than that.

Or, perhaps, moonbeam, the author (much like you) had taken a position on the issue without actually knowing what he was talking about.

For you to mock peoples opinions changing once they are in Iraq and finally able to form an opinon based on knowledge rather than flowerchild slogans, shows me I was right to be very suspicious of you.
You formed an opinion without fact and based on what your 'bones, bones, bones, bones, bones' told you. You KNOW you are right. You have allowed for no other possibilities. And no amount of Iraqis personally begging you to help them escape a brutal regime would change your mind. In your mind these Iraqi's would be mistaken, confused, victims of propaganda or just unable to understand on the same level you do. You would smile at them, pat them on the head, tell them perhaps one day they can be as enlightened as you, and you'd send them back to living under the regime. For you are certain you hold the only just position.

Then again, I could be wrong. 🙂
 
Now now Frances, you mean well, but you are still just reacting. Here is a person who you would ridicule because he's clueless about Saddam being a monster whose people hate him and all of a sudden he becomes a hero because he suddenly gets it. Wow. You ridicule him and me with the flower child pretence. Nobody's a hippie here, and nobody suddenly got any deep knowledge. Geez. Fascist reasoning like that doesn't cut it with me. (Please look for the mirrored sarcasm here) I neither mocked anybody nor formed an opinion. I asked who would pay attention to somebody who said they were a fool merely asking how that would inspire confidence. I was simply trying to point out how silly it is to draw support from those who change their minds on things. Millions of people will see the war is wrong. Wow, I feel better already.

And please don't give me the sob story about the people living under Saddam. I've been wanting that guy out of the picture for probably for longer than you've had wood.

Now if you'll just admit you are wrong instead of just that you could be, I'll start a new thread about how Frances came over to my side. and everybody will submit.
 
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
tcsenter, what are you impressed? What kind of inexperience do you have to have to be impressed by conversion. People constantly change their minds and change them back and change them again. To be impressed by this, or to assume that somebody who thought differently than you and now thinks alike is some measure of the truth of what you believe is the height of naiveté. Sorry. You should be more sophisticated than that.

Wise people change their minds when faced with truth. Ignorant people are stubborn in their ways regardless. Moonie, which are you? 😉
 
Originally posted by: tcsenter
Who would listen to somebody whose first words are, 'I was a fool'.
Nothing beats the voice of experience.

Shouldn't you have a few dozens of stories like this, Moonie? 😀

That would mean confronting reality, something he is entirely incapable of doing.
 
Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
No no no, youre all wrong. NO BLOOD FOR OIL STOP BOMBING THE CIVILIANS

BUSH IS THE ANTI CHRIST

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Actually you are incorrect ThugsRook is the Anti-Christ...😉

But I get your point.
😀
 
Originally posted by: Fausto1
Originally posted by: yllus
The sentiment is true but this is 99% likely to be propaganda.

I'm inclined to agree.
Send the human shields 'home'
  • When Iraqi Republican Guards tried to move their pampered Western pawns in front of nuclear plants and electricity stations in preparation for impending war, the human shields buckled. Daniel Pepper, a 22-year-old Pennsylvania student, told the London Sunday Telegraph that he was appalled when Saddam's soldiers dispatched him to a yucky oil refinery.

    It was "sinister," Pepper sniveled, to expect him to "sleep 50 yards from stacks billowing with black smoke." Sinister? Before he and his abettors recklessly volunteered to run interference for Saddam, the miffed Mr. Pepper should have asked the Kurds about the Iraqi dictator's penchant for exposing innocent civilians to far more deadly fumes than secondhand oil refinery smoke. We need to "negotiate," young Pepper wheedled.
How many "human shields" named Daniel Pepper can there be?
 
Originally posted by: Ornery
Originally posted by: Fausto1
Originally posted by: yllus
The sentiment is true but this is 99% likely to be propaganda.

I'm inclined to agree.
Send the human shields 'home'
  • When Iraqi Republican Guards tried to move their pampered Western pawns in front of nuclear plants and electricity stations in preparation for impending war, the human shields buckled. Daniel Pepper, a 22-year-old Pennsylvania student, told the London Sunday Telegraph that he was appalled when Saddam's soldiers dispatched him to a yucky oil refinery.

    It was "sinister," Pepper sniveled, to expect him to "sleep 50 yards from stacks billowing with black smoke." Sinister? Before he and his abettors recklessly volunteered to run interference for Saddam, the miffed Mr. Pepper should have asked the Kurds about the Iraqi dictator's penchant for exposing innocent civilians to far more deadly fumes than secondhand oil refinery smoke. We need to "negotiate," young Pepper wheedled.
How many "human shields" named Daniel Pepper can there be?
Whether he's real or not isn't the point. A couple of human shields having a change of heart =/= total discreditation of the anti-war movement. That this letter was deemed worthy of mention on a "Conservative News (oxymoron?) and Information" site only underscores my point.

 
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