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i want to work for a small(er) company
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PricklyPete
Lifer
I can't agree more. The overall policies of smaller companies are so much better than all the crap you have to go through in larger corporations.
My experience has told me that good, strong policies are the only way to go in IT departments. Small companies waste far too much money and resources allowing employees to "own" their computers. From an IT perspective, I'm assuming the new larger company has more stringent policies (standard desktop configuration, etc), correct?
are you joking?
every employee here has local admin access to their machines. the only thing they cannot do is uninstall symantec, and remove their machine from the domain... their domain account is a local admin.
Yes, it causes problems... but you know what else? people get their work done. The poor people that work for this much larger company are so policied out that they can't install even a local printer.
IHateMyJob2004
Lifer
WOW. NO EMPLOYEE should have admin rights. NO EMPLOYEE should be able to install software. Only IT should for legal reasons. IT should be tracking liscenses, etc. The last thing a company needs is a pirated copy of office floating around.
To not have such policies is suicide. And people should be able; to install Doom 3? Why? What do peole need besides hte tools to do their work?
Phoenix86
Lifer
On a large scale what your describing is a NITEMARE. In a smaller environment where you can actually beat someone over the head with a stick for installing spyware it's OK. See the difference?
I have worked in environments with 30-10,000 people and see the benefits of each "method."
To think, I was starting to doubt that I was right on this issue. Thanks to you and Stark, I don't feel like so much of an IT Nazi compared to the OP. It's absolutely insane to permit employees to have local admin rights, no matter how you may loathe taking it away from them. Standard desktop configurations, strict policies and closely watched systems are the ONLY way to run an IT organization effectively. I know, because I ran an organization the size of yours by myself. I had 500+ desktops to support as well as 25 servers and I did it only through the use of good policies and common desktop setups.
It a huge publicly-owned company.. yes it makes sense.
In a company with 500 people or less, that is a tech-oriented company.. we have not had many problems.
The biggest issue is people trying to fix their own problems, and breaking things worse in the process..
anyhow. that's why I LIKED working for a smaller company... less IT policies to police on people
As a programmer, you can try to take away my admin rights over my dead body. In any case I'll have them right back anyways. The helpdesk usually hates it when I call 15 times a day to install other software required for my job. Everything is legit on my machine, but most of it is open source software.
Now a secretary or an analyst type position should be restricted and rightfully so. Their job function requires no other software. But I need Firefox, Opera, different JVM's, Eclipse, Websphere, etc... that are not a part of the corporate laptop image. If I can't do it, then having IT come over and install for me is fine, but they trust me enough to do it myself.
Now a secretary or an analyst type position should be restricted and rightfully so. Their job function requires no other software. But I need Firefox, Opera, different JVM's, Eclipse, Websphere, etc... that are not a part of the corporate laptop image. If I can't do it, then having IT come over and install for me is fine, but they trust me enough to do it myself.
dullard
Elite Member
Dullard isn't a trained IT person, but as the person who likes Anandtech, you know who will be getting the calls. I've been in a university for nearly 6 years as a grad student/post doctorate fellow. There are about 60 employees (professors, staff, graduate students, etc.) There is no real IT person, just a mechanic who is forced to do the IT work with no training. So I've helped out whenever needed.
My conclusion: both ways suck. When I came everyone had administrator rights and things were fubared. I'd get visitors all the time asking for help for XYZ that isn't working. Get in and the computer is infested with virii, spyware, etc. So I worked hard to get everyone into limited user accounts. The visits doubled. Nonstop people needing software installed, updated, removed, etc. The solution is of course to magically have enough money to give everyone decent computers and to magically be able to afford a real IT person. But in the real world, that just doesn't happen.
The only thing you can do in that situation is to put everyone on limited accounts but have adequate exceptions. The bright employees that know what they are doing and that need administrator rights get them. Everyone else doesn't need them and doesn't get them. For smallish companies universal policies are crap. It should be a case by case basis and a mixture of philosophies. Sure you might goof up on occasion and have a problem to solve. But that is better than spending 100% of your time doing mindless things that shouldn't need an IT person.
I've been at places where you need to call in a technician to change a light bulb. It may be 3 days for one to be available. Just hope it isn't in your office and hope it isn't your only light bulb making you useless for 3 days. Universal strict policies are extremely inefficient. But so are all zero-tollerance policies. However, those are better than no policies at all.
My conclusion: both ways suck. When I came everyone had administrator rights and things were fubared. I'd get visitors all the time asking for help for XYZ that isn't working. Get in and the computer is infested with virii, spyware, etc. So I worked hard to get everyone into limited user accounts. The visits doubled. Nonstop people needing software installed, updated, removed, etc. The solution is of course to magically have enough money to give everyone decent computers and to magically be able to afford a real IT person. But in the real world, that just doesn't happen.
The only thing you can do in that situation is to put everyone on limited accounts but have adequate exceptions. The bright employees that know what they are doing and that need administrator rights get them. Everyone else doesn't need them and doesn't get them. For smallish companies universal policies are crap. It should be a case by case basis and a mixture of philosophies. Sure you might goof up on occasion and have a problem to solve. But that is better than spending 100% of your time doing mindless things that shouldn't need an IT person.
I've been at places where you need to call in a technician to change a light bulb. It may be 3 days for one to be available. Just hope it isn't in your office and hope it isn't your only light bulb making you useless for 3 days. Universal strict policies are extremely inefficient. But so are all zero-tollerance policies. However, those are better than no policies at all.
Phoenix86
Lifer
BS. I worked at a company with 10k employees. The company was a software developer. The devs did not have, nor did they need admin access. There *are* ways around it that do not inhibit work. There are also a thousand ways to set it up so it does inhibit work.
Of course they wanted it, but none could justify it since everyone else was able to do their jobs.
"The biggest issue is people trying to fix their own problems, and breaking things worse in the process."
Which can't be done without admin access... Users != techs. I don't care how "high tech" the company is.
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