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I wanna buy a Voodoo 4 or 5, and got some Q's...

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jx2150

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what games use glide? are any new games going to? and if i keep my agp vid card, can i get a voodoo 4 or 5 PCI card and take advantage of both simultaneously? or will i have to switch back and forth in the BIOS or something like that when i want to use a different card(PCI or AGP)?
-thanks... ahhh.
 
There will be no new games that will implement Glide. You should however be able to use both VGA cards at once(dual monitor).
 
That's right, Glide is no longer supported. Voodoo cards were a lot faster when using Glide as opposed to DirectX/OpenGL.. The last one to support Glide was Unreal, I think. Quake2 supported it too.

There is no reason to buy a 3dfx videocard anymore. A GeForce2 Pro or a Ti will beat it in anything.
 
Just to point out something, while GLide support is very unusual in current games and there are no modern games that only" support GLide there are actually still some new games and games due to come out that implement GLide support along with OpenGL or DirectX.
EA Sports (Electronic Arts) still supports GLide in all of their yearly sports titles, and supposedly intend to continue to support for another two years at least.

All the same, unless your mostly playing older titles or are playing a title like Diablo 2 or Unreal that has poor support for anything but GLide then your best off looking towards nVidia or ATi and upgrading your primary card.

If you were to get a separate PCI V5 then you would not be able to use it for 3D by default, your primary graphics card would take care of 3D, and your V5 could cover 2D on a second monitor in dual monitor setup.

If your running Win2k or something you could easily setup different hardware profiles wherein you could switch between which card was set as your default on bootup and hence take full advantage of it's 3D abilities.
 
I play mostly UT and CS. Do they support glide? i dont have them installed right now so i can't check em. and, you are saying that if i had say a geforce 2 agp and got a V5 PCI, i could easily switch between the two in win2k? what about 98? XP? thanks, ph yea what about Quake 3?
 
Save yourself a lot of trouble and keep away from 3dfx. Getting them to work on the new OS'es is hell, and very few new games, if any, will be supporting glide. And glide isn't all thats its cracked up to be anyway. I can run UT on my Geforce3 faster than i could on my Voodoo5 and it looked better too using the high-res textures off the second CD.
Oh yeah, no quake games have ever supported Glide. Quake1/2 used an opengl minidriver, and 3 used opengl only
 
What?! UT is WAY better on 3dfx, even on a Voodoo3, than on my GeForce3! Besides, UltraHLE requires it (Glide Wrappers suck ass).
All old engine games (ie, EA sports, Unreal, Unreal Tournament, Quake2, etc) support Glide. Glide was just a stripped down version of OpenGL & though Quake2 was better in OGL mode even on a 3dfx card, Unreal & Unreal Tournament aren't!!!
 
Quake2 supported it too.

Nope, Quake2 was OpenGL-only.

UT is WAY better on 3dfx, even on a Voodoo3, than on my GeForce3

Have you tried running the game in 32 bit mode using the large texures and trilinear filtering? It'll easily blow a Voodoo3 away.
 
No Quake game ever supported Glide, only OpenGL or a minigl. Same with Half-Life/CS. UT looks MUCH better on my GF3 than it did on my Voodoo3.
 
MiniGL IS Glide. You used to have to install Glide seperately (Until 3dfx added full OpenGL support), & it would search out your GL Quake & Quake2 directories & copy it's own MiniGL driver to the folder. MiniGL & Glide go hand-in-hand as the same thing for a different purpose.
 
Quake - Quake 2 - Quake 3 were designed to run OpenGL
UT- Deus Ex were designed to run Glide

OpenGL games look and run better on GeForce cards. Glide games look and run better on 3dfx cards. UT looks much better on a 3dfx card, especially if you use the 22-bit settings and 2x FSAA. The high-res textures do look better, but they are only good for maps that came with the game and there are a ton of new maps (700 - CTF maps alone) that don't use the high-res textures. If you play alot of UT then 3dfx rules period. The real question is do you want to buy an outdated video card? If you only have, $100 the Voodoo 5 is still a good card. But knowing what games are coming out (i.e. Unreal 2 and Doom III) I would high suggest finding another $100 and getting a Geforce 3 or ATI Radeon 8500. If you look around you can find these cards for around $225. It's pretty tough suggesting a video card that is over a 1 year and half old. Good luck.
 
UT looks best in opengl (using loki's opengl executable) and with the second disc's hi-rez textures on EVERY MAP I HAVE PLAYED. i used to own a voodoo3, and my geforce3 in opengl is a much better experience (except that i can't see my own muzzle flashes in opengl, oh well). www.3dspotlight.com has all the instructions on the UT FAQ page.

--jacob
 
I think Quake2 supported Glide in a sense that Voodoo1/2/Banshee uses MiniGL instead of OpenGL. For those who arent familiar, MiniGL translates OpenGL to Glide because the early Voodoos didnt support OGL. Glide support still exist today, as recent as Deus Ex, which was possibly the best ever first person adventure ever created, there will be other titles that utilize the Unreal Tournament 3D engine, and they all should support Glide. Older games, like Need For Speed 2SE~4, will look superior in Glide, it doesnt matter if you use GeForce3, it's not going to look as good as Glide because those old games dont support any of the new features on GF3. A Voodoo5 is still fairly adequate for most games today, with FSAA, the image quality shouldnt look too bad, and the Voodoos have a better record in 2D than their nVidia counterparts.
 
Sorry, the V5 was a nice card in its day but it is time to move on! There are no more drivers available and getting it to work on 2000 or XP is impossible (I tried it on a XP machine yeterday and ended up reinstalling Win98). So save yourself the stress and get as prior suggested a Radeon or GF2/3!
 
Hm... pardon me, but the V4/5s work perfectly fine under Win2k, the Win2k drivers have been revised at least 3 times before 3dfx's demise.
 
thanks LXi I was thinking the Voodoo 5500pci in my system with win2k was working as well 🙂 p4 + voodoo a match made in heaven 🙂
 
MiniGL IS Glide.

No it isn't. MiniGL is OpenGL with only the features implemented that are needed for certain games.
 
Stop the senseless arguing.

If you have any Voodoo-based card, then you should use Glide for any games possible. If you can't, MiniGL can let you play OpenGL games, and you can play any Direct3D game. The latest games that support glide, that I can remember, are Unreal Tournament and Deus Ex. Both are excellent games...

If you are planning on buying a V5, good for you! Good luck, I'm sure it'll work excellently. 3dfx always made good drivers for their cards. They were always stable, they were always reliable, they were always fast.

If you have extra cash though, a newer video card will almost definitely be better. But regardless of that, you should be careful of your purchase. Always make sure you buy something that is well supported, or you WILL be dissapointed, not a question about that. Some cards have excellent technical specifications and lots of potential, but get bashed by people and just never really reach their potential, because the ones writing drivers are lazy or don't write drivers well enough. For example, my friend's Stealth III S540 that I'm using. Great potential to be a good card. It's absolutely utterly horrible in almost every way imaginable. If my Banshee was AGP I'd choose it over the S540 in a second. Yet the S540 should technically blow the Banshee out of the water many times over.

You should be ok with most nVidia cards these days though, since they seem to have became one of the top-dogs. Good luck, in any case.

-RSI
 
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