I tried...

[borisvodofsky]

Trying to convince friends/family to avoid refined carbs, is equivalent to telling a smoker not to smoke...

I went into the low carb thing for VANITY. I wanted to look good.

Shit, and it worked.. only after 5-6 months I had a six-pack and reduced acne breakouts to ZERO.

Of all the things the internet has ever told me, this was the ONE ridiculously easy thing that actually panned out...



Here's how the conversation goes...

Friend/Family: meh' meh'' meh''' complain complain

Me: well you know I just tried this no rice/pasta thing, and it has worked out very well for me

F/F: meh........ internet fad, placebo, "I LOVE RICE" or "I LOVE PASTA"

Me: but, All the research......

F/F: let me stop you right there, science isn't everything

Me: Shows them six pack..

F/F: very nice, I should hook you up with _______, she'd love you..
(I'm assuming they meant she'd love the six pack)

Me: The point is I am the evidence, count 'em
(sounds pompous but, it's just fucking true)

F/F: It doesn't work for everyone, I doubt it will work for the rest of us, your genes are just better... lucky..

(for the family members, i usually go with 'but we're family you stupid fuck', minus stupid fuck; for friends I skip that.)

Me: Try and find 1 breakout on my face go ahead, look

F/F: Hey would you like to get something to eat, I'm getting hungry... in the mood for sub-way....

Me: FUCk....


And I can't type this part,, but when I explain this to the person in front of me, I do it in the most sincere and respectful way,, the only way to be more sincere and respectful would be to throw in some tears.


Isn't proving it by example the clear cut way, no BS? Witness rule?-for the math folks..

In the end,, I did all the talk,, I commit to the self-sacrifice (no rice),, and yet still no one listens,,

This is probably what turns a good person evil, because if he can't help them, he'll destroy them instead.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Be happy it works for you. Don't force your lifestyle/diet on others. If they ask how you did it, tell them. Otherwise MYOB. Anything else makes you look like an annoying zealot.

 

[borisvodofsky]

Be happy it works for you. Don't force your lifestyle/diet on others. If they ask how you did it, tell them. Otherwise MYOB. Anything else makes you look like an annoying zealot.

Yea,, I'm reasoning to become an evil zealot instead, and start on how I eat lots of rice, and nap right after.

contra-position motherfuckerss....

 

[yhelothar]

It's a pride thing, don't take it seriously. Next time they get all bubbly from their poor diet choices, they'll think back at what you did and will probably mirror it.

 

[Kirby]

Isn't proving it by example the clear cut way, no BS?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_by_example

 

[borisvodofsky]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_by_example

You need to read "When valid"

 

[borisvodofsky]

It's a pride thing, don't take it seriously. Next time they get all bubbly from their poor diet choices, they'll think back at what you did and will probably mirror it.

Pride in what? eating rice is pride? ,,, sorry, you don't anger me... They do..

 

[Kirby]

You need to read "When valid"

I read it. Can you explain how your singular premise of you losing weight leads to an existential conclusion of everyone losing weight?

 

[rockyct]

Anytime you start eliminating types of food from your diet, you are probably going to be reducing you caloric intake and thus you will loose weight. It's like if someone stopped eating after 8 PM and blamed his weight lose on the idea that the body can't process food after dark.

 

[PottedMeat]

did this person ask for methods to 'look better'? if not then shut up.

 

[rcpratt]

You have weird threads.

 

[tatteredpotato]

I read it. Can you explain how your singular premise of you losing weight leads to an existential conclusion of everyone losing weight?

Yea... I mean if you're point is that SOMEONE can lose weight by no carbs then yes, proof by example is valid.

And I'm not saying that your friends and family wouldn't be healthier for the change, but that doesn't mean the will or should do it. Some people are happy with their body/diet the way it is and if they don't want to change MYOFB. It's not your problem anyways.

 

[Fingolfin269]

You actually aren't proving shit.

 

[edro]

It's really hard to eat on-the-go, without consuming refines carbs.

Everything is refined carbs because they are cheap, easy to produce, do not spoil and are very tasty.

A plain grilled chicken sandwich, from every restaurant, has a carb/calorie dense bun.



Also, lemme guess, you were skinny to begin with weren't you?
You were probably stick thin, skinny fat.
Then you went on a carb free diet and got a six pack and now think you're king fitness/nutrition.

 

[Barfo]

Your rant is fail.

 

[mrCide]

Reducing caloric intake is what makes you lose weight. Sure, eating better foods is more healthy, but you think somehow cutting certain carbs are magically forming muscles (abs) and magically making you thinner?

 

[gimmewhitecastles]

situps, stomach crunches give you a sixpack. reducing carbs just makes you leaner.

 

[MrX8503]

I don't think you can correlate refined carbs with you getting abs. Its more about you losing weight and your abs that couldn't be seen under fat before just revealed themselves.

I've learned that pressing a personal diet on to others does not work. I mainly just give advice and I let them choose of whether or not to follow it.

 

[tatteredpotato]

My diet is like 90% carbs (grad school).

 

[zsdersw]

Too many people equate losing weight with improving your health. Obviously if you're overweight, losing some weight is healthy, but in the long run what matters more is how you lost the weight.

Diets are stupid... all of them: South Beach, Atkins, low-this and reduced-that. The best bet to lose weight is to eat less, no matter what it is you're eating. It's also healthy to not cut parts of the food pyramid out of your diet and eat more of other parts.

Atkins' biggest sin was telling people to put down the glass of orange juice and, instead, eat a bun-less cheeseburger. Guess what... you need both the nutrients from orange juice and the protein and nutrients from beef. Just eat less of the high-calorie and high-sugar things.

But nooo.... no one wants to do that. The simplest things are almost always the right things to do. Rather than embarking on some grand reconfiguration of the foods you eat, try eating less of them if you're trying to lose weight. It's simple, it costs less, and it works.

 

[BarkingGhostar]

Trying to convince friends/family to avoid refined carbs, is equivalent to telling a smoker not to smoke...

I went into the low carb thing for VANITY. I wanted to look good.

Shit, and it worked.. only after 5-6 months I had a six-pack and reduced acne breakouts to ZERO.

Of all the things the internet has ever told me, this was the ONE ridiculously easy thing that actually panned out...

Isn't proving it by example the clear cut way, no BS? Witness rule?-for the math folks..

In the end,, I did all the talk,, I commit to the self-sacrifice (no rice),, and yet still no one listens,,

This is probably what turns a good person evil, because if he can't help them, he'll destroy them instead.

Actually, not everyone is created in the same manner. Just because you did it and got results, doesn't mean someone doing the same thing will get the same results, nor the same level of satisfaction based on less results. You are only one example. Period.

Secondly, are we to assume you did nothing else along with this change in diet? You conducted no exercise routine? And if you are then how are you separating the results the exercise produces from that of the diet?

 

[MJinZ]

trying to convince friends/family to avoid refined carbs, is equivalent to telling a smoker not to smoke...

I went into the low carb thing for vanity. I wanted to look good.

Shit, and it worked.. Only after 5-6 months i had a six-pack and reduced acne breakouts to zero.

Of all the things the internet has ever told me, this was the one ridiculously easy thing that actually panned out...



Here's how the conversation goes...

Friend/family: Meh' meh'' meh''' complain complain

me: Well you know i just tried this no rice/pasta thing, and it has worked out very well for me

f/f: Meh........ Internet fad, placebo, "i love rice" or "i love pasta"

me: But, all the research......

F/f: Let me stop you right there, science isn't everything

me: Shows them six pack..

F/f: Very nice, i should hook you up with _______, she'd love you..
(i'm assuming they meant she'd love the six pack)

me: The point is i am the evidence, count 'em
(sounds pompous but, it's just fucking true)

f/f: It doesn't work for everyone, i doubt it will work for the rest of us, your genes are just better... Lucky..

(for the family members, i usually go with 'but we're family you stupid fuck', minus stupid fuck; for friends i skip that.)

me: Try and find 1 breakout on my face go ahead, look

f/f: Hey would you like to get something to eat, i'm getting hungry... In the mood for sub-way....

Me: Fuck....


and i can't type this part,, but when i explain this to the person in front of me, i do it in the most sincere and respectful way,, the only way to be more sincere and respectful would be to throw in some tears.


isn't proving it by example the clear cut way, no bs? Witness rule?-for the math folks..

In the end,, i did all the talk,, i commit to the self-sacrifice (no rice),, and yet still no one listens,,

this is probably what turns a good person evil, because if he can't help them, he'll destroy them instead.

wtf???

 

[MJinZ]

Actually, not everyone is created in the same manner. Just because you did it and got results, doesn't mean someone doing the same thing will get the same results, nor the same level of satisfaction based on less results. You are only one example. Period.

Secondly, are we to assume you did nothing else along with this change in diet? You conducted no exercise routine? And if you are then how are you separating the results the exercise produces from that of the diet?

Actually, we are. He probably just cut his calories like crazy and like most short skinny Asians that can't gain weight if they ate 10K calories a day, he just became skinnier.

 

[insect9]

You sound like one of those miracle diet pill commercials.

"Do you look like THIS? *picture of a fat guy* With our pill (and proper diet and exercise) you COULD look like THIS! *picture of a bodybuilder*

Cutting out carbs doesn't magically develop 6 pack abs. You sound very annoying to be around.

 

[destrekor]

Reducing caloric intake is what makes you lose weight. Sure, eating better foods is more healthy, but you think somehow cutting certain carbs are magically forming muscles (abs) and magically making you thinner?

Wrong.

You can reduce carb intake, and replace those calories with protein or fat, and lose weight.

Contrary to most of the bullshit these days, fat is actually not bad at all. It's actually really, really good. And fucking delicious too.

Of course, if you want to enjoy fatty foods, you really, really... and I stress this... cannot consume too much carbs. Doesn't matter the type of carbohydrate... if you eat a lot of fat, all those carbs are going to be used first, and when the body has had it's fill... boom, fat gets absorbed like crazy.

And there's a lot of good fats - look at the Nutrition labels, if you see something has 20g of fat, but then only 2g of Sat Fat is listed, and 0g of Trans Fat... you might wonder, what is the other 18g of fat? Well, that's all unsaturated fatty acids... the really good, really tasty fat. The type of fat your body really, really wants - and hell, some fatty acids will actually play a huge role in lowing LDL and raising HDL, helping keep cholesterol in-serum just right. Some will also help with total blood pressure.

Carbs really are the enemy - our body is geared to be able to handle them, but no in regular fashion - they are a great energy source, something to tide you over until you could get some tasty dead animal. Something to keep you alive until you could get something better, or to give you some extra energy to keep you one step ahead of something that thinks you look equally as tasty as any other primate.

Too high of carb intake can end of forcing too much fat into adipose tissue, and also cause insulin spikes and a decrease in average alertness and productivity... as once the insulin declines and the brain has had its fill of glucose (ignoring the muscular glucose uptake, which is great when called for), the CNS won't perform at peak.


All this "all you're doing is decreasing calorie intake" talk is really just inane.
You can easily consume more calories, but with less carbs, and still have better nutrition and a better physique. Depends on the quality of those calories, and in short, the typical foods that are high in both fat and protein have more quality calories than a high-carb meal.

I personally have been looking to lower my carb intake, and have been doing it slowly but surely... I make it a goal to keep on the lookout for tasty snacks and meals that have a lot of unsaturated fatty acids.


And no, this isn't a fad diet or anything of the sort... and it most certainly isn't something that "works for some people, but not everybody." Rather, it's simply pure nutritional science at work - it's the act of gearing your daily diet to match up exactly to the biological needs of the human body.