I thought this segment of the Nov 29 addition of Laurence O'Donnell's show Raised critical questions about the media...........

[Moonbeam]

Personally I find Trump to be one of the greatest threats the US faces and the way he is covered by most media sources to be totally brain dead and sick. Worth your time to watch I hope.

 

[HomerJS]

Years ago I equated Trump to the Golen Calf. It didn't end well for the calf creators and worshipers.

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My detesting of Trump mirrors LODs. It was around the time of birtherism. The media were so worried about being called biased they sacrificed the truth about Trump. Imagine the size of the mushroom cloud if Biden suggested shutting down Fox News. Imagine an even bigger mushroom cloud if Barack Obama back in 2008 mocked John McCain for being a POW?

Corrupt, immoral, crass, idiocracy has been normalized. Something many people including myself has been warning about since the days of birtherism.

This monologue is a must watch.

 

[Linux23]

Yep, I've watched this segment earlier and I completely agree with Lawrence. The media has no idea on how to report on Trump, and when they do do it, they screw up monumentaly.

It pisses me off when they do that fucking thing where they let Trump spew lie after lie after lie without checking him. Instead of cutting him off and asking the same question again and again until he answers truthfully instead they let that POS escape questioning, so they can move on to the next question, and his next lie.

Then they report on every little thing Biden does. If Biden bats his eyelids too many times or if he yawns or stutters on a word, then Biden's too old. His cognition is questioned. He's too weak and frail after falling from his bicycle. All of this while that orange Manatee continues to think Obama is still in office and that we are about to be in WWII.

Like my dude Frank Figluzsi said, once Republicans get in charge, they are planning to remain in charge, indefinitely. Yep, America is in big trouble, but we truly get the government we deserve and all of the consequences that come along with that.

 

[Greenman]

Personally I find Trump to be one of the greatest threats the US faces and the way he is covered by most media sources to be totally brain dead and sick. Worth your time to watch I hope.

In an us verses them system, Trump, or something just like him, is almost inevitable. Positive feed back systems always oscillate out of control.

 

[HomerJS]

In an us verses them system, Trump, or something just like him, is almost inevitable. Positive feed back systems always oscillate out of control.

What did you think of LOD's content? Is he right?

 

[Moonbeam]

Yep, I've watched this segment earlier and I completely agree with Lawrence. The media has no idea on how to report on Trump, and when they do do it, they screw up monumentaly.

It pisses me off when they do that fucking thing where they let Trump spew lie after lie after lie without checking him. Instead of cutting him off and asking the same question again and again until he answers truthfully instead they let that POS escape questioning, so they can move on to the next question, and his next lie.

Then they report on every little thing Biden does. If Biden bats his eyelids too many times or if he yawns or stutters on a word, then Biden's too old. His cognition is questioned. He's too weak and frail after falling from his bicycle. All of this while that orange Manatee continues to think Obama is still in office and that we are about to be in WWII.

Like my dude Frank Figluzsi said, once Republicans get in charge, they are planning to remain in charge, indefinitely. Yep, America is in big trouble, but we truly get the government we deserve and all of the consequences that come along with that.

Much as I feel we get the government we deserve, I wonder if that's not just programming. I grew up being told that personal irresponsibility led to consequences and that if I exercised little I would suffer from it. But, perhaps painting with a broader brush, how can the American people deserve someone like Trump when the level of information and content fed to them by the media is as pitiful as it is. Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that the media deserves a Trump presidency, one where their role as the Forth Branch is eliminated? And then, aren't we back to square one. How can be blame the press when it's just made up of more people who just don't get what the consequences of their lack of truthful reporting will bring. Do they have any idea themselves what they are doing.

I felt a need to share what I watched O'Donnell say so maybe it would reach a few more ears. I think his words should be a part of everyday political messaging along with what the press is not saying and how suicidal and dangerous that is. I think also there are reasons that does not happen and that finding those out is perhaps key to any real change we will see.

 

[hal2kilo]

O'Donnell is my favorite Trump hater. He pulls no punches for him or any of his political ilk. I think he was sued by Trump at some point and Trump lost so there's history.

 

[MrSquished]

Personally I find Trump to be one of the greatest threats the US faces and the way he is covered by most media sources to be totally brain dead and sick. Worth your time to watch I hope.

I mean this is true, it's like a lot of the media portray another one of the greatest threats we face here every day, guns.

 

[HomerJS]

Trumpers need to remind themselves of this. They created the Orange Jesus and the result is preordained.

 

[Hans Gruber]

O'Donnell is my favorite Trump hater. He pulls no punches for him or any of his political ilk. I think he was sued by Trump at some point and Trump lost so there's history.

You got all that from that clip? I got that he was reading the teleprompter like all tv journalists.

 

[Moonbeam]

You got all that from that clip? I got that he was reading the teleprompter like all tv journalists.

That's it?

 

[HomerJS]

You got all that from that clip? I got that he was reading the teleprompter like all tv journalists.

and you got nothing from it?

 

[ivwshane]

O'Donnell is my favorite Trump hater. He pulls no punches for him or any of his political ilk. I think he was sued by Trump at some point and Trump lost so there's history.

I used to like O’Donnell but his show is just him shitting on trump like 90% of the time. It’s just tiring and quite honestly I would love if Trump just went away and his name was never mentioned again and his voice was never heard again.

I think most of msnbc now handles trump correctly, most of the shows rarely show him or give him any air time, they’ll report on what he said but it’s not often and when they do they only dedicate a few minutes, max.


I will say this about Trump, from the time of his announcement to run for president (remember the escalator) to the end of his term, he knew how to play the media. I remember one time when all the news networks were waiting on some important announcement from Trump and when he finally came out it turns out he was trying to hawk something (was it steaks? One of his properties?). I had to give him credit for that one, he basically got a free commercial out of it.

 

[Moonbeam]

I mean this is true, it's like a lot of the media portray another one of the greatest threats we face here every day, guns.

O'Donnell is profoundly anti-gun. I love him anyway. I would go for a law that only allowed enlightened people to own guns but how would we determine who is and who isn't. Don't look at me. I'm not telling. And I'm not going to disarm either. To me they aren't tools just beautiful machines. I buy based on looks not. No polymer hand guns for me. AR, different story as wood not common there. Rifles, give me French Walnut premium grade. I know, you don't get it.

 

[Moonbeam]

I used to like O’Donnell but his show is just him shitting on trump like 90% of the time. It’s just tiring and quite honestly I would love if Trump just went away and his name was never mentioned again and his voice was never heard again.

I think most of msnbc now handles trump correctly, most of the shows rarely show him or give him any air time, they’ll report on what he said but it’s not often and when they do they only dedicate a few minutes, max.


I will say this about Trump, from the time of his announcement to run for president (remember the escalator) to the end of his term, he knew how to play the media. I remember one time when all the news networks were waiting on some important announcement from Trump and when he finally came out it turns out he was trying to hawk something (was it steaks? One of his properties?). I had to give him credit for that one, he basically got a free commercial out of it.

My bet is that the reason Trump knows how to use the media is because it is full of people with the same inner needs that come with self loathing, which, as I have said, is universal. People lack fundamental morality and self understanding.making them easy prey for psychopaths.

I used to have the same lofty condescending attitude toward O’Donnell as I think you are expressing here, the sense that he expresses contemptuous moral superiority that calls into question whether it exceeds my own, but lately I have gotten over it. I no longer do what I suspect you might be doing, turning inner emotional discomfort into a charge he is boring. I have come to regard being bored a personal defect. I find it distasteful to see myself as someone who can be bored. I would have to feel important to experience that. That’s how I see myself when sensing I’m bored. No I am feeling something I want to avoid.

Your mileage may vary.

 

[HomerJS]

I used to like O’Donnell but his show is just him shitting on trump like 90% of the time. It’s just tiring and quite honestly I would love if Trump just went away and his name was never mentioned again and his voice was never heard again.

I think most of msnbc now handles trump correctly, most of the shows rarely show him or give him any air time, they’ll report on what he said but it’s not often and when they do they only dedicate a few minutes, max.


I will say this about Trump, from the time of his announcement to run for president (remember the escalator) to the end of his term, he knew how to play the media. I remember one time when all the news networks were waiting on some important announcement from Trump and when he finally came out it turns out he was trying to hawk something (was it steaks? One of his properties?). I had to give him credit for that one, he basically got a free commercial out of it.

I understand but seeing what Trump has done and will do to the country it’s a necessary tiring.

I want him to just go away too. Straight to prison and no $200 for passing “GO”

 

[ivwshane]

I understand but seeing what Trump has done and will do to the country it’s a necessary tiring.

I want him to just go away too. Straight to prison and no $200 for passing “GO”

I don’t need to know trumps latest rantings to know Trump is a danger to this country. I’d rather have airtime given to those who actually have ideas and plans to make this country better. When he’s taking up all the airtime nothing is left for those who actually care about the country and if we are trying to move forward, we need to hear from them more than from Trump.

 

[hal2kilo]

That's it?

Must be too subtle.

 

[Moonbeam]

I don’t need to know trumps latest rantings to know Trump is a danger to this country. I’d rather have airtime given to those who actually have ideas and plans to make this country better. When he’s taking up all the airtime nothing is left for those who actually care about the country and if we are trying to move forward, we need to hear from them more than from Trump.

He's taking up all the air time because the media gives it to him. That the media is doing this is a threat to the nation. They enable a fascist psychopath. O'Donnell has devoted time to warning us and the media that this is what they are doing because they will not report a lie as a lie. Nothing should be reported about Trump than that he wants do destroy democracy and destroy the free press. There will be no thank you from him for the media that ignored who he is. The media is, in my opinion, fucking deaf dumb and blind and their job is not to sleep but to awaken the public to what is really happening. One big reason, in my opinion, that isn't happening is because hearing it bores people to death. It's just more negative shit. I know, I know, don't make a wave. you are already up to your chin in it.

 

[Moonbeam]

Must be too subtle.

Hehe, I guess. He sounded bitter to me. I have no problem with that, or should I say I don't like my own bitterness so I'm unconsciously not going to like his so being aware of that a part of me, the part with some understanding of that fact welcomes his bitterness with the proviso that he be willing to look at what he is really feeling. I am pretty sure he is angry at the news because it has failed to deliver what he thinks it should and he's expressing that anger without looking at what he can do about changing things. In order to work for change you probably need to have some hope that change can happen and it's not uncommon in my opinion, given my thingi about self hate, for me conclude there is a tremendous amount of hopelessness out there. It is, again in my opinion, a source of tremendous world wide anger.

I see that anger in O'Donnell being channeled as a warning for the world to wake up in this particular area regarding Trump and the media. I think he sees what many do not.

 

[woolfe9998]

I agree with O'Donnell's comments here generally. It's rather disturbing that Trump has shifted the Overton window so much that we are desensitized to it. Trump had already threatened to shut down media corporations before, so what does it matter that he now does it again? Why even bother to report on it?

There's another bias at work here he didn't discuss, which is the media is still trying to convince people of their neutrality. It's a fool's errand. Conservatives don't watch them and never will. They should just be reporting the truth and stop worrying about who's calling them biased for doing it.