Bitek
Lifer
- Aug 2, 2001
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It's amazing what one can overlook when sufficiently motivated.
It's amazing what one can overlook when sufficiently motivated.
1/10.Ignoring Trump, by those voting for him again:
Ignore the guilt by association with known child sex-trafficker Jeffery Epstein.
Ignore the lying on hot mike and revealed by Bob Woodward in Rage about the pandemic and likes to play it down.
Ignore the fact he paid less to the USA than China on income taxes.
Ignore the fact he tried to use the US government to defend himself in law suits against him, not his presidency.
Ignore the fact he continually and openly lies about the state of COVID-19 and its impact on Americans
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Ignore the fact that those voting for Trump again are guilty by association, IMO, to be cohort pedophiles, liars, and illegal business operators. You Know Who You Are! And you cannot blame ignorance on your actions. Everything above is a lie to you.
PS I wouldn't trust any of you with my enemy's child in a sleepover.
Okay, haven said all thathow are you folks all doing this day?
Moved from OT.
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I had to knock off points for the lack of originality, I've seen all of it on bumper stickers. You also lost points for the pedo declaration.
Not understanding the US tax structure, and deciding unilaterally that Trump underpaid also lost you a point.
I'm disappointed, this was a low effort rehash of popular meme's, I think you could have done much better.
Because when I feel my race is superior and blacks are inferior, I don't mind being led by a black person.
That sincerely makes zero sense.
Could it be that maybe Obama was a very charismatic speaker and had an overall hopeful messaging that resonated well with most Americans?
Instead of being an old hag who calls people deplorables - or an old man who makes gaffs by the thousands that everyone jokes will die before his 4 years are up?
Overlooking Trump's many personality disorders in order to support his stay in the White House is an amazing thing to observe. Question being, would his supporters feel the same way about Trump if he were a Democrat?
Of course not. His many failings and personality "quirks" would then be a no brainer disqualifier of the highest order in their minds, never mind that Trump wouldn't be caught dead wearing a tan suit.
Facts matter to some but only when it's convenient to either ignore or rant on about depending on what political battle flag that person is waving over their head. Others who stubbornly stick with the facts and the truths get pushed aside as whiners and losers that can't see that the real value in a person is how they are able to tweak people's emotions in a way that short circuits logical reasoning abilities and replace it with overly-heightened raw emotional responses that can then be exploited for personal gain, exactly as Trump did to "win" his presidency.
Hey, if that's what the majority say we need in a president, who am I to worry and fret about it? Oh but wait, there's the electoral college, gerrymandering, "Voters Rights Laws", acts of suppressing/disenfranchising voters who "can't see straight" and all other manner of cheating that the Repub Party has become notorious for that hasn't anything to do with the qualifications of a certain candidate.
Well that's just another "thing" that we're not supposed to do anything about, isn't it?
Of course not. His many failings and personality "quirks" would then be a no brainer disqualifier of the highest order in their minds, never mind that Trump wouldn't be caught dead wearing a tan suit.
Facts matter to some but only when it's convenient to either ignore or rant on about depending on what political battle flag that person is waving over their head. Others who stubbornly stick with the facts and the truths get pushed aside as whiners and losers that can't see that the real value in a person is how they are able to tweak people's emotions in a way that short circuits logical reasoning abilities and replace it with overly-heightened raw emotional responses that can then be exploited for personal gain, exactly as Trump did to "win" his presidency.
Hey, if that's what the majority say we need in a president, who am I to worry and fret about it? Oh but wait, there's the electoral college, gerrymandering, "Voters Rights Laws", acts of suppressing/disenfranchising voters who "can't see straight" and all other manner of cheating that the Repub Party has become notorious for that hasn't anything to do with the qualifications of a certain candidate.
Well that's just another "thing" that we're not supposed to do anything about, isn't it?
Hayabusa Rider
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Why should the OP know America? We don't know America, or at least turn our heads and pretend we don't
My advice for other nations is to treat us for now like we did the USSR. Biden is not the solution, he's the beginning of a decade's long process to undo the savaging of our nation by Trump and his supporters. Remember that Trumpers are almost half of this nation and can turn on you in an instant.
We should not be trusted. We should be forced to work for your trust. Build up your military, not bloat it with weapons that would make Russia and the US think twice and yes we are not far from Putin.
I will not see a recovery in my lifetime. The possibility of another would-be tyrant arises every four years. Remember that and act accordingly.
My advice for other nations is to treat us for now like we did the USSR. Biden is not the solution, he's the beginning of a decade's long process to undo the savaging of our nation by Trump and his supporters. Remember that Trumpers are almost half of this nation and can turn on you in an instant.
We should not be trusted. We should be forced to work for your trust. Build up your military, not bloat it with weapons that would make Russia and the US think twice and yes we are not far from Putin.
I will not see a recovery in my lifetime. The possibility of another would-be tyrant arises every four years. Remember that and act accordingly.
pauldun170
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There is an entire industry around shaping narratives and public discourse to embrace idiots like Trump. We just witness several idiots win office (qanon idiots, racists, Top of the class evangelical "gonna use the laws to get mah way...just gotta hir good people to help me spread the gospel" jackasses.)
The GOP has the nations largest media outlet, an entire pipeline of judges from a society whose sole purpose is to put the legal system back in the hands at those angry about the civil rights act and taking power away from those take that whole equal rights thing seriously. They have a billion dollar industry.
It's a behemoth.
They lost control of Trump and they have opened the flood gates to those who have no place in government. They have empowered jackasses in communities around the US that it is ok to attack minorites and women when it suits them. It's ok shout down anyone who veers from whatever fucked up narrative you spew. It's ok to threaten anyone with murder if you disagree with them.
Conservative media is going to continue to feed this because otherwise they have no purpose to exist.
Need that job security
The GOP has the nations largest media outlet, an entire pipeline of judges from a society whose sole purpose is to put the legal system back in the hands at those angry about the civil rights act and taking power away from those take that whole equal rights thing seriously. They have a billion dollar industry.
It's a behemoth.
They lost control of Trump and they have opened the flood gates to those who have no place in government. They have empowered jackasses in communities around the US that it is ok to attack minorites and women when it suits them. It's ok shout down anyone who veers from whatever fucked up narrative you spew. It's ok to threaten anyone with murder if you disagree with them.
Conservative media is going to continue to feed this because otherwise they have no purpose to exist.
Need that job security
- Nov 20, 2009
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Great, now you are associating me with the likes of the P&N crowd! Please, just close the thread instead. That way I can take a shower and get the P&N filth off of me.Ignoring Trump, by those voting for him again:
Ignore the guilt by association with known child sex-trafficker Jeffery Epstein.
Ignore the lying on hot mike and revealed by Bob Woodward in Rage about the pandemic and likes to play it down.
Ignore the fact he paid less to the USA than China on income taxes.
Ignore the fact he tried to use the US government to defend himself in law suits against him, not his presidency.
Ignore the fact he continually and openly lies about the state of COVID-19 and its impact on Americans
...
...
...
Ignore the fact that those voting for Trump again are guilty by association, IMO, to be cohort pedophiles, liars, and illegal business operators. You Know Who You Are! And you cannot blame ignorance on your actions. Everything above is a lie to you.
PS I wouldn't trust any of you with my enemy's child in a sleepover.
Okay, haven said all that
Moved from OT.
admin allisolm
IronWing
No Lifer
- Jul 20, 2001
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I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member. - Groucho MarxGreat, now you are associating me with the likes of the P&N crowd! Please, just close the thread instead. That way I can take a shower and get the P&N filth off of me.
Commodus
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- Oct 9, 2004
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I see a number of problems that still led to a lot of people still voting for Trump -- this list could go on a long time, so I'll focus on a few things.
Yes, to a degree, racism is part of it. It's overt white supremacy that's the issue for some (though hardcore white supremacists love Trump) — it's the "casual" racism that's all too pervasive in society. That willingness to buy into stereotypes, to see immigrants primarily as job thieves, to believe lies that BLM is inherently violent, to make racist jokes and whine about "political correctness" when they're asked to stop. They may think they're not racist because they don't wear a Klan hood, but it's bubbling under the surface and enabled by someone like Trump.
There's also the tendency to see politics as a game. That is, it's more for their side to win than to get the government that's best for the country. You mainly see it from the Trump camp these days, but it's a pervasive problem. It even leads to some people acting like it's another party's "turn" to lead, as if they're kids sharing a toy.
I'd add that a lot of people often want to "smash the system" without much thought to what comes next. Trump gets support because people like the idea of destroying the political status quo, but don't seem to realize that they needed people who would actually build a better replacement. Replacing politics as usual with a corrupt oligarch is not fixing things.
Yes, to a degree, racism is part of it. It's overt white supremacy that's the issue for some (though hardcore white supremacists love Trump) — it's the "casual" racism that's all too pervasive in society. That willingness to buy into stereotypes, to see immigrants primarily as job thieves, to believe lies that BLM is inherently violent, to make racist jokes and whine about "political correctness" when they're asked to stop. They may think they're not racist because they don't wear a Klan hood, but it's bubbling under the surface and enabled by someone like Trump.
There's also the tendency to see politics as a game. That is, it's more for their side to win than to get the government that's best for the country. You mainly see it from the Trump camp these days, but it's a pervasive problem. It even leads to some people acting like it's another party's "turn" to lead, as if they're kids sharing a toy.
I'd add that a lot of people often want to "smash the system" without much thought to what comes next. Trump gets support because people like the idea of destroying the political status quo, but don't seem to realize that they needed people who would actually build a better replacement. Replacing politics as usual with a corrupt oligarch is not fixing things.
dank69
Lifer
- Oct 6, 2009
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It's like you sincerely believe there aren't degrees of racism, or isn't subconscious racism, or anything in between "all races are equal" and "all other races are vastly inferior to my own."
dank69
Lifer
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And now you understand why we have Trump. "Politics are too messy so I'll just ignore it."Great, now you are associating me with the likes of the P&N crowd! Please, just close the thread instead. That way I can take a shower and get the P&N filth off of me.
nOOky
Platinum Member
- Aug 17, 2004
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Some American voters vote based on fear, and others vote based on their innate moral beliefs of right and wrong. That is why the gun lobby encourages, and single issue voters vote Republican without fail. The R candidate could ass fuck goats and eat their own human babies as long as they promise to obey the NRA and not limit gun ownership.
The same can be said for single issue abortion voters. As long as that baby mentioned above gets out of the mother's womb alive and kicking they feel like they avoided a horrible sin and certain damnation by encouraging it even to the detriment of the mother's own health. Every time a morning after pill is not taken another republican is granted access to heaven.
The same can be said for single issue abortion voters. As long as that baby mentioned above gets out of the mother's womb alive and kicking they feel like they avoided a horrible sin and certain damnation by encouraging it even to the detriment of the mother's own health. Every time a morning after pill is not taken another republican is granted access to heaven.
Having voted for Obama doesnt mean
a) you arent racist
b) give you the moral credentials to vote for a misogynist racist failure of a human being real estate trust fund kid
Its why the Trump movement has spent 4 years trying to redefine racism in an attempt to cover up their own moral failure and prejudices, aka All Lives matter vs Black Lives Matter.
a) you arent racist
b) give you the moral credentials to vote for a misogynist racist failure of a human being real estate trust fund kid
Its why the Trump movement has spent 4 years trying to redefine racism in an attempt to cover up their own moral failure and prejudices, aka All Lives matter vs Black Lives Matter.
I'd give you a 'like', except I don't know that I agree that 'most don't know' that. I would have said it was a common sentiment.
In fact, seems as if within each era there is generally a consensus between the parties. Over here as well - for a long time there was a post-war consensus on the mixed-economy and government as strategic economic actor, which both parties shared. Then Thatcher transformed the Labour Party as much as she did the country. Over there, Nixon's policies would be denounced as 'socialism' by much of the right today, while the Clintons were neo-liberal domestically and hawkish internationally.
feralkid
Lifer
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It sure is.
AP story this morning: https://apnews.com/article/counties-worst-virus-surges-voted-trump-d671a483534024b5486715da6edb6ebf
Torn Mind
Lifer
- Nov 25, 2012
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Trump is the one guy who can make everyone in the room a fanatic. Pro-fanatic and anti-fanatics. He knows how to stoke the flames of everyone while not believing in a single word he himself says. (Yes, the same guy who is discounting COVID had previously made it a point to create a public persona even before the presidency that he was a germophobe).
His style often makes his apparent opponent gain sympathy and support while they don't have to lift a finger to fix the problems in their locale. One such example is the Elijah Cummings exchange. To the audiences sympathetic to the party, they all came out looking better than prior to the exchange, but the matters of running Baltimore City is run by its mayor and city council, not Elijah Cummings, whose district includes Columbia, which is a fine place of suburbia. None of them had to do a single bit of real work to look better, just well-done PR.
People forget has was part of the New York rich guys scene. His actual loyalties would still lie there, and being the "CoVID bad guy" conveniently allows Cuomo and De Blasio to slip away regarding their incompetence in handling the matter.
It helps politicians that politics is often the substitute for religion for many people and that people have the maturity and understanding of an elementary grade schooler regarding government.
Joe Biden is a vanilla talking head, and thus Washington will return to the business-as-usual of quietly serving the lobbyists and corporate masters(including the foreign power of China) for likely the next two decades. The anti-statist desgin of the government will further be dismantled, as Trump did nothing to break the image that the President is some freaking Jesus figure rather than a limited individual who can be clamped down without a trifecta, and hence allowed the beyond stupid rhetoric that voting for Biden would "save this country" to hold water.
It takes an high amount of hubris to infer moral deficiencies from an either/or choice that does not preserve the nuances behind the choice. A writing section is not on a ballot.
His style often makes his apparent opponent gain sympathy and support while they don't have to lift a finger to fix the problems in their locale. One such example is the Elijah Cummings exchange. To the audiences sympathetic to the party, they all came out looking better than prior to the exchange, but the matters of running Baltimore City is run by its mayor and city council, not Elijah Cummings, whose district includes Columbia, which is a fine place of suburbia. None of them had to do a single bit of real work to look better, just well-done PR.
People forget has was part of the New York rich guys scene. His actual loyalties would still lie there, and being the "CoVID bad guy" conveniently allows Cuomo and De Blasio to slip away regarding their incompetence in handling the matter.
It helps politicians that politics is often the substitute for religion for many people and that people have the maturity and understanding of an elementary grade schooler regarding government.
Joe Biden is a vanilla talking head, and thus Washington will return to the business-as-usual of quietly serving the lobbyists and corporate masters(including the foreign power of China) for likely the next two decades. The anti-statist desgin of the government will further be dismantled, as Trump did nothing to break the image that the President is some freaking Jesus figure rather than a limited individual who can be clamped down without a trifecta, and hence allowed the beyond stupid rhetoric that voting for Biden would "save this country" to hold water.
It takes an high amount of hubris to infer moral deficiencies from an either/or choice that does not preserve the nuances behind the choice. A writing section is not on a ballot.
MtnMan
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Zorba
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