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I Think These Pies not Cooked Enough Yet for Me

Virgorising

Diamond Member
Slowly opening myself to getting an SSD. It's an organic journey, U gotta feel and honor the melodic progression, and we are each unique in that.

So, as usual, I've been delving to own more data.

I know below is from 2011....but I took a look and felt, nope, these spiffy pies no way cooked enough for me to eat yet. Not ready to relinquish my current PIES.....which, BY DESIGN have the platters INSIDE THEM. :biggrin:

http://www.datarecoveryunion.com/which-solid-state-hard-drive-should-i-buy/
 
the only spinning pies i own now are all inside a dedicated NAS and SAN.

The Only difference i have between a NAS and SAN is that my SAN is on a dedicated RAID controller used as a intermediary when i need super fast data transfer over network.
My SAN is also setup on dual gigabit Ethernet with teaming enabled on a managed switch.

The NAS is my full hardcore backup system which backups the SAN.


All my desktops are now on SSD's.
Either a 120gig for OS only or greater.... and using the SAN as a map'd network drive.
I get roughly cap network speed at 122mb/s on the SAN so its about as fast as a spinning hard drive if not faster.

I dont think i can ever put a spinning platter on my desktop/laptop systems...
The speed difference is literally night vs day.
 
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Well....YOU are open and shut quantum leaps ahead of anything I know about in this, forget, in your experience.

Can you pls explain dual ethernet?????

Pls know, in service of perspective, most humans I know personally, and I know many, are still using SATA.......the pies with the internal, spinning plates.

My evolved take, is, most people in this community do not represent the average puter owner!

For me, your setup sounds like something from NASA.😉
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Edit: K.....I delved and now get dual ethernet just involves a PCI card to afford such. What I would like, given I almost never leave my wi fi on, is for my coaxial broadband modem from RCN to have dual ethernet ports, and for them to up some amp to bring the same good speed via both. Instead, I mean, of having to pay for a second modem. Or having to move the cable from one system to another, l which is I what I now do.
 
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To maybe help clear up some confusion before it hits, most block level storage can be divided up like so:
  • Internal - a drive inside the computer, directly attached to some controller or bus.
  • External.
    • DAS. Direct Attached Storage. A USB drive, eSATA-connected drive or RAID enxlosure, and an entire midtower-size case of hard drives in a rack, all qualify, though they aren't generally called that. They're attached to a controller, and used as block devices, but not internal. In the case of server storage, it's generally due to needing more room for many drives, though that's getting less common (the most common reason for more drives was more IOPS, but SSDs typically aren't expensive compared to a 2U or 4U rack of hot-swap SAS HDDs, if you needed IOPS but not space).
    • SAN. Storage Area Network. The drive, or array, are still used as block devices, with either SCSI or ATA, typically, but over a network. More NICs can be used to increase bandwidth and peak IOPS. Typically, this is done when there's no other better option. Many servers can boot straight from a SAN, and the SAN is typically a COTS server itself, or many of them, offering lots of features for administration, like snapshots and backup, RAID-like redundancy at machine and rack levels (IE, whole sets of computers can go down without causing downtime), and more...for a price.
Now, you'd think DAS would be coupled with NAS, in the vocabulary, but I guess NAS had already been taken. NAS just means file server. You don't care about the block level, or even file system level, but the file level.

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Now, on to more directly on-topic matters:
What I would like, given I almost never leave my wi fi on, is for my coaxial broadband modem from RCN to have dual ethernet ports, and for them to up some amp to bring the same good speed via both. Instead, I mean, of having to pay for a second modem. Or having to move the cable from one system to another, l which is I what I now do.
They're called routers. They include a firewall and a switch, in a little box, and nowadays also include wifi as a standard feature. The firewall part gives you a LAN (home network) separate from the WAN (the internet). The switch let's you hook up several devices (including more switches 🙂) to your local network, all sharing the same internet connection.

If you do not use a router now, get one, and set it up. A firewall, at its most basic, blocks incoming connections from the internet. If you were to check a firewall's logs: D: It's a basic security measure anyone should have, even with just one PC, IMO. Some programs may need incoming ports opened to work correctly, but as long as whatever program or device you're using is sufficiently documented, that's generally not much of a problem, though may induce a bit of a learning curve for you, if you run up against it (it's also less common today than ever, with home routers being very common).

My preference as of late has been the Netgear WNR3500L (without flashing it), typically available at Staples and Best Buy. In a pinch, a WNR2000 is alright, too, I just can't see good reason to not get GbE LAN ports, today, for a device that will likely last 3+ years (longer, if you don't do much with wifi). If you're in the U.S. (RCN looks like it's in NJ, so I'll go with yes), and ordering online, check out the Buffalo WZR-300HP, which a reliable unit, as well.
 
To maybe help clear up some confusion before it hits, most block level storage can be divided up like so:
  • Internal - a drive inside the computer, directly attached to some controller or bus.
  • External.
    • DAS. Direct Attached Storage. A USB drive, eSATA-connected drive or RAID enxlosure, and an entire midtower-size case of hard drives in a rack, all qualify, though they aren't generally called that. They're attached to a controller, and used as block devices, but not internal. In the case of server storage, it's generally due to needing more room for many drives, though that's getting less common (the most common reason for more drives was more IOPS, but SSDs typically aren't expensive compared to a 2U or 4U rack of hot-swap SAS HDDs, if you needed IOPS but not space).
    • SAN. Storage Area Network. The drive, or array, are still used as block devices, with either SCSI or ATA, typically, but over a network. More NICs can be used to increase bandwidth and peak IOPS. Typically, this is done when there's no other better option. Many servers can boot straight from a SAN, and the SAN is typically a COTS server itself, or many of them, offering lots of features for administration, like snapshots and backup, RAID-like redundancy at machine and rack levels (IE, whole sets of computers can go down without causing downtime), and more...for a price.
Now, you'd think DAS would be coupled with NAS, in the vocabulary, but I guess NAS had already been taken. NAS just means file server. You don't care about the block level, or even file system level, but the file level.

--

Now, on to more directly on-topic matters:
They're called routers. They include a firewall and a switch, in a little box, and nowadays also include wifi as a standard feature. The firewall part gives you a LAN (home network) separate from the WAN (the internet). The switch let's you hook up several devices (including more switches 🙂) to your local network, all sharing the same internet connection.

If you do not use a router now, get one, and set it up. A firewall, at its most basic, blocks incoming connections from the internet. If you were to check a firewall's logs: D: It's a basic security measure anyone should have, even with just one PC, IMO. Some programs may need incoming ports opened to work correctly, but as long as whatever program or device you're using is sufficiently documented, that's generally not much of a problem, though may induce a bit of a learning curve for you, if you run up against it (it's also less common today than ever, with home routers being very common).

My preference as of late has been the Netgear WNR3500L (without flashing it), typically available at Staples and Best Buy. In a pinch, a WNR2000 is alright, too, I just can't see good reason to not get GbE LAN ports, today, for a device that will likely last 3+ years (longer, if you don't do much with wifi). If you're in the U.S. (RCN looks like it's in NJ, so I'll go with yes), and ordering online, check out the Buffalo WZR-300HP, which a reliable unit, as well.

Hey! Responded to this last nite or early this AM, aaaaaand, when I hit submit, site told me it was doing maintenance......so now, will do it all over.

Dense technical knowledge of storage above!🙂

I think we must never forget, that what a given individual uses their computers for is foundational; we are each unique and, I think, each must work to learn and own as many available options within that foundation as we can.

I chose internal backup from my second desktop on…..when I began buying my beloved Optiplexes, and, given I only choose the big, ATX tower configuration, empty bays are hardly a problem (Nor is excellent engineering & thermal flow.)

After setting up my primary drive, I clone it to my backup drive using XXclone, a unique app which does not employ imaging, and, the pro version, affords incremental backups. XX also affords dual boot, of course.
This has always worked perfectly for me, and, on one or two occasions, it’s also saved my butt when I messed something up in whichever drive I was booted into…all I did was do a reverse clone. And, I put the backup drive to sleep using amazing little German app I came upon way back: Revosleep. My backup drive is asleep right now as I type.

Not crazy about online backup, and I have no need to integrate my devices via some cloud technology.

When I do go solid state, I plan to retain the above strategy, which, again, works perfectly for me.

Now, of course I know about routers! I just forgot about the WIRED ones, prolly because I’ve been sleeping almost never. I have very decent Netgear wireless router, but I only use it to download ebooks.

I live in Manhattan….in a pre war building whose construction nobody could afford to replicate (it’s also maintained like the inside of a Patek), and yet I know more than a couple of people who’ve had their wireless hacked here.
I have always chosen software firewalls. From the time I was using freewares, i.e., Comodo, thru my current choice: Norton IS (to me, the best suite ever, well, the current build, at least) And this too has proven the right choice for me.

Bet if I looked on eBay, I could find a decent wired router for no money! And, given I have fast coaxial broadband (RCN’s hardwiring setup is amazing, from the lobby to the PH, unlike Time Warner’s which we also have in the other service stairwell), if I used just, say, two ports, maybe the signal would not be too compromised? Would it be? Compromised, I mean.
 
If you turn off wifi on a wireless router, it becomes *drumroll* a wired router. Use however many ports you have devices for.
 
If you turn off wifi on a wireless router, it becomes *drumroll* a wired router. Use however many ports you have devices for.

I LUV THIS DRUMMER and the drumroll!!!!😀 (People underestimate percussionists!) EVERYTHING...should have both a melody and a percussion track!!!!!!

I had NO CLUE!!!

But.....I now see tons of fab little no money wired routers on eBay.....and I am going to get one.....and leave the Netgear and its NGgenius where I park them when not in use.

I will show U the one I plan to get.....hold on i need to go there...but still little worried about compromised bandwidth with two systems hooked up. Should I be?

k, like this one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Linksys-NR0...005&prg=1088&rk=4&rkt=5&sd=200966302200&#rwid
 
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OK wait......now that I know this adorable option (given in both my professional endeavors, I educate others in infinite ways, sooooo good I do not do what is pernicious: try to make anyone FEEL BAD IN ANY WAY for not knowing things until they learn them)..... I guess, there is no reason I should not use my Netgear router below without wi fi.....just as a wired router. (Yay.)

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That looks like the WNR2000, or maybe a G predecessor, so you should be fine, unless you want faster than 10MBps transfers (100Mbps = 12.5MBps, but there's some overhead). Just go in and turn the wifi off (if it's one that supports N, you'll probably have both N and G/B to turn off), and then route your cables.
 
That looks like the WNR2000, or maybe a G predecessor, so you should be fine, unless you want faster than 10MBps transfers (100Mbps = 12.5MBps, but there's some overhead). Just go in and turn the wifi off (if it's one that supports N, you'll probably have both N and G/B to turn off), and then route your cables.


OMG, U so smart!:wub: That is exact Netgear model! Got it on ebay used, of course.:sneaky:

I guess I have to hook it up as a wired unit and see if my transfer speeds are less than what I am used to.

THANK YOU!!!!! (I am just recovering from a sudden, unexpected core crisis.....without you guys no way could I have gotten it fixed!):wub:
 
I guess I have to hook it up as a wired unit and see if my transfer speeds are less than what I am used to.
Internet will be fine. The main limit would be transferring files between PCs, which could be 50MBps or more, with all GbE ports in the path.
 
For me, your setup sounds like something from NASA.😉
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Edit: K.....I delved and now get dual ethernet just involves a PCI card to afford such. What I would like, given I almost never leave my wi fi on, is for my coaxial broadband modem from RCN to have dual ethernet ports, and for them to up some amp to bring the same good speed via both. Instead, I mean, of having to pay for a second modem. Or having to move the cable from one system to another, l which is I what I now do.

ahahahaha.... i have friends who set up data centers across the US.
He personally helped me setup mine.

Yeah its a bit overkill, however im a speedoholic. I love speed.
This way i get IO speed on any system connected on my network using a 1GB lan line.

If u trying to get into SSD's the main point i want to get across is learn to backup. and have a solid backup system in place.
 
ahahahaha.... i have friends who set up data centers across the US.
He personally helped me setup mine.

Yeah its a bit overkill, however im a speedoholic. I love speed.
This way i get IO speed on any system connected on my network using a 1GB lan line.

If u trying to get into SSD's the main point i want to get across is learn to backup. and have a solid backup system in place.

No surprises above, but still interesting!!!

And I do have perfect for me backup strategy in my desktops. and you bet, nothing is more important.
 
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