I think the Kerry supporters in here should learn a lesson from their man

[seawolf21]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I don't see anybody not conceding a Bush Victory. You mean they should all of a sudden approve of the Dub because he won by a slight majority? It won't happen just like it didn't happen with the Republicans when Clinton won be even a higher percentage.

He did not win a higher %.

In both of Clinton's terms, he won by a larger margin than Bush has won this election. That is the big stat that matters, everything else changes in importance from election to election.

A margin of victory is no more important then getting more than half of the nation on your side. If you think margin of victory is more important you are mistaken.

I don't think either is a big deal, but I also think you are the one who is mistaken about the releative importance of the various stats.

Example 1:
Let's say there are 7 candidates for President, Candidate A gets 40% of the popular vote, the other 6 candidates get 10% each. Total votes are 10 million.

Example 2:
Let's just have 2 candidates, Candidate Z gets 51% of the popular vote, Candidate X gets 49%. Total votes are 100 million.

Candidate Z has a higher percentage of the popular vote than Candidate A, and Candidate Z has more total votes than Candidate A. But clearly A is far better than any alternatives, 4 times as many people voted for him than any other individual candidate and almost half the country thinks X is better than Z.

It just seems like margin of victory is MOST important in determining how much better the voters think the winner is than any of his competitors. Does this make sense to anyone else, or have I been hitting the crack pipe again?

Couldn't agree more. Margin is more important.

Same in business. Which market would you rather operate in if your company has 51% of the market? One where your closest competitor has 49% market share or one where the next closest competitor has only has 30%?

 

[poopaskoopa]

Originally posted by: GoodDad

What do you guys say? Can we go back to the way of thinking we all had back in late 2001 and early 2002? Anyone else remember Republicans and Democrats being united, passing bills because they were good for America? I think I even remember them standing side by side Singing "God Bless America".

Republicans and democrats weren't united then. Democrats were republican's bitches because, at the time, opposing these bills that are "good for America"(I assume you're talking about Patriot Act) meant republicans will tee off on you by calling you unpatriotic/terrorist supporter on TV. If you don't agree with several amendments in the Constitution, I can see why you'd support that madness.

 

[GoingUp]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
I voted for bush and I really don't like Kerry, but I applaud the way that he handled the situation in ohio. He didn't want to drag a country through the court system in something that he would have lost anyways.

The democratic supporters need to follow his lead, accept the loss and move on. Bush won convincingly.

I'm ready to move on, I agree Bush won quite obviously. But the scientist inside me is bothered by the popular vote landslide some Bush supporters seem to feel he has won. It's not because I won't accept Bush has one, the inaccuracy of it is all that bugs me. Bush supporters should be happy that he won, not trying to invent some kind of huge sweep of the popular vote, because relative to Kerry and past elections, the huge victory sweep just isn't there.

He won by 3.5 million votes, got the most votes of any candidate ever, and was the first president since 1988 to win over 50% of the popular vote. I would call it a big win.

 

[arsbanned]

Originally posted by: GoodDad
its called humility. kerry sounds like he is going to accept defeat and take it like a man. It would be nice to see you guys do the same.

All throughout the whole campaign there was terrible mud slinging, which I guess is fair since both parties were doing it. But now the election is over and we need to work on uniting our great country, and not seperating it.

What do you guys say? Can we go back to the way of thinking we all had back in late 2001 and early 2002? Anyone else remember Republicans and Democrats being united, passing bills because they were good for America? I think I even remember them standing side by side Singing "God Bless America".

We're gonna continue pressing this stupid mf until the day he leaves office. Get over it.

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: GoodDad
its called humility. kerry sounds like he is going to accept defeat and take it like a man. It would be nice to see you guys do the same.

All throughout the whole campaign there was terrible mud slinging, which I guess is fair since both parties were doing it. But now the election is over and we need to work on uniting our great country, and not seperating it.

What do you guys say? Can we go back to the way of thinking we all had back in late 2001 and early 2002? Anyone else remember Republicans and Democrats being united, passing bills because they were good for America? I think I even remember them standing side by side Singing "God Bless America".

I agree there should be civility here. Although I believe it needs to come from both sides. Bush won so we see the Pro-Bush Circle Jerk, if Kerry had won, we'd be seeing a Pro-Kerry Circle Jerk. Same as it ever was, same as it ever was, same as it ever was....