Discussion I think the days of the United States being one country are numbered..

[Indus]

People are openly wanting the country to divorce.
The networks/ fake media keeps fanning the flames.
More people want violent than those that want peace..
We can't agree on anything now.. not even needs for roads and bridges..
But here is the most striking reason of all..



Maybe its better to just let Papa Putin win than to try and hold people together when they don't want to be held together.

And even though people might think we are two countries.. I really think we won't split into 2 countries but several..

Discuss

 

[SmCaudata]

Thing is, it's the red states that want out. Outside of Texas, they wouldn't do well without the Blue states. Texas would go it alone, making the rest of the south a mess. I think that MN, WI, MI would stick together. The NE would stick together, as would the West. CO, NC, NM and AZ could go with the west.

Frankly, I don't give two shits about the rest. They've recieved more aid from the federal government than they've paid in for years, yet they still act like they aren't "heard" and that Washington doesn't care about them. I say let em go it alone.

Blue counties control over 70% of the GDP. With money goes military

To be clear, I don't want any of this to happen, but I'm fairly certain it is the red states that would secede and it wouldn't go well for them.

 

[ivwshane]

Is it me or does that chart show that Americans trust government more when the government lies to them?

 

[SmCaudata]

Is it me or does that chart show that Americans trust government more when the government lies to them?

Seems that things went up with Clinton in office and tanked with Bush.

People mistrust government when they personally are affected. They apparently don't like wars. They also don't like feeling pinched for money. The Republican form of Socialism for the wealthy has meant that wages haven't kept up with inflation or all the other costs. A median salary is no longer good enough to buy a home. The GOP has successfully brainwashed their base into believing its the fault of the democrats and the liberal voters are angry that we don't have universal health care, good wages, and green energy. So now, everyone is pissed.

Basically the current elected GOP officials are just riding this wave to power and money so they can relocate to some tax haven when the country dies.

 

[BoomerD]

Unfortunately, the divides are too deep even within individual states, counties, and cities. How could a "dee-vorce" reconcile dems in red states...or repubs in blue? Gonna force them to move?

 

[ivwshane]

Seems that things went up with Clinton in office and tanked with Bush.

People mistrust government when they personally are affected. They apparently don't like wars. They also don't like feeling pinched for money. The Republican form of Socialism for the wealthy has meant that wages haven't kept up with inflation or all the other costs. A median salary is no longer good enough to buy a home. The GOP has successfully brainwashed their base into believing its the fault of the democrats and the liberal voters are angry that we don't have universal health care, good wages, and green energy. So now, everyone is pissed.

Basically the current elected GOP officials are just riding this wave to power and money so they can relocate to some tax haven when the country dies.

Are you sure about that? In the late nineties republicans were performing a witch hunt on the sitting president about a personal matter and trust went up. It continued going up and peaked at the height of the bush administrations lying to the American public about Iraq and wmd’s.

We also see that in the early eighties as the Reagan administration was lying to the American people about many topics trust also went up.
We can see trust drop right around the time bush sr had to start getting real with American people about raising taxes.

 

[SmCaudata]

Are you sure about that? In the late nineties republicans were performing a witch hunt on the sitting president about a personal matter and trust went up. It continued going up and peaked at the height of the bush administrations lying to the American public about Iraq and wmd’s.

We also see that in the early eighties as the Reagan administration was lying to the American people about many topics trust also went up.
We can see trust drop right around the time bush sr had to start getting real with American people about raising taxes.

Bush took over 2001, we see a huge hit there. Remember Clinton was reelected after impeachment and it still climbed. It's all about how people feel. "am I better off today..."

 

[iRONic]

Blue counties control over 70% of the GDP. With money goes military

Maybe not. Oklatucky Nat'l Guard says "No" to vax mandate.

(CNN)The Pentagon said it would respond to Oklahoma's Republican governor after the state's National Guard indicated it would thwart a Defense Department mandate that troops be vaccinated against Covid-19.

 

[Dave_5k]

Well, the first of the State’s national guards (Oklahoma) has now officially rebelled against the federal command authority, over vaccinations, and other states expected to follow. Governor replaced guard commander that was following federal directives with a lapdog that follows governor instead.

Establishing precedent to ignore directives from SecDef.
Edit: heh duplicate of immediately prior post

 

[gothuevos]

Balkanization is the future, most likely.

Wonder if OK is the first domino? Maybe nothing major will come of it, but at a minimum it encourages openly defying the federal government.

Not sustainable. Maybe Bannon was right "we are winning this thing."

Gotta admit, there is something uniquely American about a guy like Donald Trump being the one to bring it all crashing down.

 

[Zorba]

Unfortunately, the divides are too deep even within individual states, counties, and cities. How could a "dee-vorce" reconcile dems in red states...or repubs in blue? Gonna force them to move?

This. The Reddest states are only 65% red, and the bluest states are only 65% blue. A constitutional conference is needed to completely rework the constitution into a functional democracy, though.

 

[Zorba]

Maybe not. Oklatucky Nat'l Guard says "No" to vax mandate.

(CNN)The Pentagon said it would respond to Oklahoma's Republican governor after the state's National Guard indicated it would thwart a Defense Department mandate that troops be vaccinated against Covid-19.

Stitt is such a giving idiot. The feds should either federalize them or cut all federal funds, equipment, recruitment, benefits, and training.

 

[Indus]

Balkanization is the future, most likely.

Wonder if OK is the first domino? Maybe nothing major will come of it, but at a minimum it encourages openly defying the federal government.

Not sustainable. Maybe Bannon was right "we are winning this thing."

Gotta admit, there is something uniquely American about a guy like Donald Trump being the one to bring it all crashing down.

Yep I agree.. Balkanization is the future but hopefully we can do it without a second civil war or uncivil war.

 

[TheVrolok]

Yep I agree.. Balkanization is the future but hopefully we can do it without a second civil war or uncivil war.

Unfortunately, it's highly likely one of the new states would be highly militant with little sense of moral bearing so I'm not sure how well that would play out.

 

[gothuevos]

Unfortunately, it's highly likely one of the new states would be highly militant with little sense of moral bearing so I'm not sure how well that would play out.

Non-aggression pacts.

 

[TheVrolok]

Non-aggression pacts.

Remember that this group has no respect for law and only believes in its institution or interpretation in a way that serves its purposes on an emotional level. I don't see them respecting non aggression pacts moreso than they respect, say the current US constitution.

 

[himkhan]

The fracture will occur when the vaccinated leave their jobs and refuse to return until the unvaccinated are sent packing.

There has been more than just idol chat at a couple of the hospitals I see patients at regarding walking out. The 1% of an over 50,000+ chain staff tried to hold the hospital hostage and pickted outside for days. The hospital gave the vast majority of them religious exemptions so they wouldn't have to deal with them.

However, they sit in our common areas without masks on. Many of them have eventually come down with the virus. Several vaccinated staff have been affected by them unfortunately. They have shitty attitudes and are shit human beings considering the career paths and oaths they took.

No I think the fracture will finally occur when we all walk out and tell the Hospitals and the unvaccinated the can go fuck themselves. Open up your own tents staffed with unvaccinated RN's and Have A Nice Day We are getting so fucking tired of this pandemic and all the waves and surges we keep getting because of selfish cork suckers.

It is coming.

 

[cytg111]

You have to understand one fundamental fact.

The average American Joe has vastly more in common with the average Chinese Wong than either of them has with their local "betters".

Now you're not talking about China, I am using China to put a coat of painting on the edge scenarios. If you believe the above to be true, then how does that translate in inter American states?

The only thing dividing you is your betters.
So logic dictates that it is your betters that is dividing you.

So until you figure out to negate this phenomenon in the first place its a cycle that is just gonna continue.

 

[Indus]

You have to understand one fundamental fact.

The average American Joe has vastly more in common with the average Chinese Wong than either of them has with their local "betters".

Now you're not talking about China, I am using China to put a coat of painting on the edge scenarios. If you believe the above to be true, then how does that translate in inter American states?

The only thing dividing you is your betters.
So logic dictates that it is your betters that is dividing you.

So until you figure out to negate this phenomenon in the first place its a cycle that is just gonna continue.

What gives you the illusion that it can be stopped?

Choice? Choice is an illusion, created between those with power, and those without.

 

[HomerJS]

Red states thrive on ignorance and they are happiest being lied to.

 

[cytg111]

What gives you the illusion that it can be stopped?

Choice? Choice is an illusion, created between those with power, and those without.

*Anybody* can be stopped. Pitchfork time. Chant "You shall not divide us:" .. But of course, first you have to shine light on the problem and have a vehicle for the message.

 

[senseamp]

Always were, IMO, because of the Connecticut compromise.

 

[gothuevos]

The fracture will occur when the vaccinated leave their jobs and refuse to return until the unvaccinated are sent packing.

There has been more than just idol chat at a couple of the hospitals I see patients at regarding walking out. The 1% of an over 50,000+ chain staff tried to hold the hospital hostage and pickted outside for days. The hospital gave the vast majority of them religious exemptions so they wouldn't have to deal with them.

However, they sit in our common areas without masks on. Many of them have eventually come down with the virus. Several vaccinated staff have been affected by them unfortunately. They have shitty attitudes and are shit human beings considering the career paths and oaths they took.

No I think the fracture will finally occur when we all walk out and tell the Hospitals and the unvaccinated the can go fuck themselves. Open up your own tents staffed with unvaccinated RN's and Have A Nice Day We are getting so fucking tired of this pandemic and all the waves and surges we keep getting because of selfish cork suckers.

It is coming.

This will never happen, as you said it yourself, due to the oath taken. It would be hypocritical to do so.

 

[gothuevos]

Remember that this group has no respect for law and only believes in its institution or interpretation in a way that serves its purposes on an emotional level. I don't see them respecting non aggression pacts moreso than they respect, say the current US constitution.

Maybe, maybe not.

It's taking a chance but you'd agree it's better than living under the boot of an authoritarian regime where no respect for the law is guaranteed.

 

[MrSquished]

Let's split the joint up. It's either we all live under authoritarianism when the GQP party takes over again, or we save some states from that fate and they can keep evolving. This is the only way. Republican base is too far gone.