I think SHE Needs the Spanking...

[Isla]

C'mon... Dust Off the Paddles!

As someone who can speak from the trenches...

MOST of these kids misbehave BECAUSE they come from families where they get the *&%$ beaten out of them by parents who have no parenting skills whatsoever. Who is going to teach them how to resolve problems WITHOUT violence?

That said, I was paddled in the 7th grade by a simpleton dean for the crime of having called a boy an a$$hole. I called him that because he was sexually harassing me... I was very developed for my age and was the subject of much rude behavior. He was not penalized at all... I was told that my response was 'unlady-like".

You know what I learned from that? That the people in charge are not necessarily the ones who are fair or intelligent.

<---thinks corporal punishment should ONLY be given by the parents/guardians

 

[LunarRay]

I don't believe 'hitting' kids is necessary... Never had to resort to that with my kids... now having been raising grand kids for their life spans, I still don't see the need. Perhaps it is because the 'christian' upbringing my wife has brought to their lives. Or they are just 'good' kids and have all the right genes... Heck, they never hit each other either nor have they gotten into peer fights, to my knowledge or memory.
If a school official 'HIT' one of them for any reason... well.. I'd be very, very upset.. even if the 'state' gave the school that right.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

I went to one of those schools too, but never got spanked. Hell of my friends did though and for more petty reasons than calling someone a name. All I know if I'd never admit my kid to a school where anybody there would lay a hand on her for ANY reason. I don't even want grandparents disciplining baby HOP. I was never spanked growing up and I was always the best behaved kid.

I think spanking your child is the last result of a dumb or lazy parent or educator for that matter. What you're teaching your child is that it's okay to hit to get your point across and he or she will carry that lesson with them and some day when somebody won't listen to their point they'll hammer it home just like mommy and daddy or teacher did to them.

Sit down with your kids and EXPLAIN why what they did was wrong and help them understand. You may find yourself searching for the answer 'why' yourself which could be a learning and growing experience for you as well. If the kid won't listen after that, then all the spanking in the world won't stop them.

Sorry for the tangent. Most of the time spanking is done at private school to maintain order because people are paying insane amounts of money for schooling and aren't going to want to hear how their little angels learned nothing all day cause a few disrespectful kids were goofing off and causing a rukus. I say just fine the parents if the kid is out of order...that should stop it real quick and if not then the added funds will offset the lost revenue from other kids gradually leaving.

So, I agree. No spanking except by lazy parents.

 

[Zebo]

I don't believe 'hitting' kids is necessary... Never had to resort to that with my kids...

Me neither but I'm a sizeable man with a deep voice However, I pulled mine out of public school because they have animals running the place. What do you do with a 5 yr old that tells adults to FU and spits on the other children and adults? He was given a timeout in the begining but simply would not go told his mom, principle and teacher to FU. What do you do? This child then stabbed mine with dull scissors they give in KG... and that finally did it for me. 5 minutes with my dad and that boy would have been a little angel. I know I was a hellion myself. There is a time for a good asswhippin IMO and this boy was it... Hate to see what he becomes. Anyway I gave permission if they want to smack mine with a big walnut rosary they can

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: Isla
C'mon... Dust Off the Paddles!

As someone who can speak from the trenches...

MOST of these kids misbehave BECAUSE they come from families where they get the *&%$ beaten out of them by parents who have no parenting skills whatsoever. Who is going to teach them how to resolve problems WITHOUT violence?

That said, I was paddled in the 7th grade by a simpleton dean for the crime of having called a boy an a$$hole. I called him that because he was sexually harassing me... I was very developed for my age and was the subject of much rude behavior. He was not penalized at all... I was told that my response was 'unlady-like".

You know what I learned from that? That the people in charge are not necessarily the ones who are fair or intelligent.

<---thinks corporal punishment should ONLY be given by the parents/guardians

Thats not always true ! A lot of kids aren't always victims of abuse but more like victims of parents who spoil them or let them get away with crap that they wouldn't put up with at home ( or in some cases do put up with at home ) in school because they see it as one big baby sitting service and yes I have been in the "trenches".

 

[Isla]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
I went to one of those schools too, but never got spanked. Hell of my friends did though and for more petty reasons than calling someone a name. All I know if I'd never admit my kid to a school where anybody there would lay a hand on her for ANY reason. I don't even want grandparents disciplining baby HOP. I was never spanked growing up and I was always the best behaved kid.

I think spanking your child is the last result of a dumb or lazy parent or educator for that matter. What you're teaching your child is that it's okay to hit to get your point across and he or she will carry that lesson with them and some day when somebody won't listen to their point they'll hammer it home just like mommy and daddy or teacher did to them.

Sit down with your kids and EXPLAIN why what they did was wrong and help them understand. You may find yourself searching for the answer 'why' yourself which could be a learning and growing experience for you as well. If the kid won't listen after that, then all the spanking in the world won't stop them.

Sorry for the tangent. Most of the time spanking is done at private school to maintain order because people are paying insane amounts of money for schooling and aren't going to want to hear how their little angels learned nothing all day cause a few disrespectful kids were goofing off and causing a rukus. I say just fine the parents if the kid is out of order...that should stop it real quick and if not then the added funds will offset the lost revenue from other kids gradually leaving.

So, I agree. No spanking except by lazy parents.

Well, yay. You and I totally agree on this, and that's a good thing.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: Zebo

I don't believe 'hitting' kids is necessary... Never had to resort to that with my kids...

Me neither but I'm a sizeable man with a deep voice However, I pulled mine out of public school because they have animals running the place. What do you do with a 5 yr old that tells adults to FU and spits on the other children and adults? He was given a timeout in the begining but simply would not go told his mom, principle and teacher to FU. What do you do? This child then stabbed mine with dull scissors they give in KG... and that finally did it for me. 5 minutes with my dad and that boy would have been a little angel. I know I was a hellion myself. There is a time for a good asswhippin IMO and this boy was it... Hate to see what he becomes. Anyway I gave permission if they want to smack mine with a big walnut rosary they can

More then likely he will have no fear of physically assaulting adults as a teenager. Imagine being stuck with a kid everyday for 1-2 hours and having to control a class of 30 other kids while he/she is busy inciting his/her classmates to act out with them and telling you F-OFF. Trust me it takes a loooooooooooooooooot of patience to not strangle the brat and teach that kid a lesson of a life time the hard way because god knows that his/her parents sure as hell wont do it.

 

[Isla]

Originally posted by: Zebo

I don't believe 'hitting' kids is necessary... Never had to resort to that with my kids...

Me neither but I'm a sizeable man with a deep voice However, I pulled mine out of public school because they have animals running the place. What do you do with a 5 yr old that tells adults to FU and spits on the other children and adults? He was given a timeout in the begining but simply would not go told his mom, principle and teacher to FU. What do you do? This child then stabbed mine with dull scissors they give in KG... and that finally did it for me. 5 minutes with my dad and that boy would have been a little angel. I know I was a hellion myself. There is a time for a good asswhippin IMO and this boy was it... Hate to see what he becomes. Anyway I gave permission if they want to smack mine with a big walnut rosary they can

LOL, fear the Nuns!!!!

I totally agree that if you pay for a private school and agree to their discipline plan, that can include corporal punishment.

But I have taught kids who come from homes where they get no love, just violence. I consider school their 'safe place', whether or not they 'deserve' it.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Isla

Originally posted by: Zebo

I don't believe 'hitting' kids is necessary... Never had to resort to that with my kids...

Me neither but I'm a sizeable man with a deep voice However, I pulled mine out of public school because they have animals running the place. What do you do with a 5 yr old that tells adults to FU and spits on the other children and adults? He was given a timeout in the begining but simply would not go told his mom, principle and teacher to FU. What do you do? This child then stabbed mine with dull scissors they give in KG... and that finally did it for me. 5 minutes with my dad and that boy would have been a little angel. I know I was a hellion myself. There is a time for a good asswhippin IMO and this boy was it... Hate to see what he becomes. Anyway I gave permission if they want to smack mine with a big walnut rosary they can

LOL, fear the Nuns!!!!

I totally agree that if you pay for a private school and agree to their discipline plan, that can include corporal punishment.

But I have taught kids who come from homes where they get no love, just violence. I consider school their 'safe place', whether or not they 'deserve' it.

Hurts like ...Well you know..

Good point Isla I think the primary way to insure good behavior and a succesful adult is actually care about and spend a signifigant amount of time with your child.. many parents are failing.. Maybe because of working too much to outdo the jones' or just a single parent (but this is a taboo suject). anyway I make it a point to sepnd every weekend and at least 2 hours a night with mine...When they tolerate me Sometimes they just want to be left alone...But I do my best to extract a conversation, game of chess, anything, it's just imporatant to show them you care and are always there.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: Isla

Originally posted by: Zebo

I don't believe 'hitting' kids is necessary... Never had to resort to that with my kids...

Me neither but I'm a sizeable man with a deep voice However, I pulled mine out of public school because they have animals running the place. What do you do with a 5 yr old that tells adults to FU and spits on the other children and adults? He was given a timeout in the begining but simply would not go told his mom, principle and teacher to FU. What do you do? This child then stabbed mine with dull scissors they give in KG... and that finally did it for me. 5 minutes with my dad and that boy would have been a little angel. I know I was a hellion myself. There is a time for a good asswhippin IMO and this boy was it... Hate to see what he becomes. Anyway I gave permission if they want to smack mine with a big walnut rosary they can

LOL, fear the Nuns!!!!

I totally agree that if you pay for a private school and agree to their discipline plan, that can include corporal punishment.

But I have taught kids who come from homes where they get no love, just violence. I consider school their 'safe place', whether or not they 'deserve' it.

I call this not having high expectations when it comes to behavior. I dealt with teachers who let kids pretty much run the show and trust me these classrooms are not very nice class rooms to be in. When asked why they didn't enforce any discipline in the classroom they always come up with the very same guilt trip you stated above. I am sorry but no teacher should put up with abuse form any child no matter what his/her home life is like. Respect begets respect in the end. If you do not demand respect from a child because you are to busy having guilt trip then the child will never have the expectation that he/she should show you respect. I have no problem with teachers understanding where a child is coming from but that does not mean that any teacher or staff member of any school should have to put up with any type of rude or abusive behavior. That's not what educators and staff members are paid for !

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Zebo

I don't believe 'hitting' kids is necessary... Never had to resort to that with my kids...

Me neither but I'm a sizeable man with a deep voice However, I pulled mine out of public school because they have animals running the place. What do you do with a 5 yr old that tells adults to FU and spits on the other children and adults? He was given a timeout in the begining but simply would not go told his mom, principle and teacher to FU. What do you do? This child then stabbed mine with dull scissors they give in KG... and that finally did it for me. 5 minutes with my dad and that boy would have been a little angel. I know I was a hellion myself. There is a time for a good asswhippin IMO and this boy was it... Hate to see what he becomes. Anyway I gave permission if they want to smack mine with a big walnut rosary they can

Other folks kids often reflect other folks or have chemical or psychological issues that need tending to... I think and the kids may need professional help well more than a smack...

I don't know if size matters.. at least in my environment... I've always had humor and laughing around me. At times it infuriated my wife... but, if someone does something.. I've always said... "Don't be sorry .. be aware" Sorry never cut it ... the dish is broken... sorry don't fix it and I'm not in the business of making sure folks feel bad... I want them to be alert to the realities of life. I surely don't want them to fear me... I've a deep voice too... as they now have.. eeks.. and some what large... 6' 3" as they are or are becoming... well... to be truthful ... I've shrunk about an inch.. The point is fear... it is an awful thing to inculcate into the thinking and being of a person...
I grew up in the streets of NYC and don't think I feared anything about that.. gramma taught me to think smarter... and run if they are bigger...

 

[Isla]

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: Isla

Originally posted by: Zebo

I don't believe 'hitting' kids is necessary... Never had to resort to that with my kids...

Me neither but I'm a sizeable man with a deep voice However, I pulled mine out of public school because they have animals running the place. What do you do with a 5 yr old that tells adults to FU and spits on the other children and adults? He was given a timeout in the begining but simply would not go told his mom, principle and teacher to FU. What do you do? This child then stabbed mine with dull scissors they give in KG... and that finally did it for me. 5 minutes with my dad and that boy would have been a little angel. I know I was a hellion myself. There is a time for a good asswhippin IMO and this boy was it... Hate to see what he becomes. Anyway I gave permission if they want to smack mine with a big walnut rosary they can

LOL, fear the Nuns!!!!

I totally agree that if you pay for a private school and agree to their discipline plan, that can include corporal punishment.

But I have taught kids who come from homes where they get no love, just violence. I consider school their 'safe place', whether or not they 'deserve' it.

I call this not having high expectations when it comes to behavior. I dealt with teachers who let kids pretty much run the show and trust me these classrooms are not very nice class rooms to be in. When asked why they didn't enforce any discipline in the classroom they always come up with the very same guilt trip you stated above. I am sorry but no teacher should put up with abuse form any child no matter what his/her home life is like. Respect begets respect in the end. If you do not demand respect from a child because you are to busy having guilt trip then the child will never have the expectation that he/she should show you respect. I have no problem with teachers understanding where a child is coming from but that does not mean that any teacher or staff member of any school should have to put up with any type of rude or abusive behavior. That's not what educators and staff members are paid for !

You've read Harry Wong! Woot!

<---loves good teachers, and wishes there were more

(edit: I still don't think corporal punishment is appropriate in PUBLIC schools... we can use other methods!)