I think my iPhone is broken

[Calculator83]

I'm not completely sure but if you look closely the screen seems to have 2 columes of pixels left and right and 3 rows of pixels top and bottom unused. Is it just my phone?

 

[loup garou]

You held down the icon too long.

 

[Calculator83]

Hehe maybe but seriously, anyone else have this issue?

 

[JohnAn2112]

Can you take a pic and show us what it looks like? Your description is lacking, well...description.

 

[pm]

My phone has this too - yours isn't broken. There's a boundary around the edge of the screen that's unused. Mine is the same - a column 2 pixels wide on the left and right sides, and then a row 3 pixels wide on the top and bottom. I'm not sure why they did this... but the screen's used resolution is slightly smaller than the true resolution of the LCD.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

time to get a real phone.

 

[pm]

Originally posted by: DLeRium
time to get a real phone.

Like what? When someone says the words "real phone", I picture one that you can plug into the wall.

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: pm

Originally posted by: DLeRium
time to get a real phone.

Like what? When someone says the words "real phone", I picture one that you can plug into the wall.

he means a phone not made by apple, it could be one of those phones that looks just like a Shoe you get from signing up for Sports Illustrated. Just as long as Apple doesn't make it!

And it doesn't matter Apple is releasing the SDK and in a matter of weeks the iPhone will have Push email, Activesync with Exchange Servers, and everything people bitch about it not doing/having, minus a physical keyboard.

iPhone haters will never admit it's good, even when the 3rd generation one come out in 09 and does EVERYTHING every phone does, faster and better.

"get a real phone!" will still be their response

 

[Raduque]

A real phone includes a real keypad. Till Apple makes it a side slider like an HTC winmo phone, I'll never consider an iPhone.

 

[QueBert]

great response, 25 years ago a real phone included a dial not buttons. And if you want a "real phone" it has 0-9 buttons with # and a * not a mini retarded keyboard,

nice try to discredit the iphone. Sounds like what you want is a Pocketpc, not a real phone. real phones don't have internet access and such, they are... a phone!

 

[WelshBloke]

Originally posted by: Raduque
A real phone includes a real keypad. Till Apple makes it a side slider like an HTC winmo phone, I'll never consider an iPhone.

And a memory card slot, user replaceable battery, ability to install what I want not what apple wants on it, 3g support and its too big for a phone and too small for a PDA.

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: WelshBloke

Originally posted by: Raduque
A real phone includes a real keypad. Till Apple makes it a side slider like an HTC winmo phone, I'll never consider an iPhone.

And a memory card slot, user replaceable battery, ability to install what I want not what apple wants on it, 3g support and its too big for a phone and too small for a PDA.

don't need a memory card slot, you can get a 16 gig model. the smallest model has more memory than ANY WinMO device I've seen, with a 4 gig microSD card I can have 40 megabytes more than an iPhone. 8-16 gig models, you'd need 2-4 microSD cards. Doesn't seem very effective to me. But if you HAVE to have removable storage, be my guest and buy 4 4 gig cards to get the same space. swapping sd cards might not be so bad *whistle*

you can install what you want, jailbreak it, there are tons of 3rd party apps, will be even more once apple releases the SDK. WM has more apps but all of the free ones suck and I can't find any that are reasonably priced for what they do. $20 bucks to improve the caller id, WTF? Again with jailbreak you can do what u wish and aren't tied in to apple products. Have fun with your WM apps written by god knows who - I had more than one that boffed my Moto Q so bad I had to do a hard reset to fix it


115 x 61 x 11.6 mm, Weight 135 g - iPhone
116 x 64 x 11.5 mm, Weight 115 g - Motorola Q
114 x 61 x 13 mm, Weight 100 g - Blackjack II
T-Mobile Dash is about the size of the Q.

so what PDA phone are you speaking about that's so much bigger than an iPhone? the iPhone weights a bit more, but it has metal not cheap plastic like my Q. I would take 20 grams (which ain't much) to have a phone that feels like it was built well. as far as size it's actually bigger than any PDA phone I've seen, the screen is huge and high(er) resolution, iPaqs has a few models that have 4" screens. But if you believe the iPhone is "too small" to be a PDA, than that same statement applies to all but maybe 1 or 2 other PDA phones out there. *shrug*

come June we'll have a 3g model with full push email and active sync. I will give people the fact the keyboard might suck to them, but it will excel at everything. I would trade my Q KB's for an inch of screen space any day. But that's just me. as for the memory slot, I'll take more internal memory over a stick, I put a 2 gig card in my Q and haven't took it out once. Don't understand the need, would be nice if I could get 8 or 16 gig cards but I can't. And when they are out there's a good chance my phone won't support them.

 

[WelshBloke]

Sigh.

don't need a memory card slot, you can get a 16 gig model. the smallest model has more memory than ANY WinMO device I've seen, with a 4 gig microSD card I can have 40 megabytes more than an iPhone. 8-16 gig models, you'd need 2-4 microSD cards. Doesn't seem very effective to me. But if you HAVE to have removable storage, be my guest and buy 4 4 gig cards to get the same space. swapping sd cards might not be so bad *whistle*

Its easy to find 16GB sd cards, and 32GB ones are coming soon.

I've an Ipaq that can support a CF card and SD card at the same time (so 64GB) although why I'd need that I dont know.

So I cant see me needing to swap cards, but the ability to do so is handy for swapping data with people.

you can install what you want, jailbreak it, there are tons of 3rd party apps, will be even more once apple releases the SDK. WM has more apps but all of the free ones suck and I can't find any that are reasonably priced for what they do. $20 bucks to improve the caller id, WTF? Again with jailbreak you can do what u wish and aren't tied in to apple products. Have fun with your WM apps written by god knows who - I had more than one that boffed my Moto Q so bad I had to do a hard reset to fix it

I'd rather not break my device before I can use it.

so what PDA phone are you speaking about that's so much bigger than an iPhone? the iPhone weights a bit more, but it has metal not cheap plastic like my Q. I would take 20 grams (which ain't much) to have a phone that feels like it was built well. as far as size it's actually bigger than any PDA phone I've seen, the screen is huge and high(er) resolution, iPaqs has a few models that have 4" screens. But if you believe the iPhone is "too small" to be a PDA, than that same statement applies to all but maybe 1 or 2 other PDA phones out there. *shrug*

Thats my point, its too big for a phone.

And yes I think that about most other 'PDA' phones as well.

come June we'll have a 3g model with full push email and active sync. I will give people the fact the keyboard might suck to them, but it will excel at everything. I would trade my Q KB's for an inch of screen space any day. But that's just me. as for the memory slot, I'll take more internal memory over a stick, I put a 2 gig card in my Q and haven't took it out once. Don't understand the need, would be nice if I could get 8 or 16 gig cards but I can't. And when they are out there's a good chance my phone won't support them

And in June I'll like the Iphone slightly more.

The fact that your phone doesnt support bigger cards doesnt mean that most modern ones dont, and they are easy to find

You seem to think everyone who doesnt rave about the Iphone hates it.

I think it does a lot of things very well it just doesnt do the things I want it to.

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: WelshBloke
Sigh.

don't need a memory card slot, you can get a 16 gig model. the smallest model has more memory than ANY WinMO device I've seen, with a 4 gig microSD card I can have 40 megabytes more than an iPhone. 8-16 gig models, you'd need 2-4 microSD cards. Doesn't seem very effective to me. But if you HAVE to have removable storage, be my guest and buy 4 4 gig cards to get the same space. swapping sd cards might not be so bad *whistle*

Its easy to find 16GB sd cards, and 32GB ones are coming soon.

I've an Ipaq that can support a CF card and SD card at the same time (so 64GB) although why I'd need that I dont know.

So I cant see me needing to swap cards, but the ability to do so is handy for swapping data with people.

you can install what you want, jailbreak it, there are tons of 3rd party apps, will be even more once apple releases the SDK. WM has more apps but all of the free ones suck and I can't find any that are reasonably priced for what they do. $20 bucks to improve the caller id, WTF? Again with jailbreak you can do what u wish and aren't tied in to apple products. Have fun with your WM apps written by god knows who - I had more than one that boffed my Moto Q so bad I had to do a hard reset to fix it

I'd rather not break my device before I can use it.

so what PDA phone are you speaking about that's so much bigger than an iPhone? the iPhone weights a bit more, but it has metal not cheap plastic like my Q. I would take 20 grams (which ain't much) to have a phone that feels like it was built well. as far as size it's actually bigger than any PDA phone I've seen, the screen is huge and high(er) resolution, iPaqs has a few models that have 4" screens. But if you believe the iPhone is "too small" to be a PDA, than that same statement applies to all but maybe 1 or 2 other PDA phones out there. *shrug*

Thats my point, its too big for a phone.

And yes I think that about most other 'PDA' phones as well.

come June we'll have a 3g model with full push email and active sync. I will give people the fact the keyboard might suck to them, but it will excel at everything. I would trade my Q KB's for an inch of screen space any day. But that's just me. as for the memory slot, I'll take more internal memory over a stick, I put a 2 gig card in my Q and haven't took it out once. Don't understand the need, would be nice if I could get 8 or 16 gig cards but I can't. And when they are out there's a good chance my phone won't support them

And in June I'll like the Iphone slightly more.

The fact that your phone doesnt support bigger cards doesnt mean that most modern ones dont, and they are easy to find

You seem to think everyone who doesnt rave about the Iphone hates it.

I think it does a lot of things very well it just doesnt do the things I want it to.

actually next to no phones support CF or SD cards, Micro or MiniSD is standard in every Smart Phone I see. There might be 1 or 2 models that support CF but that's highly unusual to see. My Motorola Q will NEVER be able to support 16 gigs, 32 gig microSD cards are years away, and unless you buy an Ipaq you can't use any other type of memory in it. MOST modern phones use the exact same memory as mine. Except for the ones that use MiniSD, which has even smaller size cards gig wise than the micro's.

I don't think people who don't rave about it hate it, hell if I loved it so much I'd own one. but you said it was too small to be a PDA, yet it's bigger than 98% of PDA's out there, again you can't use the 2 Ipaq models as proof. Next to the typical PDA phone the iPhone is bigger.

 

[WelshBloke]

actually next to no phones support CF or SD cards, Micro or MiniSD is standard in every Smart Phone I see. There might be 1 or 2 models that support CF but that's highly unusual to see. My Motorola Q will NEVER be able to support 16 gigs, 32 gig microSD cards are years away, and unless you buy an Ipaq you can't use any other type of memory in it. MOST modern phones use the exact same memory as mine. Except for the ones that use MiniSD, which has even smaller size cards gig wise than the micro's.

I didn't claim smartphones take CF cards

I've got an 8GB microSD on the table in front of me and most modern phones will work with it, your Q is no longer that new.

And 32GB microSD shouldn't take that long.

I don't think people who don't rave about it hate it, hell if I loved it so much I'd own one. but you said it was too small to be a PDA, yet it's bigger than 98% of PDA's out there, again you can't use the 2 Ipaq models as proof. Next to the typical PDA phone the iPhone is bigger.

My point is a dedicated PDA is better in pretty much all ways (at doing PDA stuff) than a PDA phone.

And a smartphone is better than a PDA phone at doing phone things.

The Iphone (and other PDA phones) tries to bridge the gap and, in my opinion, fails.

 

[pm]

The Iphone (and other PDA phones) tries to bridge the gap and, in my opinion, fails.

While I agree on the microSD support (I wish I could add more memory to my iPhone), I wouldn't call an iPhone a PDA. If that's what Apple was aiming for, then they missed the mark by a fair bit. It doesn't have task lists, it doesn't sync with bluetooth, the Outlook support is buggy (calendar syncing in particular - everytime that I plug it in, I get to a repeat of everything that I had all day show up in my outlook reminders), the email support is limited (both in the size of the mailbox and the ability to view and edit attachments), I can't edit common office applications...

I've owned several Palm Pilots - I know what I used my PDA for... and my iPhone comes close enough to be a decent replacement for a Palm Pilot Vx. But it's quite a ways from a modern PDA like an iPAQ 211. The next firmware release will take the iPhone closer - including features that I never understood why they weren't supported in the first place (802.1x for example).

But it's much better at surfing the web than anything I've seen, and it's pretty good for watching movies. So it's better than any PDA that I've played with as a portable entertainment and web access gizmo.

So, Mr. Bloke, I pretty much agree with you. It's not a great modern PDA... but it's decent. And likely to get better over the summer when "firmware 2.0" is released (the enterprise support firmware).

It's still an Apple-controlled gizmo though. Which means no user replaceable battery and no SD/microSD support (that said, I took my iPhone apart replacing the LCD and it wasn't that bad), probably no WiFi synching and almost certainly no Bluetooth synching... I'm looking forward to seeing what other companies (esp. Blackberry) release as their answer to the iPhone later this year and into next year. If I see something better, I'll jump ship to something else quickly. In the meantime, I'd rather be sitting on a commuter train with my iPhone than my PDA, and I can see my calendar well enough with my iPhone. It works well enough as a PDA in my opinion... and I've never bored carrying it around anywhere where there is EDGE... which is better than I could say for any of my previous PDA's.



Quebert, you need to EBay your MotoQ and buy an iPhone... you can get $200 for the Q, and then get a refurb iPhone for $150 more. And then you can join me in griping about the enterprise features (or lack thereof).

 

[WelshBloke]

I wouldn't call an iPhone a PDA. If that's what Apple was aiming for, then they missed the mark by a fair bit.

What is it then?

Its definably more than a phone, but as you said theres better PDA's out and I'd say theres better devices for video.

But it's much better at surfing the web than anything I've seen, and it's pretty good for watching movies. So it's better than any PDA that I've played with as a portable entertainment and web access gizmo.

I've heard good thing about web surfing with the iphone, one thing I was curious is clicking links.

Iphones 320×480 so those links must be quite small, and isnt the touch screen capacitive so you have to use your finger. now Ive got quite fat fingers so Im not sure how that would work.

Ive had a really good experiance playing video on my Ipaq. It will play most formats I throw at it including my colection of AVI's.

Also something I was really pleased with was syncing TV programs Id captured with Windows Media Center straight onto my Ipod for viewing at work.

It's still an Apple-controlled gizmo though. Which means no user replaceable battery and no SD/microSD support (that said, I took my iPhone apart replacing the LCD and it wasn't that bad), probably no WiFi synching and almost certainly no Bluetooth synching

Yeah we shouldnt complain really, we knew what we were going to get with the battery and expandable memory.

Why wont Apple do Bluetooth syncing, every phone I've used for years has that.

and I've never bored carrying it around anywhere where there is EDGE... which is better than I could say for any of my previous PDA's.

What I do is carry my smartphone in my pocket (its small and does most that I need) if I need a bit more I can get my PDA out of my bag link it to my smartphone using bluetooth and use my phones 3G connection (I know that sounds faffy but involves a few clicks)

I know I sound overly harsh about the Iphone at times but I do genuinely feel its a great product, hell as the first phone Apple have made its amazing.
It just seems Apple nerfed it deliberately in some ways

 

[pm]

What is it then?

In my humble opinion, an iPhone is a wide-screen, touch-screen iPod Video that can surf the web via WiFi with a EDGE-capable cell phone bolted onto it. Or an iPod Touch with a cell phone attached.

It's not a Blackberry replacement, nor is it a great PDA... although when the next round of firmware is released, it will get closer to these in function.

Iphones 320×480 so those links must be quite small, and isnt the touch screen capacitive so you have to use your finger. now Ive got quite fat fingers so Im not sure how that would work.

Yes, the links are very small when you pull up a big page (it dynamically sizes the page to the screen... so Google's links aren't too bad since it's a small page - but on Yahoo, or CNN, they are too small to press. To work around this, you do this kind of two finger pull apart thing, usually by separating your index and middle fingers while touching the screen and the screen zooms in by how far apart your fingers are. Or you can double tap in quick succession and it will attempt to auto-size the section you want to look at using some pretty magic-like routine. Either way, it's pretty cool - and mostly effective. Once you've zoom'd in you, can click and generally get the link right. To pan around, you move your finger around. It's one of those things that I think makes iPhones neat to play with - Apple did a good job with it. While I can complain all day about the things they left out or didn't do they way that I like, the way that they do the multi-touch is pretty cool.

Ive had a really good experiance playing video on my Ipaq. It will play most formats I throw at it including my colection of AVI's.

Yep. IPAQ's rock - particularly the newer ones.
If we are comparing something like an iPhone to one of the newer, high-end IPAQ's - then the IPAQ will win in just about everything related to business. And video playing is very good as well as you pointed out. The thing the iPhone is neat is mostly the "gee-whiz" kind of factor - it's more of a toy... but a fun toy. I want to carry around just one gizmo and the iPhone meets my modest business/PDA needs well enough - once they add in better WiFi security and Outlook capabilities, it will be close to exactly what I need/want.

Yeah we shouldnt complain really, we knew what we were going to get with the battery and expandable memory. Why wont Apple do Bluetooth syncing, every phone I've used for years has that.

Oh, I totally disagree - we should complain a lot! But I guess what I meant is that we shouldn't be surprised. It's like an iPod - no added memory, no wireless synching, no user-changable battery. Apple is annoying in what they limit you to - but at least they are consistent.

As to Bluetooth synching, I have no idea. You can pair it with a car and use it in Hand's Free systems - I can pair it with my laptop, but I can't sync anything over it. I have no idea why. It's like the 802.1x... I mean, why leave it off? The Infineon chip they are using supports all of this stuff. It makes no sense to me. And why not support stereo bluetooth? I mean it has a bluetooth chip - it's just software from there. I think the root of the reason there's no wireless synching over WiFi or Bluetooth is the reason why so many obvious features are left off - it opens the device to hacking. Once you can move files on and off, then you make the hacking component much easier. But, in hindsight, the hackers don't seem to have any trouble finding ways onto the iPhone, so either Apple was naive, or there's a really good reason why the limit the feature set that I'm not creative enough to think of.

I know I sound overly harsh about the Iphone at times but I do genuinely feel its a great product, hell as the first phone Apple have made its amazing.
It just seems Apple nerfed it deliberately in some ways

They have definitely nerfed it in a lot of ways. I still try to understand why. They should have just unlocked it, sold it worldwide, stopped worrying about hackers and opened the device up to third party apps, allowed WiFi and Bluetooth synching - and then used the "power" of all the creative individuals out there to make it the best cell phone it can be. Instead, they locked it down, and nerfed it - and it's only now, a year later that they are getting ready to open it up to other developers. I know you aren't being harsh - you have an IPAQ - they are pretty cool, particularly the really new ones. You look at what you have, and you look at the iPhone and compare...



Neat. I'm a moderator now.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Apple can own the cell phone market with just a few changes, I'm a former hater from way back, and frankly, you'd have to pay me to own an Apple PC.

What I think in unlikely to happen is for Apple to make the battery replaceable, or for them to make the memory expandable.

Proud owner of a refurbed, hacked, 8 gig iPhone and recovering hater.

I imagine I'll have a 3rd party replace my battery when it's needed since I can't solder for crap...

 

[everman]

I recently got in on the refurb deal and I think it's great. But obviously from this thread you see that everyone has their own opinion.
I think the size is fine, fits in my pants pocket well. Lots of nice features, especially after I unlocked it, which is easy (and certainly not "breaking it").
The 3rd party app support will be huge now that the SDK is available, and since it's such a flexible platform I think we'll see some cool stuff and a lot of issues addressed.

Sure it's not for everybody, but it's good for a lot of us including me.