I think my girlfriend is pregnant

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Night201

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Originally posted by: TheFamilyMan
You gotta love the immaturity of the new generation..."Hey, let's have all the casual sex we want to. If you happen to get pregnant, we'll just kill it like nothing ever happened. We won't tell your parents and we won't tell mine. Forget about the long-term where, one day, you'll conceive a child but always wonder about the one you threw away like dishwater. It's okay...anything that allows us to just get it on like animals with no recourse. Go ahead baby...do it...get the abortion. I don't want my life ruined right now."

OP, why don't you grow the fvck up and become a man. You laid down with this woman and should have known that one of the consequences of it could be pregnancy...nothing is 100% other than abstinence. Instead of being a man about it and thinking about what it would be like to look into the eyes of a child who is yours and knowing love like you've never known, you'd rather b!tch and whine about how inconveinent it would be for you to have to grow up right now. Selfish bastard.

Well said.
 

Bibble

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Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: santz
Originally posted by: Roguestar
Originally posted by: z0mb13
so is she preggors?

Yeah I just want an update from the OP.

I want update, this thread will go on forever without one,! update and end this story
:thumbsup:

I can't give an update until next week, since that is when she is supposed to get her period.

Thank you to all who told me whether or not you think she is pregnant. I've calmed down significantly. I was freaking out when I posted. I realize now it was stupid to post, but I wanted to see what you guys thought. I'm very glad to hear most of you think it's a UTI.
 

Tobolo

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EDITED SOME OF THE QUOTES OUT
Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: MAME

you're right. They should have a child when they're clearly not ready for it. It definitely would not inhibit their lives and it's totally fair to the child. They better have this kid because it's their only chance to ever have a child.

you moron

::whoosh::

Hey look, you still don't get it yet.

There's an extremely wide gap between sitting on the sidelines saying a couple should have an abortion, being the father saying that we should have an abortion, and actually being in the woman's shoes when she is carrying a baby.

You have no idea what is going through the mother's mind or her mental state or what it actually feels like or does to you emotionally when a woman carries a human being inside of her. If she is indeed pregnant (which is highly doubtful) she'd be a 19 year old college freshmen during finals having pre-marital sex, in a relationship her parents do not approve of.

You honestly expect her not to be bat-sh!t crazy in a situation like that?

I agree with you. I have witnessed two abortions (Not my own, but for a class). Anyone that would casually suggest an abortion has not. One woman was completely knocked out on medication and STILL screamed during the procedure. This is not just a easy thing to decide. It could haunt the mother the rest of her life (could not) but it is something that she needs to decide. IMO if she has any doubt AT ALL then she should not have one. You can always give the baby up for adoption.
 

sixone

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Originally posted by: manowar821
Oh god the retardation hurts my head.

Killing living cells does not = murder. Is killing bacteria, murder? There is a point in the pregnancy when the fetus actually becomes "alive".

You need to learn about what you argue about, quit spewing feelings and ethics, and get some facts. Prove the thousands of scientists wrong, prove abortion is actually killing a thinking human being.

You're not cut out for it, though. I can tell from your mindless babbling that you're all emotion, and no brains.

Your retardation hurts mine. Your opinion and "scientific facts" don't mean jack. It comes down to whether I want to keep it - it's a baby if I do, and a fetus if I don't.
 

MrDudeMan

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Originally posted by: manowar821

Oh god the retardation hurts my head.

Killing living cells does not = murder. Is killing bacteria, murder? There is a point in the pregnancy when the fetus actually becomes "alive".

You need to learn about what you argue about, quit spewing feelings and ethics, and get some facts. Prove the thousands of scientists wrong, prove abortion is actually killing a thinking human being.

You're not cut out for it, though. I can tell from your mindless babbling that you're all emotion, and no brains.

Is there any chance of bateria growing into a human? No, try again later.

If left unharmed, the "zygote" would 9999/10000 times grow into a healthy human baby. If you kill the "cells" you definitely ended the beginning stages of a human being, which is killing the baby. To all of you morons who think the baby is only a baby when it shoots out the tunnel, what about the fact that almost every baby can survive if born several weeks earlier? If you kill the baby in the third trimester instead of in the first, either way you are killing a human being, 1 trillion cells or 10 cells.

An abortion is not killing a thinking human being - it is killing a human being though. Please tell me when the fetus becomes alive, otherwise your whole premise is completely unfounded and absurd.
 

crt1530

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Originally posted by: sixone
Originally posted by: manowar821
Oh god the retardation hurts my head.

Killing living cells does not = murder. Is killing bacteria, murder? There is a point in the pregnancy when the fetus actually becomes "alive".

You need to learn about what you argue about, quit spewing feelings and ethics, and get some facts. Prove the thousands of scientists wrong, prove abortion is actually killing a thinking human being.

You're not cut out for it, though. I can tell from your mindless babbling that you're all emotion, and no brains.

Your retardation hurts mine. Your opinion and "scientific facts" don't mean jack. It comes down to whether I want to keep it - it's a baby if I do, and a fetus if I don't.
Well, even if you want it/decide to keep it, it's a fetus until you deliver it.

manowar821: I find your ideas fascinating and would like to subscribe to your newsletter, but first, please go to this site and identify the stage in pregnancy when the fetus becomes "alive" (scientifically speaking).
 

OneOfTheseDays

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Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
Originally posted by: manowar821

Oh god the retardation hurts my head.

Killing living cells does not = murder. Is killing bacteria, murder? There is a point in the pregnancy when the fetus actually becomes "alive".

You need to learn about what you argue about, quit spewing feelings and ethics, and get some facts. Prove the thousands of scientists wrong, prove abortion is actually killing a thinking human being.

You're not cut out for it, though. I can tell from your mindless babbling that you're all emotion, and no brains.

Is there any chance of bateria growing into a human? No, try again later.

If left unharmed, the "zygote" would 9999/10000 times grow into a healthy human baby. If you kill the "cells" you definitely ended the beginning stages of a human being, which is killing the baby. To all of you morons who think the baby is only a baby when it shoots out the tunnel, what about the fact that almost every baby can survive if born several weeks earlier? If you kill the baby in the third trimester instead of in the first, either way you are killing a human being, 1 trillion cells or 10 cells.

An abortion is not killing a thinking human being - it is killing a human being though. Please tell me when the fetus becomes alive, otherwise your whole premise is completely unfounded and absurd.

the abortion debate is one that will NEVER be settled so don't bother trying to convince the other side that your right and they are wrong. there will never even be a compromise because both sides by nature are completely opposed to each other.
 

SilthDraeth

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Originally posted by: sixone
Originally posted by: manowar821
Oh god the retardation hurts my head.

Killing living cells does not = murder. Is killing bacteria, murder? There is a point in the pregnancy when the fetus actually becomes "alive".

You need to learn about what you argue about, quit spewing feelings and ethics, and get some facts. Prove the thousands of scientists wrong, prove abortion is actually killing a thinking human being.

You're not cut out for it, though. I can tell from your mindless babbling that you're all emotion, and no brains.

Your retardation hurts mine. Your opinion and "scientific facts" don't mean jack. It comes down to whether I want to keep it - it's a baby if I do, and a fetus if I don't.

I withdrew my comments, obviously, I feel one way, and I don't think this is the place to go wild. But your comment sums up the whole abortion argument. Science explains conception to birth in sexually reproductive mammals. It doesn't answer philosophical, moral, ethical, or emotional questions. What you call it, zygote, fetus, or whatever is just that.
When my wife got pregnant, we knew the 2nd week she was pregnant, and we called it a baby. *shrug*
 

Mr Pepper

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Originally posted by: Garth
Originally posted by: Mr Pepper
What in the hell are you talking about?

Isn't it obvious?

So... I guess I'll spell it out for you.

The girl scout's very existence is causing an inconvenience for me. Besides, it's not like she has anything to live her own life for. I was under the impression the world revolved around me.

So if I make her eat her own cookies till she explodes, what's the harm anyway? I should be able to make that choice, it's no one else's business.
What an idiot.

The girl scout isn't violating your right to bodily integrity by soliciting you for cookies, Einstein. Therefore, you lack the very basis that a woman has to terminate her own pregnancy. In simple terms, you've developed a false analogy, due to either ignorance or willful disregard for the facts.

Whatever the case, I suggest you educate yourself with regard to the relevant principles behind the legality of abortion before make yourself seem even more of a jackass than you already have.

To begin my response, I will do the favor of not personally attacking you, as you chose to do to me. I'll just call it being respectful in light of opposing or conflicting ideals.

The analogy does in fact work, if bodily integrity (this phrase could use some explanation) takes second place to another individual's right to live. That was the whole point of the overblown, and 'silly' nature of my comparison. My intent was to expose the domino effect of the careless disposal of human life.

I'm not asking you, or anyone to agree with my thought process, but I would like to exercise my right to free speech, if that's alright with you.

To the OP.

I do feel for you and you GF. I have been there. Sweating the same bullet. It's huge to have to take responsibility for a life that you have created. I just want to tell you that I have seen the end result of both decisions you could make if she is indeed pregnant.

My advice, would be to use this experience as a wake up call to the responsibility that is required in a sexual relationship. (Some may argue that this is why you want to be married before this kind of an undertaking).

I will say that I have never met a woman who was not permanently, emotionally and physically damaged by abortion. That's just my experience.

On the other hand, I have seen an unwanted pregnancy carried through & given up for adoption. It was also painful, but the reward was that individual grew up to be able to make their own decision to live.

It's also easier to sleep at night.

Good luck
 

manowar821

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Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
Originally posted by: manowar821

Oh god the retardation hurts my head.

Killing living cells does not = murder. Is killing bacteria, murder? There is a point in the pregnancy when the fetus actually becomes "alive".

You need to learn about what you argue about, quit spewing feelings and ethics, and get some facts. Prove the thousands of scientists wrong, prove abortion is actually killing a thinking human being.

You're not cut out for it, though. I can tell from your mindless babbling that you're all emotion, and no brains.

Is there any chance of bateria growing into a human? No, try again later.

If left unharmed, the "zygote" would 9999/10000 times grow into a healthy human baby. If you kill the "cells" you definitely ended the beginning stages of a human being, which is killing the baby. To all of you morons who think the baby is only a baby when it shoots out the tunnel, what about the fact that almost every baby can survive if born several weeks earlier? If you kill the baby in the third trimester instead of in the first, either way you are killing a human being, 1 trillion cells or 10 cells.

An abortion is not killing a thinking human being - it is killing a human being though. Please tell me when the fetus becomes alive, otherwise your whole premise is completely unfounded and absurd.

Kay, and tell me exactly how 10 or however many cells is a human? And don't say that there is already a "soul" there, because that's a religious term, and does not apply in the real world.

Tell me how a mass of cells that does not have consciousness, feeling or thought is a human being, tell me how killing those cells is murder.
 

crt1530

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Originally posted by: manowar821
Kay, and tell me exactly how 10 or however many cells is a human? And don't say that there is already a "soul" there, because that's a religious term, and does not apply in the real world.

Tell me how a mass of cells that does not have consciousness, feeling or thought is a human being, tell me how killing those cells is murder.
You didn't answer MY question. Go to the website I linked and tell me when a fetus becomes scientifically "alive."
 

dmw16

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of course this turns into a pro-life vs pro-choice debate. I dont think that the OP wanted your opinions on his very personal choice.
 

manowar821

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Originally posted by: crt1530
Originally posted by: manowar821
Kay, and tell me exactly how 10 or however many cells is a human? And don't say that there is already a "soul" there, because that's a religious term, and does not apply in the real world.

Tell me how a mass of cells that does not have consciousness, feeling or thought is a human being, tell me how killing those cells is murder.
You didn't answer MY question. Go to the website I linked and tell me when a fetus becomes scientifically "alive."

It is generally thought that brain activity is started at about week 22. A safe bet would be 15-20 weeks in, IMO.

Here, don't believe me?
http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_argu.htm

Now, barring any kind of existence of a soul, what would be wrong with a week 15-20 abortion, morally?
 

crt1530

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Originally posted by: manowar821
It is generally thought that brain activity is started at about week 22. A safe bet would be 15-20 weeks in, IMO.

Here, don't believe me?
http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_argu.htm

Now, barring any kind of existence of a soul, what would be wrong with a week 15-20 abortion, morally?
I don't think abortion should be banned. Frankly, I don't care what other people do to their unborn offspring. That being said, there is no moral or ethical justification for destroying a fetus to avoid inconvenience. Terminating another lifeform to avoid nine months of (not insignificant) inconvenience reeks of selfishness and a complete lack of respect for life. Regardless of how many brain cells the fetus has or whether it could survive outside the womb at that point in time, you are killing a living organism because you don't feel like accepting the responsibility that accompanies sex.
 

manowar821

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Originally posted by: crt1530
Originally posted by: manowar821
It is generally thought that brain activity is started at about week 22. A safe bet would be 15-20 weeks in, IMO.

Here, don't believe me?
http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_argu.htm

Now, barring any kind of existence of a soul, what would be wrong with a week 15-20 abortion, morally?
I don't think abortion should be banned. Frankly, I don't care what other people do to their unborn offspring. That being said, there is no moral or ethical justification for destroying a fetus to avoid inconvenience. Terminating another lifeform to avoid nine months of (not insignificant) inconvenience reeks of selfishness and a complete lack of respect for life. Regardless of how many brain cells the fetus has or whether it could survive outside the womb at that point in time, you are killing a living organism because you don't feel like accepting the responsibility that accompanies sex.

Alright, so now we're in the realm of personal opinion, which I'm fine simply disagreeing with.

I'd argue that they're trying to save themselves from the hardship, so they may finish their schooling, start their career, and THEN be able to support a child successfully.

I agree, it's a bit selfish, but at the same time, it's not entirely so. I just wish that people weren't so bad at using birth control... What people don't realize about condoms and pills, is that the failure rate is not because the device fails, it's because of user error.

I'm done here... I think I've been a bit of an ass, sorry OP.

 

moshquerade

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Originally posted by: Bibble
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: santz
Originally posted by: Roguestar
Originally posted by: z0mb13
so is she preggors?

Yeah I just want an update from the OP.

I want update, this thread will go on forever without one,! update and end this story
:thumbsup:

I can't give an update until next week, since that is when she is supposed to get her period.

Thank you to all who told me whether or not you think she is pregnant. I've calmed down significantly. I was freaking out when I posted. I realize now it was stupid to post, but I wanted to see what you guys thought. I'm very glad to hear most of you think it's a UTI.

Bibble, she needs to see a doc for the UTI. She needs a prescription med to get rid of it.
 

crt1530

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manowar821: Morality and ethics are not based on "what would make me the happiest/most successful." Abortion is legal. Despite my distaste for abortion, I would never try to make it illegal. Just don't try to pretend that using abortion as a form of birth control is moral/ethical. I don't care if people choose to have abortions, but I will never accept the assertion that it is a morally justifiable action.
 

preCRT

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Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Bibble
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: santz
Originally posted by: Roguestar
Originally posted by: z0mb13
so is she preggors?

Yeah I just want an update from the OP.

I want update, this thread will go on forever without one,! update and end this story
:thumbsup:

I can't give an update until next week, since that is when she is supposed to get her period.

Thank you to all who told me whether or not you think she is pregnant. I've calmed down significantly. I was freaking out when I posted. I realize now it was stupid to post, but I wanted to see what you guys thought. I'm very glad to hear most of you think it's a UTI.

Bibble, she needs to see a doc for the UTI. She needs a prescription med to get rid of it.

Mosh is correct, your gf needs antibiotics to clear up any UTI.

BTW, be careful about sex while she is on antibiotics, some can reduce the efficacy of birth control pills.
 

sixone

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Originally posted by: crt1530
manowar821: Morality and ethics are not based on "what would make me the happiest/most successful." Abortion is legal. Despite my distaste for abortion, I would never try to make it illegal. Just don't try to pretend that using abortion as a form of birth control is moral/ethical. I don't care if people choose to have abortions, but I will never accept the assertion that it is a morally justifiable action.

Well said! :beer:
 

moshquerade

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Originally posted by: preCRT

Originally posted by: z0mb13
so is she preggors?

Yeah I just want an update from the OP.

I want update, this thread will go on forever without one,! update and end this story
[/quote]
:thumbsup:[/quote]

I can't give an update until next week, since that is when she is supposed to get her period.

Thank you to all who told me whether or not you think she is pregnant. I've calmed down significantly. I was freaking out when I posted. I realize now it was stupid to post, but I wanted to see what you guys thought. I'm very glad to hear most of you think it's a UTI.[/quote]

Bibble, she needs to see a doc for the UTI. She needs a prescription med to get rid of it.[/quote]

Mosh is correct, your gf needs antibiotics to clear up any UTI.

BTW, be careful about sex while she is on antibiotics, some can reduce the efficacy of birth control pills.[/quote]
Great advice about antibiotics reducing the efficacy of the bc pills. :thumbsup:

 

GTaudiophile

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For those who think that abortion does not kill a life/human being, you should go to the "Bodies" exhibit if/when it ever gets to your nearest major town or city.

I went this past weekend, and even after 28 days, the fetus has a body portion and a head portion with eyes. It only gets larger with more detail as time progresses.
 

Steve

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www.chicagopipeband.com
Originally posted by: Bibble
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: santz
Originally posted by: Roguestar
Originally posted by: z0mb13
so is she preggors?

Yeah I just want an update from the OP.

I want update, this thread will go on forever without one,! update and end this story
:thumbsup:

I can't give an update until next week, since that is when she is supposed to get her period.

Thank you to all who told me whether or not you think she is pregnant. I've calmed down significantly. I was freaking out when I posted. I realize now it was stupid to post, but I wanted to see what you guys thought. I'm very glad to hear most of you think it's a UTI.

Edit your first post in this thread to add the update(s) to it.
 

Howard

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Seems like a few are in favor of preventing abortions of the cells fertilized via casual sex. As far as I can tell, it's simply to punish the unlucky ones and for no other reason.