I think it's time governments make a formal apology to homosexuals re: the centuries of abuse imposed on us

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bamacre

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Originally posted by: lyssword
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: OdiN
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: stinkz
What exactly does our government have to apolgize for? We have given special rights to and are ready to change the definition of marriage for a small minority of people who engage in a particularly abhorrent sexual perversion.

for a start, how about the forced incarceration of homosexuals in psychiatric hospitals in the 1950s/ 60s in the USA, along with the electroshock treatment, aversion therapy, and lobotomies forced on homosexuals..? What happened to those people? Some of those men would still be alive, in their 70s, 80s.

Well they might have been trying to find a cure for the disease or something...I dunno, haven't read anything on that.


Which disease, Religion?


Maybe this will show you how some people deal with the "disease" http://www.answers.com/topic/persecution-of-christians, scroll down to soviet union part

Don't give him any ideas.
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: Phil
You know why no-one cares, aidanjm? Because you can't just get on with your life and stop being a whiney little b!tch. The Church is not going to apologise about their alledged treatment of homosexuals just because you want them to.

"I R GAY AND I DEMAND THAT EVERYONE WHO HAS OR HAD BAD THOUGHTS ABOUT TEH GAYS EVAR APOLOGISE NOW OR... er..." or what?

I'm pissed that the government won't allow me multiple wives (and chicken sammichs) but I don't go around yelling about it.

I have a dream. One of these days, you're gonna get that chicken sammich.
 

pinion9

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I personally think homosexuality should be treated as a sickness and gays should be treated for it. Lobotomy, chemical castration, etc. If everyone were gay then our species would die off. If you believe in evolution, and you believe in Darwin's theory of natural selection, then you also believe that being gay is a defect and will eventually be killed off.

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EatSpam

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Originally posted by: pinion9
I personally think homosexuality should be treated as a sickness and gays should be treated for it. Lobotomy, chemical castration, etc. If everyone were gay then our species would die off. If you believe in evolution, and you believe in Darwin's theory of natural selection, then you also believe that being gay is a defect and will eventually be killed off.

Did yer preacher teach you that? And why would the Intelligent Designer make gay people anyway?
 

pinion9

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Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: pinion9
I personally think homosexuality should be treated as a sickness and gays should be treated for it. Lobotomy, chemical castration, etc. If everyone were gay then our species would die off. If you believe in evolution, and you believe in Darwin's theory of natural selection, then you also believe that being gay is a defect and will eventually be killed off.

Did yer preacher teach you that? And why would the Intelligent Designer make gay people anyway?

Not a church goer, sorry. Don't know, for the same reason he made cancer, aids, bubonic plague, and every other abomination. Maybe he was bored.

 

EatSpam

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Originally posted by: pinion9
Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: pinion9
I personally think homosexuality should be treated as a sickness and gays should be treated for it. Lobotomy, chemical castration, etc. If everyone were gay then our species would die off. If you believe in evolution, and you believe in Darwin's theory of natural selection, then you also believe that being gay is a defect and will eventually be killed off.

Did yer preacher teach you that? And why would the Intelligent Designer make gay people anyway?

Not a church goer, sorry. Don't know, for the same reason he made cancer, aids, bubonic plague, and every other abomination. Maybe he was bored.

Yet you sound just like a fundie.
 

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Originally posted by" sandorskiThe very fact that the institution is exclusive to Heterosexuals makes it a celebration of Heterosexuality by default.

Marriage is a moral institution. It is not a celebration of heterosexuality; it is a celebration of human sexuality in its purest, moral form.

Marriage as the state defines it, because people can't even be bothered with simple honesty (upholding wedding vows) much less sexual purity, will continue to degrade until it is no longer recognizable as the wonderful institution our ancestors gave us.
 

Tab

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Originally posted by: stinkz
Originally posted by" sandorskiThe very fact that the institution is exclusive to Heterosexuals makes it a celebration of Heterosexuality by default.

Marriage is a moral institution. It is not a celebration of heterosexuality; it is a celebration of human sexuality in its purest, moral form.

Marriage as the state defines it, because people can't even be bothered with simple honesty (upholding wedding vows) much less sexual purity, will continue to degrade until it is no longer recognizable as the wonderful institution our ancestors gave us.

*ding* *ding* *ding* Do we have a winner?
 

palehorse

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You are attempting to alter a status quo that has been around since time began... GL with that!

apologies? ha! you should just be glad you dont live somewhere that allows stoning... seriously. (there's some sick people who would do it if they were allowed to!)

I have no personal objection to, or problem with, homosexuality. then again, im smart enough to realize that going through your lives hoping for some sort of "apology" is destined to leave you wanting... your best bet is to just move on and continue to survive given the status quo... perhaps it will change in another few hundred years...if you're lucky. But first, the entire world will have to switch to geneticly engineered reproduction... (think science fiction). Until that happens, the status quo will remain focused on a heterosexual populace.
 

Spamela

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Originally posted by: aidanjm
Past time, really.

edit: I'd also like to see a similar apology from churches, particularly the Catholic church

Catholic church teaching is fairly sympathetic to homosexuals,
if not homosexual acts, in contrast to some other major churches &
religions.
 

Banzai042

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Should the catholic church need to apologise to all the murderers that believe that their actions are perfectly fine, but because the church said that murder is wrong these people have been imprisoned? The problem with demanding that the church apologise for what homosexuals deem persecution is that part of the basis of christianity is that there are moral absolutes, and some things are flat out wrong (like murder, lying, stealing, and homosexuality among others). I don't believe that anybody has a right to arbitrarily torture or physically abuse any human being the way too many people do (beating/murdering blacks/gays/anybody of any religion) for any reason, and I am fairly irritated (to say the least) when people use the phrase "God hates gays", which I have every reason to believe is completely wrong. What those people who say that conveniently forget is that God loves everybody, it's just that people are made 'impure' or however you care to put it by sinful actions.
I think that at best an apology from the church for wrongful beatings/murder/execution might be realistic, but anything like demanding that christians and the church stop saying "This is something that we believe is wrong under this system of moral absolutes" is fairly unrealistic at best.
 

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Phil
You know why no-one cares, aidanjm? Because you can't just get on with your life and stop being a whiney little b!tch. The Church is not going to apologise about their alledged treatment of homosexuals just because you want them to.

"I R GAY AND I DEMAND THAT EVERYONE WHO HAS OR HAD BAD THOUGHTS ABOUT TEH GAYS EVAR APOLOGISE NOW OR... er..." or what?

I'm pissed that the government won't allow me multiple wives (and chicken sammichs) but I don't go around yelling about it.

I have a dream. One of these days, you're gonna get that chicken sammich.

*sigh* One day....

Some hawt lesbians eating chicken sammichs would be better.
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: stinkz
Originally posted by" sandorskiThe very fact that the institution is exclusive to Heterosexuals makes it a celebration of Heterosexuality by default.

Marriage is a moral institution. It is not a celebration of heterosexuality; it is a celebration of human sexuality in its purest, moral form.

Marriage as the state defines it, because people can't even be bothered with simple honesty (upholding wedding vows) much less sexual purity, will continue to degrade until it is no longer recognizable as the wonderful institution our ancestors gave us.

A celebration of human sexuality? Wow. :roll:

Marriage is about Love.
 

bamacre

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Phil
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Phil
You know why no-one cares, aidanjm? Because you can't just get on with your life and stop being a whiney little b!tch. The Church is not going to apologise about their alledged treatment of homosexuals just because you want them to.

"I R GAY AND I DEMAND THAT EVERYONE WHO HAS OR HAD BAD THOUGHTS ABOUT TEH GAYS EVAR APOLOGISE NOW OR... er..." or what?

I'm pissed that the government won't allow me multiple wives (and chicken sammichs) but I don't go around yelling about it.

I have a dream. One of these days, you're gonna get that chicken sammich.

*sigh* One day....

Some hawt lesbians eating chicken sammichs would be better.

Sounds like an interesting porn site, Phil.
 

alchemize

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I want homosexuals to apologize for every male/male or female/female child molestation that has ever occurred.
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: alchemize
I want homosexuals to apologize for every male/male or female/female child molestation that has ever occurred.

ok, in defense of the homosexuals, I dont think that there is any coorelation between the two actions at all. that's as ridiculous as asking all heterosexuals to apologize for all male/female or female/male molestations... AFAIK, homosexuals are no more likely to molest than heteros.

then again, i think that dreaming of apologies for anything is ridiculous. as the saying goes, you can hope for an apology in one hand, and sh*t in the other, and I think you know which one will fill up first...
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: alchemize
I want homosexuals to apologize for every male/male or female/female child molestation that has ever occurred.

ok, in defense of the homosexuals, I dont think that there is any coorelation between the two actions at all. that's as ridiculous as asking all heterosexuals to apologize for all male/female or female/male molestations... AFAIK, homosexuals are no more likely to molest than heteros.

then again, i think that dreaming of apologies for anything is ridiculous. as the saying goes, you can hope for an apology in one hand, and sh*t in the other, and I think you know which one will fill up first...
I was just following along with the OP's logic :)