I think it's absurd that people think Iraq=Vietnam

[Tom]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: loki8481
there's more to the comparison than the simple death count?

And what exactly is that comparison? The fact that the left is against the war? The fact that we have some crazy anti-war protesters? Or the fact that John Kerry is accusing American soldiers of awful acts?

How about it's another war we are mixed up in, where we don't really have much to say about how it's ultimately going to turn out ?

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: goku
BTW, incase you guys didn't realize, the same ****** happened after WWII, you just didn't have a 247 media station giving 'updates' on the siutation. People these days are so influenced by the media that they really believe that all of Iraq is just as insane as depicted on TV when it's really only certain areas.. Look, we all know war is bad but with war, casualties are practically synonomous with war, it's a fact.

Like Anbar province and Baghdad? That represents a very sizable portion of the population. The same thing did not happen in WWII, again get educated.

I think that this is a common misconception. While Germany did have Werewolf after the war, it was poorly funded and organized. It only accomplished minor disruptions, no major roadside bombs, explosions, or sabotage. It dissolved into the background within 6 months.

Japan was much different. The population was more or less utterly defeated.

WW2 is so different from Iraq or Vietnam that anybody who draws comparisons is just plain stupid.

It's happened before. I can't remember who it was exactly, but some mensa member on here was trying to convice me that Iraq/Al Qaeda == Japan/Germany. He didn't even know who declared war on whom in WW2.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: brandonbull
SMART PEOPLE do not join the military. Patriotic or desperate people do. SMART PEOPLE use their college education to earn money and not to kill.

Are you implying recruits cannot be both patriotic AND smart?

I think that you and John Kerry would get along very well.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: goku

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: goku

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: goku
Hahaha, you guys make it look like the war is going terribly, it's not going terribly, it's just a stupid media event that is making it seem really bad. The things I've seen that have gone wrong are, the money that has been spent, the total media coverage, and them not allowing our troops to use their own armor, and few other things. Look, if we had the media coverage during WWII like we do today, do you guys really believe that we could have won the war? We would have pussied out and negotiated way before entering the war because of the huge death count in europe.

Your ignorance know no bounds.

In WWII we were fighting for our survival, the death tolls were reported (you think the public new nothing of the tolls from D Day or the Kamikazee strikes in the Pacific) There were dail blackouts, shortages of material anmd every day goods plus everybody knew someone who lost a family member and almost every family had a family member in the service.

Well with the continued 'pussification' of america, it would appear that what I mention above would have happened. Just because a family member died in the war, doesn't mean they had a god damned clue as to what was going on.

OK let me stop you there. What makes you so sure they hadn't a "God Damned Clue"? What makes you think you have a clue? You don't believe that thousands of letters addressed to Mothers by the Dept of War after the battle of Iwo Jima gave them a clue to the horrors of war?

Sure they died and they can get all patriotic about it but they were clueless as to how horrifying war can be, but now that we have media 24/7, everybody gets to see and then they cry when they see what war is really like. Hey, thats like vietnam!

What do you know about Viet Nam, I doubt you were even alive when that war was going on.

Well considering that you're not much older than me, I doubt you have a clue as to what you're talking about either. The one difference that sets apart me and you is that I've already voiced my opinions to the generation that had to live through that crap, and guess what? They agree!

Dumb ass, I'm a Baby Boomer which means I lived during Nam and my Parents were the generation that fought in WWII. Don't even try to tell me what it was like during the 60's or during WWII because I either lived it or heard about it first hand. As for people of my generation agreeing with you, I doubt they'd give a fscktard like you the time of day when you start spouting your ignorant crap.

 

[sierrita]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: loki8481
there's more to the comparison than the simple death count?

And what exactly is that comparison? The fact that the left is against the war? The fact that we have some crazy anti-war protesters? Or the fact that John Kerry is accusing American soldiers of awful acts?

How about the fact that 8 out of 10 Americans oppose it?

 

[ebaycj]

Goku,

You admit 3000 deaths in Iraq.

You forget 21000 wounded in iraq, most of whom would have died in vietnam (whether it be due to having MUCH worse medical treatment back then, or due to having lower quality protective gear back then). Let's say that 75% of these would have died had they been in Vietnam then vs. being in Iraq now.

3000 + ( 21000 * 0.75 ) = 18750

18750 deaths (by estimated vietnam measure). There is your reason why people make the comparison.

 

[brandonbull]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: brandonbull
SMART PEOPLE do not join the military. Patriotic or desperate people do. SMART PEOPLE use their college education to earn money and not to kill.

Are you implying recruits cannot be both patriotic AND smart?

I think that you and John Kerry would get along very well.

We can place bets. I'll bet against patriotic AND smart and you can bet for that and we'll see who wins.

Numbers don't lie. I served 5 years in the military so I DO have some qualifications to speak. So you are saying that the military is more or less educated than the general population?

I know that the military as a whole is less educated than the general work force.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: brandonbull

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: brandonbull
SMART PEOPLE do not join the military. Patriotic or desperate people do. SMART PEOPLE use their college education to earn money and not to kill.

Are you implying recruits cannot be both patriotic AND smart?

I think that you and John Kerry would get along very well.

We can place bets. I'll bet against patriotic AND smart and you can bet for that and we'll see who wins.

Numbers don't lie. I served 5 years in the military so I DO have some qualifications to speak. So you are saying that the military is more or less educated than the general population?

I know that the military as a whole is less educated than the general work force.

Educated and smart have nothing to do with one another. I met plenty of uneducated smart people when I was in the army.

Don't reply right away. Think about it and get back to me.

 

[TravisT]

Vietnam is much different than Iraq. I've heard the point made that this is the only war is history where if we simply leave the battlefield the enemy is likely to come home with us to our own soil. A totally different circumstance than what we had in Vietnam.

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: TravisT
Vietnam is much different than Iraq. I've heard the point made that this is the only war is history where if we simply leave the battlefield the enemy is likely to come home with us to our own soil. A totally different circumstance than what we had in Vietnam.

I can't believe you're quoting the "fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them here" strawman. Rove would be proud.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: TravisT
Vietnam is much different than Iraq. I've heard the point made that this is the only war is history where if we simply leave the battlefield the enemy is likely to come home with us to our own soil. A totally different circumstance than what we had in Vietnam.

Hey TravisT, here's an idea. Fight your *own* battles in your *own* back yard. That way you won't be a coward.

For example: How would you like it if I was in a dispute with your neighbor. Instead of him attacking me in my house and me attacking him in his, we just take our war to *your* back yard. We kill *your* family. We destroy *your* house. All because neither of us wanted to get our own yard dirty.

Then, to justify *our* war in *your* backyard, we say that we wanted to be proactive and that Americans are worth more than your pathetic family.


People talk about the "pussification" of America. Look at it right here. We are so cowardly that we have to proxy fight terrorists because we are too chicken to fight it here.

 

[imported_goku]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: brandonbull
SMART PEOPLE do not join the military. Patriotic or desperate people do. SMART PEOPLE use their college education to earn money and not to kill.

Are you implying recruits cannot be both patriotic AND smart?

I think that you and John Kerry would get along very well.

Agreed, hes just a douchebag. Sure I'd like to work in the private sector, but that doesn't mean that I couldn't/should enlist after wards part time.

 

[imported_goku]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: goku

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: goku

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: goku
Hahaha, you guys make it look like the war is going terribly, it's not going terribly, it's just a stupid media event that is making it seem really bad. The things I've seen that have gone wrong are, the money that has been spent, the total media coverage, and them not allowing our troops to use their own armor, and few other things. Look, if we had the media coverage during WWII like we do today, do you guys really believe that we could have won the war? We would have pussied out and negotiated way before entering the war because of the huge death count in europe.

Your ignorance know no bounds.

In WWII we were fighting for our survival, the death tolls were reported (you think the public new nothing of the tolls from D Day or the Kamikazee strikes in the Pacific) There were dail blackouts, shortages of material anmd every day goods plus everybody knew someone who lost a family member and almost every family had a family member in the service.

Well with the continued 'pussification' of america, it would appear that what I mention above would have happened. Just because a family member died in the war, doesn't mean they had a god damned clue as to what was going on.

OK let me stop you there. What makes you so sure they hadn't a "God Damned Clue"? What makes you think you have a clue? You don't believe that thousands of letters addressed to Mothers by the Dept of War after the battle of Iwo Jima gave them a clue to the horrors of war?

Sure they died and they can get all patriotic about it but they were clueless as to how horrifying war can be, but now that we have media 24/7, everybody gets to see and then they cry when they see what war is really like. Hey, thats like vietnam!

What do you know about Viet Nam, I doubt you were even alive when that war was going on.

Well considering that you're not much older than me, I doubt you have a clue as to what you're talking about either. The one difference that sets apart me and you is that I've already voiced my opinions to the generation that had to live through that crap, and guess what? They agree!

Dumb ass, I'm a Baby Boomer which means I lived during Nam and my Parents were the generation that fought in WWII. Don't even try to tell me what it was like during the 60's or during WWII because I either lived it or heard about it first hand. As for people of my generation agreeing with you, I doubt they'd give a fscktard like you the time of day when you start spouting your ignorant crap.

Well if you're a baby boomer, you're either extremely liberal, ignorant or an idiot. So you think Iraq is just like vietnam?

 

[bsobel]

but that doesn't mean that I couldn't/should enlist after wards part time.

What were you thinking, say Wednesdays on the 8 to midnight shift and then perhaps Saturdays from 10am to 4pm?

 

[bsobel]

Well if you're a baby boomer, you're either extremely liberal, ignorant or an idiot.

Why does it have to be 'or'? We don't ask if your a troll OR stupid.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: goku
People wouldn't be calling it vietnam I assure you if there weren't people dying everyday. Also another term I find extremely funny is 'illegal war'. :laugh:

What makes you think it's legal? Every reason the Bushwhackos gave for starting it has been proven to be a lie following lie, following lie, followed by more lies. Thier lies have cost almost 3,000 dead and tens of thousands of wounded American troops, tens to hundreds of thousands of other deaths, trillions of dollars of debt your greatgrandchildren will still be paying off. They've used their specious war as an excuse to shred the rights of every American guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution.
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I'm laughing at the phrase 'illegal war' you artard.

I believe it is you who is the artard.

Hahaha, you guys make it look like the war is going terribly, it's not going terribly, it's just a stupid media event that is making it seem really bad.

You're also reading and comprehension challenged.

The only ones who are truely bitching are the ones who aren't willing to scarifice their lives for this country. I'm too young to go into the military because I don't have the proper education that I would need in order to go.

We know -- You're the child Bush left behind. You're just a junior chickenhawk, hiding behind your age. You're all mouth and no balls or brains. I wish you could go, now. It would contribute to improving the gene pool. :laugh:

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: TravisT
Vietnam is much different than Iraq. I've heard the point made that this is the only war is history where if we simply leave the battlefield the enemy is likely to come home with us to our own soil. A totally different circumstance than what we had in Vietnam.

AH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

Where did you hear that "point"? Limbaugh? O'Reilly? Coulter?


Fvcking THINK!!


How many Iraqi Sunnis and Shiites were busting down our borders to attack us? HMMMMMM???


HOW MANY???

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: goku
Well if you're a baby boomer, you're either extremely liberal, ignorant or an idiot. So you think Iraq is just like vietnam?

Hey, brain surgeon. Your idol, the W, is a baby boomer. Considering he's not extremely liberal, I guess he's just ignorant or an idiot!

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: goku
Hahaha, you guys make it look like the war is going terribly, it's not going terribly, it's just a stupid media event that is making it seem really bad. The things I've seen that have gone wrong are, the money that has been spent, the total media coverage, and them not allowing our troops to use their own armor, and few other things. Look, if we had the media coverage during WWII like we do today, do you guys really believe that we could have won the war? We would have pussied out and negotiated way before entering the war because of the huge death count in europe.

Yeah....things are going GREAT!!

U.N.: Nearly 100,000 flee Iraq monthly
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061103/ap_on_re_mi_ea/un_refugees_iraq

Southern Iraq approaches the tipping point
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/11/02/wiraq02.xml

A US government agency that has exposed corruption in Iraqi reconstruction projects will close in 2007.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6114132.stm

Kidnapped US soldier ?in the hands of Baathists?
http://www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/Displa...r2006&file=World_News2006110421617.xml

Iraqi police find 56 bodies in Baghdad
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2006-11/03/content_5287073.htm

US Daily fatality rate last month: 3.52 (deadliest month for US troops since Jan. 2005)
US Daily fatality rate for Nov.: 3.67

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: goku
I just don't see how people can see how Iraq=vietnam..... 57,000 deaths in vietnam, 3,000 deaths in Iraq, there is no way in hell that is the same.

What I see is the same loud talk without the courage to back it up.... Like Cheney, like Rummy, like Bush et all... Don't be a coward like those who have sent others to die, goku

 

[homercles337]

Originally posted by: TravisT
Vietnam is much different than Iraq. I've heard the point made that this is the only war is history where if we simply leave the battlefield the enemy is likely to come home with us to our own soil. A totally different circumstance than what we had in Vietnam.

Ha! :laugh: Ha! :laugh:

Looks like Pens1566 beat me to this one, but i still found it hill*effing*arious!

 

[tomywishbone]

"... I've heard the point made that this is the only war is history where if we simply leave the battlefield the enemy is likely to come home with us to our own soil..."

An all-time classic. Beautiful.:laugh::laugh:

 

[bobdelt]

Imagine the US having more casualties than in Viet Nam, in six weeks.

I wouldnt be suprised if we do... seeing how 200 people a month are murdered in california alone

 

[bobdelt]

WHAT THE F**K DOES ANYTHING HAVE TO DO WITH VIETNAM???? EVERYTHING IS GOD DAMN TRAVESTY WITH YOU...!!

R.I.P. Donny...

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: goku

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Dumb ass, I'm a Baby Boomer which means I lived during Nam and my Parents were the generation that fought in WWII. Don't even try to tell me what it was like during the 60's or during WWII because I either lived it or heard about it first hand. As for people of my generation agreeing with you, I doubt they'd give a fscktard like you the time of day when you start spouting your ignorant crap.

Well if you're a baby boomer, you're either extremely liberal, ignorant or an idiot.

Hmmm would you mind explaining how you came to this conclusion?

So you think Iraq is just like vietnam?

Well it's alike in the sense that both were unecessary and extremely unpopular wars with no real chance of having a positive outcome for the US. It also had the same effect of our actions in Vietnam by making the region more unstable than it was prior to our getting militarily involved. Another similarity is that our troops are fighting an enemy who is mixed in with the population making it hard for them to determine who are the good guys and the bad guys plus the Iraqi troops are like the South Vietnamese troops, worthless unless there are American troops alongside them fighting.

One thing I pray is not similar is that when we finally do p[ull out we don't bring a bunch of refugess back with us like we did after Viet Nam. I don't think our culture could survive an influx of Bat Sh1t crazy religious fanatics who unlike the boat people will not assimilate into our culture.