I think Biden is toast in a general election because..

[Indus]

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-segregationist-senators-civility_n_5d0a352ae4b0e560b70c6f46

From the article:

Joe Biden, the 76-year-old former vice president who hopes to secure the Democratic presidential nomination, invoked a time of more “civility” in politics at a Tuesday night fundraiser by naming two unapologetically racist past colleagues.
Speaking at a New York City hotel, Biden recalled his working relationships with the late Sens. James Eastland (D-Miss.) and Herman Talmadge (D-Ga.), who served under a much more uneven Democratic party platform. Both men fiercely opposed desegregation.

One of the senators reportedly advocated for genocide of black Americans.

The Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Robert Caro reported that Eastland once publicly stated that pro-segregation efforts were being stymied by “black, slimy, juicy, unbearably stinking n****rs.” According to Caro, Eastland essentially called for black American genocide: “When in the course of human events it becomes necessary to abolish the Negro race, proper methods should be used. Among these are guns, bows and arrows, slingshots and knives.”

First elected in 1942, Eastland voiced open derision for black people, once calling the Supreme Court’s 1954 ruling in Brown v. Board of Education ― which led to public school desegregation ― a “monstrous crime.” His 1986 New York Times obituary stated that he was “best known nationally as a symbol of Southern resistance to racial desegregation” and noted that he frequently complained about “possible ‘mongrelization’ of the races” on the Senate floor.
Yet he wielded considerable power in the Senate Judiciary Committee, serving as its chairman for 22 years. According to an obituary in the Los Angeles Times, Eastland once forced President John F. Kennedy to name an ally of his to the federal bench in exchange for backing Kennedy’s Supreme Court pick, Thurgood Marshall.
From the Los Angeles Times:

By one account, which originated with the late Robert F. Kennedy, Eastland told the then-attorney general: “You tell your brother if he gives me [Harold] Cox, I will give him his n****r.”​

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This is more baggage than Hillary's emails.. infact it threatens the very base. But if people think the far left is too extreme (according to main stream media which is why they're fawning over Biden).. so I might be wrong.. LOLs.

I still think he'll fizzle out in the primary like he did before.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-segregationist-senators-civility_n_5d0a352ae4b0e560b70c6f46

From the article:

Joe Biden, the 76-year-old former vice president who hopes to secure the Democratic presidential nomination, invoked a time of more “civility” in politics at a Tuesday night fundraiser by naming two unapologetically racist past colleagues.
Speaking at a New York City hotel, Biden recalled his working relationships with the late Sens. James Eastland (D-Miss.) and Herman Talmadge (D-Ga.), who served under a much more uneven Democratic party platform. Both men fiercely opposed desegregation.

One of the senators reportedly advocated for genocide of black Americans.

The Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Robert Caro reported that Eastland once publicly stated that pro-segregation efforts were being stymied by “black, slimy, juicy, unbearably stinking n****rs.” According to Caro, Eastland essentially called for black American genocide: “When in the course of human events it becomes necessary to abolish the Negro race, proper methods should be used. Among these are guns, bows and arrows, slingshots and knives.”

First elected in 1942, Eastland voiced open derision for black people, once calling the Supreme Court’s 1954 ruling in Brown v. Board of Education ― which led to public school desegregation ― a “monstrous crime.” His 1986 New York Times obituary stated that he was “best known nationally as a symbol of Southern resistance to racial desegregation” and noted that he frequently complained about “possible ‘mongrelization’ of the races” on the Senate floor.
Yet he wielded considerable power in the Senate Judiciary Committee, serving as its chairman for 22 years. According to an obituary in the Los Angeles Times, Eastland once forced President John F. Kennedy to name an ally of his to the federal bench in exchange for backing Kennedy’s Supreme Court pick, Thurgood Marshall.
From the Los Angeles Times:

By one account, which originated with the late Robert F. Kennedy, Eastland told the then-attorney general: “You tell your brother if he gives me [Harold] Cox, I will give him his n****r.”​

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This is more baggage than Hillary's emails.. infact it threatens the very base. But if people think the far left is too extreme (according to main stream media which is why they're fawning over Biden).. so I might be wrong.. LOLs.

I still think he'll fizzle out in the primary like he did before.

So, wait, he was pointing out the fact that even in the face of these un-apologetically racist shitbags, he was still able to interface with them and get stuff done, but this is baggage on Biden? Am I misreading this?

Biden, who was elected to the Senate in 1973, told the crowd how Eastland used to call him “son,” rather than “boy,” and labelled Talmadge “one of the meanest guys I ever knew.”

“Well guess what? At least there was some civility,” Biden continued. “We got things done. We didn’t agree on much of anything. We got things done. We got it finished. But today, you look at the other side and you’re the enemy. Not the opposition, the enemy. We don’t talk to each other anymore.”

 

[blackangst1]

There are very fine people on both sides

 

[cytg111]

Biden is a gentleman. A gentleman is not what you need right now.

 

[Indus]

There are very fine people on both sides

Yeah the dem version of that..

It was one thing when Obama said his grandmother said shit that made him wince but he knew she loved him.. but I don't think Biden can pull it off..

 

[soulcougher73]

I hope its not Biden. He is just more of the same. Typical Dem of the past.

 

[ivwshane]

My hope is that Biden is merely a punching bag for trump to allow the Democrats to present their ideas and differentiate to each other without outside meddling.

 

[jackstar7]

I'd prefer Biden not make it to the general in the first place.

 

[Commodus]

While Biden might not be the ideal candidate, I'll say this: if he wins the primary nod, we absolutely have to throw our weight behind him. The last thing the US needs is more of Trump eroding principles of democracy and decency just because some people couldn't get Sanders or Warren.

 

[DrunkenSano]

Biden would be a horrible candidate and definitely not my pick for President if I had a choice. What's really fucked up is media is already trying to secure Biden's spot and steering next election towards Biden vs Trump.

 

[hal2kilo]

Biden would be a horrible candidate and definitely not my pick for President if I had a choice. What's really fucked up is media is already trying to secure Biden's spot and steering next election towards Biden vs Trump.

Funny that liberal media strikes again. What a joke.

 

[ivwshane]

Biden would be a horrible candidate and definitely not my pick for President if I had a choice. What's really fucked up is media is already trying to secure Biden's spot and steering next election towards Biden vs Trump.

What media is that?

 

[soulcougher73]

While Biden might not be the ideal candidate, I'll say this: if he wins the primary nod, we absolutely have to throw our weight behind him. The last thing the US needs is more of Trump eroding principles of democracy and decency just because some people couldn't get Sanders or Warren.

Normally i wouldn't agree with this tactic, but given HOW bad Trump is. I think its necessary this go round.

 

[kage69]

Warren is the way to go, but I will support Biden if he gets the nomination. As time goes on, I see more and more reasons it shouldn't be him, but ultimately he is still magnitudes better than a dementia riddled criminal with a room temp IQ and dictator envy.

 

[Moonbeam]

The issue is that you create what you fear. The authoritarian right has become so extreme in their fear and demonizing of the left they have provoked the inevitable reaction, a left that is equally but oppositely authoritarian.

Biden represents the logical and rational approach to dealing with the right at a time when they were less insane, and an approach we should all hope to see one day again. It is better to accommodate to differing points of view and compromise, it's, as Biden says, what America was founded on and seen in our three branch separation of powers, but that philosophy has been corrupted by the right and now there is a growing sentiment on the left to do the same right back. Whatever Democrats do to accommodate to changing attitudes and the frustration an insane right creates, I hope the realization that an authoritarian left is just as dangerous as an authoritarian right and that Biden represents, if an outdated at this moment of time, an approach that is more proper for out system as it was created.

We create what we fear and if we become an authoritarian leftist country, that will create an even more radical right set out to destroy it, as every leftist authoritarian will fear. We swing our own pendulum because we will not become conscious of what we feel. Humanity is asleep and operates mechanically. But what human wants to be a machine? Perhaps, though, a better question is, 'Who does not?'

 

[ImpulsE69]

It shouldn't be him, but...not many good choices. Much the same as when Hillary ran. The only hope at this point is that enough R's are pissed and turned on Trump and all the independents (such as myself) vote dem regardless who runs.

 

[Commodus]

Normally i wouldn't agree with this tactic, but given HOW bad Trump is. I think its necessary this go round.

I'd say it's a good idea any time the main opposition candidate is particularly vile. Perfection is the enemy of good and all that. And let's face it -- until the current crop of GOP politicians and and presidential candidates is out of the picture, there'll be a non-stop cavalcade of crappy alternatives to the Democrats.

 

[ImpulsE69]

The issue is that you create what you fear. The authoritarian right has become so extreme in their fear and demonizing of the left they have provoked the inevitable reaction, a left that is equally but oppositely authoritarian.

Biden represents the logical and rational approach to dealing with the right at a time when they were less insane, and an approach we should all hope to see one day again. It is better to accommodate to differing points of view and compromise, it's, as Biden says, what America was founded on and seen in our three branch separation of powers, but that philosophy has been corrupted by the right and now there is a growing sentiment on the left to do the same right back. Whatever Democrats do to accommodate to changing attitudes and the frustration an insane right creates, I hope the realization that an authoritarian left is just as dangerous as an authoritarian right and that Biden represents, if an outdated at this moment of time, an approach that is more proper for out system as it was created.

We create what we fear and if we become an authoritarian leftist country, that will create an even more radical right set out to destroy it, as every leftist authoritarian will fear. We swing our own pendulum because we will not become conscious of what we feel. Humanity is asleep and operates mechanically. But what human wants to be a machine? Perhaps, though, a better question is, 'Who does not?'

Wow, I agree with this, but I am going to assume most don't. Many will state that the left could never do the things the right do, which I don't agree with. We already see it on a smaller scale with the most vocal of the bunch.

 

[Moonbeam]

Warren is the way to go, but I will support Biden if he gets the nomination. As time goes on, I see more and more reasons it shouldn't be him, but ultimately he is still magnitudes better than a dementia riddled criminal with a room temp IQ and dictator envy.

Interestingly enough, I find your recommendation a very appealing accommodation to the impulses dividing the Democratic party. She represents an interesting appeal to progressive goals couched in capitalist rather than socialist terms, regulation of capitalism rather that revolution. Her 2% wealth tax is a good example and quite popular even on the conservative side. Hopefully she will emerge as a fit between these two poles that make up the Democrat Party.

 

[Moonbeam]

Wow, I agree with this, but I am going to assume most don't. Many will state that the left could never do the things the right do, which I don't agree with. We already see it on a smaller scale with the most vocal of the bunch.

I believe the dilemma is ancient and seen within the three Abrahamic religions. The Jews offered salvation by obedience to the law with the hypocrisy of those who hide behind it prompting the Christian notion of forgiveness for sin, with the hypocrisy that one can always be forgiven which prompted the Islamic notion one does not roll over for every sin committed, that evil will be opposed with maximum vigor right up to and ending when the offender offers up surrender and asks for mercy. Then it is demanded that one allow forgiveness for that one transgression, and one time only. Then you pay the price.

The human impulse to forgive and accommodate should not be stretched so far that evil conquers and destroys that impulse where only an eye for an eye remains.

 

[blackangst1]

I bet this girl and her parents wouldnt happy if creepy Joe were elected

 

[UglyCasanova]

He’s Jeb Bush. Coming in strong due to name recognition but drowned out by the energy of the other candidates.

 

[Indus]

The issue is that you create what you fear. The authoritarian right has become so extreme in their fear and demonizing of the left they have provoked the inevitable reaction, a left that is equally but oppositely authoritarian.

Biden represents the logical and rational approach to dealing with the right at a time when they were less insane, and an approach we should all hope to see one day again. It is better to accommodate to differing points of view and compromise, it's, as Biden says, what America was founded on and seen in our three branch separation of powers, but that philosophy has been corrupted by the right and now there is a growing sentiment on the left to do the same right back. Whatever Democrats do to accommodate to changing attitudes and the frustration an insane right creates, I hope the realization that an authoritarian left is just as dangerous as an authoritarian right and that Biden represents, if an outdated at this moment of time, an approach that is more proper for out system as it was created.

We create what we fear and if we become an authoritarian leftist country, that will create an even more radical right set out to destroy it, as every leftist authoritarian will fear. We swing our own pendulum because we will not become conscious of what we feel. Humanity is asleep and operates mechanically. But what human wants to be a machine? Perhaps, though, a better question is, 'Who does not?'

Hopefully before that, we well and truly divide the country literally.

 

[Indus]

It shouldn't be him, but...not many good choices. Much the same as when Hillary ran. The only hope at this point is that enough R's are pissed and turned on Trump and all the independents (such as myself) vote dem regardless who runs.

I hope that's sarcasm.

We have good candidates.. Warren, Booty, Harris, Bernie and Beto. In any other cycle, we'd be immensely impressed with any and all of them, now the fact that Trump won has made people lose their senses as to what is good vs bad and what is a lie vs not.

 

[glenn1]

Biden would be a horrible candidate and definitely not my pick for President if I had a choice. What's really fucked up is media is already trying to secure Biden's spot and steering next election towards Biden vs Trump.

Biden is like Truck stop sushi in Nebraska - unappetizing, full of old ingredients, bland yet off-putting, likely won’t kill you but you’ll feel bad about picking it.

Trump is like a sandwich of rotten meat with rat droppings on top.