I see a recurring theme of some of the liberal posters...

[Pliablemoose]

Ok, several themes here & I'm curious if they're just going to be insurmountable..

1.) Bush lied to the public, & is responsible for thousands of deaths.

So where do we go from here? I see it posted over & over, but I don't see a solution or any middle ground. What is your proposed resolution to the claim about being misled into an unjust war?

2.) The war in Iraq.

Considering we're already there, have invaded, and an exit in the forseeable future would lead the country into a bloody civil war what are your proposed solutions to ending the war?

(At least it's not another thread giving advice to the Dems about how to win an election )

 

[T2T III]

Welcome to P&N.

 

[jjzelinski]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Ok, several themes here & I'm curious if they're just going to be insurmountable..

1.) Bush lied to the public, & is responsible for thousands of deaths.

So where do we go from here? I see it posted over & over, but I don't see a solution or any middle ground. What is your proposed resolution to the claim about being misled into an unjust war?

2.) The war in Iraq.

Considering we're already there, have invaded, and an exit in the forseeable future would lead the country into a bloody civil war what are your proposed solutions to ending the war?

(At least it's not another thread giving advice to the Dems about how to win an election )

Well for starters compensation would consist of, at a minimum, canning the morons who got us into the mess.

 

[Tab]

For starters, get the troops the equipment they deserve. Like Desert Camoflage, Penatrator vests and Armored Humvees.

 

[alphatarget1]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Ok, several themes here & I'm curious if they're just going to be insurmountable..

1.) Bush lied to the public, & is responsible for thousands of deaths.

So where do we go from here? I see it posted over & over, but I don't see a solution or any middle ground. What is your proposed resolution to the claim about being misled into an unjust war?

2.) The war in Iraq.

Considering we're already there, have invaded, and an exit in the forseeable future would lead the country into a bloody civil war what are your proposed solutions to ending the war?

(At least it's not another thread giving advice to the Dems about how to win an election )

1. I'm not a liberal. I don't have to be liberal to see the damage done from the lies of the 1st Bush administration. If you can't see a problem with his lies (or better yet, he didn't lie at all) then I feel pity for you. Bush needs to admit his mistakes and do the right thing.

2. Again, don't try to excuse Bush's incompetence on Iraq. What are the chances that Iraq will never be the same again and we'll just keep mounting up with casualties? At what point do we say "stop, this is enough, we are pulling out"? Kurds, Sunnis and Shit'tes do not get along and they probably never will. Cheney talked about going into Iraq in the 1st Gulf War and he was dead on. Too bad he didn't share the same opinion this time around.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: Tiles2Tech
Welcome to P&N.

Hey at least the mods haven't had to ban any more than one person that sent me an incredibly rude PM today, funny thing is, I'd only pissed off one person @ that point today... & the poster only had one post & registered yesterday from Poland or a spoofed IP...

hmmm...

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

1. I'm not a liberal. I don't have to be liberal to see the damage done from the lies of the 1st Bush administration. If you can't see a problem with his lies (or better yet, he didn't lie at all) then I feel pity for you. Bush needs to admit his mistakes and do the right thing.

2. Again, don't try to excuse Bush's incompetence on Iraq. What are the chances that Iraq will never be the same again and we'll just keep mounting up with casualties? At what point do we say "stop, this is enough, we are pulling out"? Kurds, Sunnis and Shit'tes do not get along and they probably never will. Cheney talked about going into Iraq in the 1st Gulf War and he was dead on. Too bad he didn't share the same opinion this time around.

Hey, cut me some slack here, I'm asking if there are any possible resolutions, not a rephrasing of your gripes...

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1
If you can't see a problem with his lies (or better yet, he didn't lie at all) then I feel pity for you.

Interesting that there has never been evidence of Bush lying, but the left preaches it like the gospel. There has, OTOH, been evidence of him being intentionally fed wrong information by "allies", but that is brushed under the table.

 

[jpeyton]

The problem is that your elected official doesn't even have a strategy for Iraq. You ask us "where do we go from here" when you should be holding his administration responsible.

But you don't. You apologize for his mistakes and you believe his line about holding ground in Iraq. The problem is that all he wants to do is hold his ground; his goal is a lengthy occupation and a permanent military presence.

Ask yourself, does America really care for the security of Iraqis? Because if they did, they wouldn't apologize for Bush destroying their country of their security.

Kerry would have given the Iraqi's the tools to figure the mess over there out for themselves while pulling the troops out.

 

[alphatarget1]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

1. I'm not a liberal. I don't have to be liberal to see the damage done from the lies of the 1st Bush administration. If you can't see a problem with his lies (or better yet, he didn't lie at all) then I feel pity for you. Bush needs to admit his mistakes and do the right thing.

2. Again, don't try to excuse Bush's incompetence on Iraq. What are the chances that Iraq will never be the same again and we'll just keep mounting up with casualties? At what point do we say "stop, this is enough, we are pulling out"Kurds, Sunnis and Shit'tes do not get along and they probably never will. Cheney talked about going into Iraq in the 1st Gulf War and he was dead on. Too bad he didn't share the same opinion this time around.

Hey, cut me some slack here, I'm asking if there are any possible resolutions, not a rephrasing of your gripes...

Read.

 

[alphatarget1]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: alphatarget1
If you can't see a problem with his lies (or better yet, he didn't lie at all) then I feel pity for you.

Interesting that there has never been evidence of Bush lying, but the left preaches it like the gospel. There has, OTOH, been evidence of him being intentionally fed wrong information by "allies", but that is brushed under the table.

"never been evidence of Bush lying" is the best line I've heard yet. Google.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1


1. Bush needs to admit his mistakes and do the right thing.

2. "stop, this is enough, we are pulling out"

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Fair enough... Thanks.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
The problem is that your elected official doesn't even have a strategy for Iraq.

And yours does? BTW, who is your elected offical?

 

[imported_Aelius]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Ok, several themes here & I'm curious if they're just going to be insurmountable..

1.) Bush lied to the public, & is responsible for thousands of deaths.

So where do we go from here? I see it posted over & over, but I don't see a solution or any middle ground. What is your proposed resolution to the claim about being misled into an unjust war?

2.) The war in Iraq.

Considering we're already there, have invaded, and an exit in the forseeable future would lead the country into a bloody civil war what are your proposed solutions to ending the war?

(At least it's not another thread giving advice to the Dems about how to win an election )

1. Accountability. You are looking at dozens of White House senior staff including the President spending time in jail for the rest of their natural lives. I'm not even sure what the charge would be. Negligent Homicide? I don't know I'm not a lawyer. Lets not forget people at the Justice department, possibly Senate and House if they took an active part in working this lie, assuming they knew it to be a lie, and of course many in the intelligence community most notably at the top where decisions are made, not the bottom where it is simply collected and put together for decision makers to decide.

Funny story tho.... as it turns out... there is no accountability in American, or really just about any other nations, politics.

2. Change of tactics are in order.

They are dropping 500lb bombs on "any concentrated enemy activity, or safe houses etc etc" in the middle of a city. How about we don't treat a guerrilla war as a conventional war.

There are ways of winning and actually accomplishing the goal set forth but it's not accomplished at the pointy end of a 500lb dummy bomb. They need to change from the charging bull in a china shop tactic to using a fine scalpel.

The question is can you accomplish your goal now. They should have started off using a scalpel and not a dull rusty axe to fight in Iraq.

Too late I'm afraid and more than a few reasonable people in the military who are there have wrote about this already. You can find those letters on this forum no less.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: alphatarget1
If you can't see a problem with his lies (or better yet, he didn't lie at all) then I feel pity for you.

Interesting that there has never been evidence of Bush lying, but the left preaches it like the gospel. There has, OTOH, been evidence of him being intentionally fed wrong information by "allies", but that is brushed under the table.

"never been evidence of Bush lying" is the best line I've heard yet. Google.

Oh, yeah - Worker's World said he did. :roll:

 

[imported_Aelius]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: alphatarget1
If you can't see a problem with his lies (or better yet, he didn't lie at all) then I feel pity for you.

Interesting that there has never been evidence of Bush lying, but the left preaches it like the gospel. There has, OTOH, been evidence of him being intentionally fed wrong information by "allies", but that is brushed under the table.

"never been evidence of Bush lying" is the best line I've heard yet. Google.

Oh, yeah - Worker's World said he did. :roll:

The buck stops where?

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: Aelius

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: alphatarget1
If you can't see a problem with his lies (or better yet, he didn't lie at all) then I feel pity for you.

Interesting that there has never been evidence of Bush lying, but the left preaches it like the gospel. There has, OTOH, been evidence of him being intentionally fed wrong information by "allies", but that is brushed under the table.

"never been evidence of Bush lying" is the best line I've heard yet. Google.

Oh, yeah - Worker's World said he did. :roll:

The buck stops where?

With a reputable source. Maybe some independent corroboration would be nice.

 

[NeoV]

Fuzzy...show me one piece of what was used as justification for starting this war, other than Saddam was a bad guy, that has turned out to be accurate.

Lying? Maybe.

Very wrong? Certainly.

Please don't try and pass this off as "other countries fed us bad info" - our own analysts were saying the aluminum tubes weren't for nukes, the Niger story was bunk, etc, etc...

"I wouldn't do one thing differently" - Tell that to the families of the 1000+ soliders that have been killed. Tell that to the 8000+ soliders who have been seriously wounded. That statement alone should have ensured a Kerry victory, but the 'moral' right has completely ignored this administration's record over the past 4 years.

 

[OS]

I just shot some guy down the street. Sure he's dead, but it's already done. We can't bring him back to life so we'll just go about our lives as usual.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: OS
I just shot some guy down the street. Sure he's dead, but it's already done. We can't bring him back to life so we'll just go about our lives as usual.

So that's a vote for an insurmountable issue, you feel it will never be resolved & there is no redempion?

 

[Kerouactivist]

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
Voltaire

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: OS
I just shot some guy down the street. Sure he's dead, but it's already done. We can't bring him back to life so we'll just go about our lives as usual.

So that's a vote for an insurmountable issue, you feel it will never be resolved & there is no redempion?

Kind of, I think I'll just write a check for a grand to the family, give the man a nice burial and call it a day.

 

[imported_Mike]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: OS
I just shot some guy down the street. Sure he's dead, but it's already done. We can't bring him back to life so we'll just go about our lives as usual.

So that's a vote for an insurmountable issue, you feel it will never be resolved & there is no redempion?

Why, just b/c something is in the past, it should be ignored and we should just move on?

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: CheapArse

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: OS
I just shot some guy down the street. Sure he's dead, but it's already done. We can't bring him back to life so we'll just go about our lives as usual.

So that's a vote for an insurmountable issue, you feel it will never be resolved & there is no redempion?

Why, just b/c something is in the past, it should be ignored and we should just move on?

Did I say that? No.

I'm just asking & curious if there's a redemption clause in the complaint.

 

[imported_Aelius]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Aelius

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: alphatarget1
If you can't see a problem with his lies (or better yet, he didn't lie at all) then I feel pity for you.

Interesting that there has never been evidence of Bush lying, but the left preaches it like the gospel. There has, OTOH, been evidence of him being intentionally fed wrong information by "allies", but that is brushed under the table.

"never been evidence of Bush lying" is the best line I've heard yet. Google.

Oh, yeah - Worker's World said he did. :roll:

The buck stops where?

With a reputable source. Maybe some independent corroboration would be nice.

Truth is even after being told what he was told is BS he still kept it going by slightly changing his rethoric to something along the lines of "He had the capability to produce weapons, you see, he had the intent, he hated America...". There's a lot more from plenty of other members of his administration that have been quoted so many times I lost track months ago.