I really shouldn't spend money on more computer parts...

TheInternal

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Hi all.

Feel free to skip the rambling bit if you're impatient and/or awesome enough to know what would work best for me without getting some background :D

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At the beginning of the year, I took a big pay cut that made buying any sort of computer components a rather illogical decision.
Being overly compulsive and wanting to enlarge my e-peen with more BOINC output, I said "fuck it" and built a Frankenstein computer from some left over parts supplemented by a nice new case, power supply, and socket 939 Athlon 64 purchased on the cheap... then felt awfully silly/guilty about making such an irrational decision. (Though I may do an extended loaning it out to my dad since the last computer I gave them is getting pretty long in the tooth).
It sounds like I'll probably be getting a boost in hours in the near future and an occasional opportunity for some unreported income, so I've spent the better part of the last 4 hours trying to get caught up on the state of affairs in GPU land.
I have a few decent older boxes now, but even my most current one feels clunkier than I would like for current games, and even slightly older games like Oblivion.

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--Which leads me to the current situation--

I have three or so computers of aging components, but some parts would be easily transferable to a new build. My motherboards, processors, and RAM are impractical and are at EOL in terms of an upgrade path. My graphics cards would WORK in a new and modern motherboard, though it would seem unwise.
Would the most thrifty way to get my gaming machine up to snuff be slapping a Radeon HD 4870 or Geforce x260 in an existing system, or would I be massively CPU limited?
Can I make a silent (or very quiet) build using current components that would still let me get my game on?

I really should avoid spending much money if I can help it (hence my leaning towards a GPU upgrade rather than swapping out mobo/CPU/RAM), ideally not much more than $200 if it will let me play Oblivion, Bioshock, Neverwinter Nights 2, Assassin's Creed, and some other relatively current titles comfortably at 1920x1200. I can currently PLAY those titles at 1920x1200, but not as smoothly/high a settings as I would like.

Here's what I currently have to work with (marked with an asterisk "*" are parts that would probably be "modern" enough to transfer over to a new system build):

====Primary system====

Name: Monolith

Original build philosophy: near-silent do everything box. Gaming, internet, movies, graphics work, etc.

*Primary Monitor: Dell 2405FPW 24" widescreen LCD (1920x1200 native resolution)*
*Case: Antec P180b (cooled by three 120 mm case fans)
*PSU: Corsair HX620W modular PSU
Motherboard: ASUS A8N32-SLI Deluxe
Processor: AMD Athlon 64 x2 4400+ (passively cooled by Scythe Ninja heatsink)
RAM: 2 x 1 GB Corsair XMS DDR 400 at 3-3-3-8 (auto SPD timings)
*(?) GPUs: 2 x XFX 7950 GT eXtreme 512 MB in SLI (passively cooled by manufacturer heatspreaders)
Sound Card: Audigy 2 ZS Platinum Pro
*Speakers: Klipsch Promedia 5.1 (rev. 3)
*Optical Drives: Samsung SH233Q DVD-RW, Samsung SH233Q DVD-RW(though I still haven't solved a problem with them.)
*Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar SE16 320 GB SATA
OS: Windows XP Media Center 2002 SP3

====TV Box====

Name: Stubby

Original build philosophy: TV box. For watching movies/hulu/netflix in the living room and routing sound from my Sony PlayStation 2 optical out to my 5.1 speakers.

Primary Monitor: a big old standard aspect CRT television.
Case: Ultra Microfly SFF micro-ATX case with rear 120 mm fan, front 90 mm fan
PSU: OCZ Modstream 450W modular PSU
Motherboard: MSI K8NGM2
Processor: AMD Athlon 64 3500+ (stock HS)
RAM: 4 x 512 MB Crucial Ballistix DDR 400 at auto SPD timings
GPU: on-board Geforce 6150 using 128 MB system RAM
*Sound Card: Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium PCI-E
Speakers: Klipsch Promedia 5.1 (rev. 3)
Optical Drives: Samsung SH233Q DVD-RW
*Hard Drive: Maxtor Maxline III 300 GB SATA
OS: Windows XP Media Center 2002 SP3

====Frankenstein box====

Name: unnamed at the moment

Original build philosophy: spare box for others to use/LAN game older titles with/jack with linux/BOINC like mad

Primary Monitor: an old Logitech GS790 19" CRT
*Case: Antec Solo
*PSU: Enermax Modu82+ EMD625AWT 625W ATX12V Ver.2.3 modular PSU
Motherboard: MSI K8N Neo 4 Platinum SLI (with one burned out onboard NIC and a HR-05-SLI/IFX south bridge heatsink)
Processor: AMD Athlon 64 3200+
RAM: 2 x 1 GB Corsair XMS DDR 400 (at auto SPD timings)
GPU: EVGA e-GeForce 6800 Ultra 256 MB
Sound Card: Sound Blaster Audigy Platinum (lost the cable for the drive bay connections)
Speakers: none
Optical Drives: Lite-On DVD-RW IDE, Lite-On combo IDE
Hard Drive: none (yet)
OS: eventually, one of my Windows XP Pro disks and/or Ubuntu
Other: 3.5" floppy

====Donated Beater====

Name: Uggy

an old athlon xp based computer with a PCI graphics card and Ubuntu. I plan on making it a router. 'nuff said.

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So, that's what I have to work with. Suggestions? Ideas?
 

TheInternal

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This HD 4870 is really tempting me. I can't help but wonder if we'll see a product refresh by NVIDIA or ATI before the month is over though >.<
 

toyota

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yes you would be noticeably bottlenecked with a high end card like a gtx260 or 4870 with any of your cpus. whether or not that will bother you is a personal choice. IMO I see no point in buying a video card that cant be put to nearly all of usefulness. I also hate low dips in framerates and with you current cpu that will be a regular occurrence in newer more demanding titles for sure.
 
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TBH, upgrade to a 9800GTX or 4830/50 on your X2 4400+ machine. Also, pick up an aftermarket cooler and OC it to atleast 2.7ghz. That way you wont be so bottlenecked by your cpu. The others aren't up to good in terms of modern gaming. If you only play CS 1.6/CSS or older source games, You could OC your 3500+, pop in a Radeon 4650 and call it good.
 

Concillian

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IMO that level of processor is going to be fine with a 4850 / 9800GTX level of card.

The single cores will not perform well in most games right now, though something like a 9800GT or HD4830 would getyou some extra visual quality for pretty cheap.

Going for a 4870 or 260 just seems overkill with those CPUs.
 

edplayer

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Originally posted by: TheInternal

So, that's what I have to work with. Suggestions? Ideas?



Topic Title: I really shouldn't spend money on more computer parts...


Looks like you are at step one: acknowledging the problem.


my suggestion, how about selling off the parts/computers you don't need and concentrate on other parts of your life
 

Wreckage

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Topic Title: I really shouldn't spend money on more computer parts...
Topic Summary: ... but I really want to up my graphics performance.

Yep this was me a few months ago and I ended up buying a GTX260.

I was originally considering a 4870 because it was a lot cheaper, but the GTX price drop and the newer features lured me back.

You would have some CPU limitation but at the resolution a new GPU will certainly help, especially if it has around 1GB of ram.

I'm happy I got the card, but probably should not have spent the money.... Such is the hardware game.
 

TheInternal

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Thanks for all the input thus far. Remember, my monitor's native resolution is 1920x1200... that's why I'm looking at the 4870 so seriously. That and I like Oblivion.

I have absolutely no idea where I'd be able to sell off one or two of my spare systems for a fair price. I want to have at LEAST two computers (one for the living room TV, one for use as a computer).
 

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Originally posted by: Gutcheck2009
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814150341

160 AMIR, then call the system done. Your CPU is your bottleneck, and if you are worried about your financial situation a vid card is NOT what you should be buying.

QFT

I'd also go with edplayer on this. If you won't sell any of your PCs and have finacial concerns, minimize the spending for another day/year. 30" LCDs or some awesome form of game interaction will be the standard four years from now anyways. Fallout 3 will play on those PCs like CS:S does on today's PCs, and we'll all be bitching about the two out of eight trillion pixels that are displaying a shade of gray a microshade too dark lol. Maybe look into gaming at a lower res?
 

TheInternal

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I think I will hold off for now on any significant vid purchase, at least until I find out for sure I'll be getting more hours at work (should find out this week!) I think I may go ahead and put "Solo" up for sale (what I decided to name the Frankenstein) with a slight build modification (drop the RAM to 1 gb, use the onboard creative live sound card, and toss in the old 320gb WD, toss in a lower end PSU). As luck would have it, one of the kiddos I work with (I tutor and mentor adopted/foster kids that often have developmental or emotional issues) may have his parents let him get an MMO to help him work on his typing (I know WOW greatly improved my typing speed/accuracy)... and Solo would be a great rig for WOW. Maybe I can make a few bucks there and give them a fair deal in the process.

I'm really a burned out gamer at this point (I don't even play all that many games regularly), so perhaps this will be a good practice on impulse control as well. Thanks for all the replies.