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Originally posted by: miri
How did you get out of your living arrangements so quickly or are you paying rent while your gone?

i had a roommate. our lease runs through july. i'm paying through may. he should be able to find a new roommate in the next 3 months we think.

regarding some opinions, suggestions so far:
i may not be as 'hardcore' as fern was. of course i dont know yet, i really wont know how comfortable i am off the beaten track til i try it. hitchhiking, in some countries, will be an option. i'm going at this with no plans except for some plane tickets. i dont even have places booked for the night i get off the plane, i figure i'll find one when i arrive. no transportation arranged either, so i'll have to figure that out as well.

in some countries, like australia, i'll have friends that i'll look up when i arrive. will definately help when it comes to saving lodging costs. i guess i dont consider myself a true vagabond.. i'm more of a cross between a traveler and a tourist 🙂
 
I truely envy you. Like you traveling have been in back of my mind after I graduated. I worked hard to be where I'm at and reluctant to throw it all away for my desire. One of my friend quit his job as sales and started a dojo teaching kung fu. All I gotta say is there are too many of us and too few of you.
 
During the summer of 2002, I traveled from Greece to Sweden (with Italy, France, Spain, Switzerland, Germany, and Denmark in between). I stayed at each major location for about 3-4 days on average before moving on. After doing that for 6 weeks, not having a home base or a real quiet place to sleep (stayed at youth hostels), I got quite tired of it all and was ready to come home. Perhaps things would have been different had I gone camping with my own tent and air mattress, etc. Fast forward to the summer of 2003 when I spent 3 months living on the Greek island of Naxos: I more or less blended in and really learned the culture. Had the weather not turned windy and cool that September, I would not have wanted to leave.

Whirlwind traveling like I did in 2002 allowed to me find the good and bad places for me personally. I found some awesome corners of Europe that I want to go back to, and I also found some places to avoid. I prefer warmer, more Mediterranean climates, like the Greek islands, Italy, and Spain whereas the northern climates, even in summer, don't appeal to me as much (anywhere north of Düsseldorf, Germany). Though the UK might be an exception of that rule since I have not been there yet. Just about anywhere that surrounds the Alps (southern Germany, northern Italy, eastern France, Switzerland) is as about as beautiful as you can get.

 
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: puffff
traveling 'around the world' has always been on the back of my mind since graduating college. but the time was never right. immediately after graduation, i didnt have the money. after i started working, i didnt have the time. the last few weeks, i've been thinking, it's now or never. if i stay this corporate world any longer, i may never go. when i'm 50, i want to be able to tell of all the cool things i did when i was younger. decorating my cubicle doesnt rank very high on the list of 'cool things'.

earlier today, i talked to my boss and submitted my letter of resignation. i'm leaving on good terms, though i can tell they were pretty shocked by my decision. they asked questions like why couldnt i do it the way normal people do, and take 2 week vacations at a time, instead of going for 6months to a year. my reply was, it's part of the adventure, to just keep going. they asked if i was independently wealthy (haha, this really made me laugh) to be able to afford doing this. well, i save money like crazy.. i've got a decent stash that should last me a year.

this isnt about discontent with my job. i like the work, the people are decent, the level of stress is low, and the hours are flexible. this is about seeing new things.

my tickets should be booked by the end of the week, and i should be off and running by february!

"The World is a book, and those who do not travel read only one page." - Saint Augustine.

edit: (to answer some questions 🙂 )
i'll be traveling alone. but from reading blogs of other people who have done what i'm attempting to do, it won't be hard to meet other travelers on the road.
i've saved up about $25k for this trip. i'll be selling some of my things, like my motorcycle, maybe my car, my computer, furniture, so i'm hoping i can raise another $2k-$4k before i leave.
my mom wants me to bring a laptop with me, so much so that she's offered to pay for it. looking into travel friendly laptops now, if anyone has any good suggestions (small, durable, preferable not too expensive, let me know!)
definately gonna take pictures along the way. right now i have a pentax optio s digicam. hopefully i'll find the time and energy to blog most of my trip... i'll update with the site when it's all ready!


Dude, I did the same thing when I was 25 yrs old (I'm 45 now). Quite my job, gave my car and all my other stuff to my brothers. Bought a one-way ticket to London. Didn't know any other lanuages or where exactly I was going.

Ended up traveling all over Europe (from Scandanavia to Spain and the on the Magreb (Morrocco etc.)

Bought a combi van turned into a camper. I was gone from the US for about 8 years!

Definately go by yourself, that's how you meet lots of people.

I could tell you a million stories 98% great, 2% terrifying.

The only downside is, after your trip is over you life will seem sucky. Nothing can compare to the travel and adventure. You'll learn many lessons and prolly have some likelong friends in other places.

I use to travel through Europe etc on roads not even listed in any map. Went by compass in some places. Weird, peeps use to come out and wave. I swear there were remote places in Portugal where they hadn't seen internal combustion vehicles.

One bit of advice, go native - go get used clothing when you get there. Nobody will be able to tell you from the locals till you open your mouth.

Fern

Although I don't know you, You'll be the only person other than me that I know who did this.

Good Luck

Oh, one other thing. If you're gone long, you'll prolly face culture shock when you get back and, if like me, feel like a stranger in your own country. (Oddly enough though, to this day when I travel abroad I feel very very comfortable in other countries.

You will be a different person when you return.

Out of sheer curiosity. How were you able to afford 8 years in Europe including new clothes in each country and a van at the age of 25?

I left the US with about $10K I had saved (savings plus cashed in 401 (k) -remember interest rates back then were up to 20%).

The camper/van took up a good portion of my money. I did run out of money. I was in West Berlin at the time. Back in the days of the "Wall" (lot of wierd stores from that city). I was pretty bummed, I felt trapped behind hundreds of mile of communist territory.

I was living with a german gf I had met there, so I had a place to stay (it got a little tense cuz I could tell she didn't feel like "supporting" me and wanted me to kick in for rent/food.

In looking around I found "black market" jobs like unloading trucks, construction etc. But the good thing I discoverd was that Europe has "hitch hiker" services between cities. They charge peeps per on a per mile basis and the money is given to the driver. Well with my camper van I could seat up to 6 people. So for a while I became a "private bus" service ferrying peeps around Europe to cities.

Make no mistake, I lived cheaply - used clothes, a loaf of fresh bread and a hunk of cheese, or a Kebab for a meal. I could also cook in my camper, often eating only pasta and butter. Whatever was locally available and inexpensive.

I went for years never eating a cheeseburger or other food we would consider inexpensive cuz I felt they cost too much over there.

Another bit of luck was Berlin at that time was under the Tripartide agreement of WW2. So there was an American sector (as well as British and French) The Soviet Union/Russia got East Berlin. I would hike all over Berlin, looking at free local papers whatever, seeking to find just something when I stumbled onto one in English and saw a stock broker ad. I went and visited just for the hell of it.

Turns out there was a large American community of retired military living there along with US pilots for Pan AM. (I lived in Krauzberg district with my german gf, never had seen any American there, it was the hippy berlin area with a lot of Turks). Anyway, since I can do tax returns and acounting, the broker let me use an office cuz he wanted me (a CPA) to tell his clients what kind of investmenst were good for them. I ended up working with him from Jan - June and would travel around the rest of the time in my camper. By this time the german chick had blown me off and I was living in the broker's house cuz it was too cold to stay in the van.

After a couple of years of this I hooked up with french women from Paris and quit going back to Berlin. More hard times till I lucked out and bumped into a French Law firm that helped US companies (Like Disney when they started the Park in paris). I got hired there and worked a few years married to the french women. That lasted a few years till the french law firm was taken over by a big American company who ended up transfering me to NY. All-in-all about 7 or 8 yrs.

I found NY great to visit, crappy to live in so quit after a yr or two and moved to the Smoky Mountains.

Bottom line - BE RESOURCEFUL . I found if you're able-bodied and have a quick mind you can pretty much survive anywhere.

Fern

Edit: The above is a brief "overview". I think it mostly demonstartes that you don't need a lot of money, but you will have to work a bit. Which I think only adds to the experience. Your "forced" to interact with the locals in different locations. Really get to see and feel their daily lives (cuz you share in it). Its a whole diff experience than the tourism/visiting thing. Although at different times I'd bump into US peeps visiting for Spring Break etc and hang with them

Another thing. I think it w/b beneficial if we followed the Australian model mentioned above. I lived in London for a while in a boarding house owned by a Polish Familay and mostly occupied by Australians (although there wer Germans, Spainish and French there) I got to know the Australian women running it and they let me live and eat there free for a few months. Anyway point is the Australians are allowed by law (and encouraged) to leave for one year and travel. The law guarantees their jobs when they return. Thier society feels it is benefical for young people to travel the worldto gain perspective and likely, a sence of independance and can do. Most all had "black market jobs as well..

Another time I lived free in a campground in Paris for about 6 months. There were peeps who had been living there for years. We had are own little community. We would all gather for a group cook-out for dinner every night. Each brought what they could and we would cook and eat around the camp fire.

When I wanted to leave, I made arragements with the guards, who know me well by then, for them to open the gates of the campground and let me slip out at midnight - off on another adventure elsewhere. Lot of fond memories from that spot
 
Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: puffff
traveling 'around the world' has always been on the back of my mind since graduating college. but the time was never right. immediately after graduation, i didnt have the money. after i started working, i didnt have the time. the last few weeks, i've been thinking, it's now or never. if i stay this corporate world any longer, i may never go. when i'm 50, i want to be able to tell of all the cool things i did when i was younger. decorating my cubicle doesnt rank very high on the list of 'cool things'.

earlier today, i talked to my boss and submitted my letter of resignation. i'm leaving on good terms, though i can tell they were pretty shocked by my decision. they asked questions like why couldnt i do it the way normal people do, and take 2 week vacations at a time, instead of going for 6months to a year. my reply was, it's part of the adventure, to just keep going. they asked if i was independently wealthy (haha, this really made me laugh) to be able to afford doing this. well, i save money like crazy.. i've got a decent stash that should last me a year.

this isnt about discontent with my job. i like the work, the people are decent, the level of stress is low, and the hours are flexible. this is about seeing new things.

my tickets should be booked by the end of the week, and i should be off and running by february!

"The World is a book, and those who do not travel read only one page." - Saint Augustine.

edit: (to answer some questions 🙂 )
i'll be traveling alone. but from reading blogs of other people who have done what i'm attempting to do, it won't be hard to meet other travelers on the road.
i've saved up about $25k for this trip. i'll be selling some of my things, like my motorcycle, maybe my car, my computer, furniture, so i'm hoping i can raise another $2k-$4k before i leave.
my mom wants me to bring a laptop with me, so much so that she's offered to pay for it. looking into travel friendly laptops now, if anyone has any good suggestions (small, durable, preferable not too expensive, let me know!)
definately gonna take pictures along the way. right now i have a pentax optio s digicam. hopefully i'll find the time and energy to blog most of my trip... i'll update with the site when it's all ready!


Dude, I did the same thing when I was 25 yrs old (I'm 45 now). Quite my job, gave my car and all my other stuff to my brothers. Bought a one-way ticket to London. Didn't know any other lanuages or where exactly I was going.

Ended up traveling all over Europe (from Scandanavia to Spain and the on the Magreb (Morrocco etc.)

Bought a combi van turned into a camper. I was gone from the US for about 8 years!

Definately go by yourself, that's how you meet lots of people.

I could tell you a million stories 98% great, 2% terrifying.

The only downside is, after your trip is over you life will seem sucky. Nothing can compare to the travel and adventure. You'll learn many lessons and prolly have some likelong friends in other places.

I use to travel through Europe etc on roads not even listed in any map. Went by compass in some places. Weird, peeps use to come out and wave. I swear there were remote places in Portugal where they hadn't seen internal combustion vehicles.

One bit of advice, go native - go get used clothing when you get there. Nobody will be able to tell you from the locals till you open your mouth.

Fern

Although I don't know you, You'll be the only person other than me that I know who did this.

Good Luck

Oh, one other thing. If you're gone long, you'll prolly face culture shock when you get back and, if like me, feel like a stranger in your own country. (Oddly enough though, to this day when I travel abroad I feel very very comfortable in other countries.

You will be a different person when you return.

Out of sheer curiosity. How were you able to afford 8 years in Europe including new clothes in each country and a van at the age of 25?

I left the US with about $10K I had saved (savings plus cashed in 401 (k) -remember interest rates back then were up to 20%).

The camper/van took up a good portion of my money. I did run out of money. I was in West Berlin at the time. Back in the days of the "Wall" (lot of wierd stores from that city). I was pretty bummed, I felt trapped behind hundreds of mile of communist territory.

I was living with a german gf I had met there, so I had a place to stay (it got a little tense cuz I could tell she didn't feel like "supporting" me and wanted me to kick in for rent/food.

In looking around I found "black market" jobs like unloading trucks, construction etc. But the good thing I discoverd was that Europe has "hitch hiker" services between cities. They charge peeps per on a per mile basis and the money is given to the driver. Well with my camper van I could seat up to 6 people. So for a while I became a "private bus" service ferrying peeps around Europe to cities.

Make no mistake, I lived cheaply - used clothes, a loaf of fresh bread and a hunk of cheese, or a Kebab for a meal. I could also cook in my camper, often eating only pasta and butter. Whatever was locally available and inexpensive.

I went for years never eating a cheeseburger or other food we would consider inexpensive cuz I felt they cost too much over there.

Another bit of luck was Berlin at that time was under the Tripartide agreement of WW2. So there was an American sector (as well as British and French) The Soviet Union/Russia got East Berlin. I would hike all over Berlin, looking at free local papers whatever, seeking to find just something when I stumbled onto one in English and saw a stock broker ad. I went and visited just for the hell of it.

Turns out there was a large American community of retired military living there along with US pilots for Pan AM. (I lived in Krauzberg district with my german gf, never had seen any American there, it was the hippy berlin area with a lot of Turks). Anyway, since I can do tax returns and acounting, the broker let me use an office cuz he wanted me (a CPA) to tell his clients what kind of investmenst were good for them. I ended up working with him from Jan - June and would travel around the rest of the time in my camper. By this time the german chick had blown me off and I was living in the broker's house cuz it was too cold to stay in the van.

After a couple of years of this I hooked up with french women from Paris and quit going back to Berlin. More hard times till I lucked out and bumped into a French Law firm that helped US companies (Like Disney when they started the Park in paris). I got hired there and worked a few years married to the french women. That lasted a few years till the french law firm was taken over by a big American company who ended up transfering me to NY. All-in-all about 7 or 8 yrs.

I found NY great to visit, crappy to live in so quit after a yr or two and moved to the Smoky Mountains.

Bottom line - BE RESOURCEFUL . I found if you're able-bodied and have a quick mind you can pretty much survive anywhere.

Fern

Edit: The above is a brief "overview". I think it mostly demonstartes that you don't need a lot of money, but you will have to work a bit. Which I think only adds to the experience. Your "forced" to interact with the locals in different locations. Really get to see and feel their daily lives (cuz you share in it). Its a whole diff experience than the tourism/visiting thing. Although at different times I'd bump into US peeps visiting for Spring Break etc and hang with them

Another thing. I think it w/b beneficial if we followed the Australian model mentioned above. I lived in London for a while in a boarding house owned by a Polish Familay and mostly occupied by Australians (although there wer Germans, Spainish and French there) I got to know the Australian women running it and they let me live and eat there free for a few months. Anyway point is the Australians are allowed by law (and encouraged) to leave for one year and travel. The law guarantees their jobs when they return. Thier society feels it is benefical for young people to travel the worldto gain perspective and likely, a sence of independance and can do. Most all had "black market jobs as well..

Another time I lived free in a campground in Paris for about 6 months. There were peeps who had been living there for years. We had are own little community. We would all gather for a group cook-out for dinner every night. Each brought what they could and we would cook and eat around the camp fire.

When I wanted to leave, I made arragements with the guards, who know me well by then, for them to open the gates of the campground and let me slip out at midnight - off on another adventure elsewhere. Lot of fond memories from that spot

Amazing.......
 
Originally posted by: puffff
Originally posted by: richardycc
wow cool! what is your itinerary look like?

the first part of the trip will consist of australia/new zealand and southeast asia. after that, i intend on traveling up through china, to japan. at that point, i'll have to decide whether to take the trans-siberian train across to europe, or go to south american next. but i dont plan on reaching that stage for another year, so when i get there, then i'll decide. 🙂


Don't plan too much, sometimes the road dictates itself to you and the best experiences happen then.

Traveling is awesome !
 
Fern: Would love to hear some of your Berlin stories. I lived in Berlin from 1988 through 1991, so I experience the Berlin Wall: before, during, and after.

I lived in Zahlendorf, near the Grünewaldsee.

Have you been back recently? It's a much different city than it was then. I work for the German government, so I get to travel there quite often.
 
Originally posted by: puffff

this isnt about discontent with my job. i like the work, the people are decent, the level of stress is low, and the hours are flexible. this is about seeing new things.

OK, first of all could you recommend me for this job because it sounds sweet. Secondly, do NOT SELL YOUR CAR. Park it at your folks place or someone you can 100% trust not to trash it while you are gone. If you decide to come back to America you will need it to start working again. Good luck to you and have fun, I wish I could join you but alas, the family becons.

 
wow you are gonna have an amazing journey with that much money. You could live more than a year off of that.

I wouldnt be at all surprised if you never come back!

have fun!
 
Not trying to spoil the fun, but I'm not sure how smart of move this is. Sounds like you've worked hard for everything you own and have currently. I just hate to see people give all that up for a 1 year vacation.

Granted, sounds like a lot of fun and it is your decision. I wish you luck and hope you have a lot of fun!
 
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
I've met people in my travels who simply work small jobs when they run out of money, save it, then move on. Nothing glamerous of course, like washing dishes at restaurants. Money isn't what would bother me. What would bother me would be the legality of working without a European passport or work visa, etc.

Travel to work. Intriguing concept.

But I don't buy for a second that you can get a job -- as a foreigner -- washing dishes, support yourself, and save enough to continue traveling for an extended period of time. That's called living abroad.....not travelling. Hell, just get a legit job in different countries and sightsee in your spare time.

And don't they use a whole different networking architecture in Europe....X.25?

you're such a fvckin' retard and have no clue about anything! get a life!
 
Originally posted by: TravisT
Not trying to spoil the fun, but I'm not sure how smart of move this is. Sounds like you've worked hard for everything you own and have currently. I just hate to see people give all that up for a 1 year vacation.

Granted, sounds like a lot of fun and it is your decision. I wish you luck and hope you have a lot of fun!


your missing the point. this isnt just a vacation...he is living a dream of his. most ppl wish they can say they do this. Not too mention the learning experience surpasses that of 4 years of college easily.
 
Originally posted by: TravisT
Not trying to spoil the fun, but I'm not sure how smart of move this is. Sounds like you've worked hard for everything you own and have currently. I just hate to see people give all that up for a 1 year vacation.

Granted, sounds like a lot of fun and it is your decision. I wish you luck and hope you have a lot of fun!

My mom was the head law librarian for one of the biggest law firms in Atlanta. She was making like $75K at the time with good benefits. She quit her job, moved to a Greek island, and lived there for two years. She came back, and within two weeks, basically got her old job back, working in Washington DC instead of Atlanta.

Some may call her crazy, but the experiences she had during those two years, both good and bad, could not have been replaced by any amount of money.
 
I'm taking a 3 1/2 weeks off from work to backpack in Europe around May/June. Puffff, you will see the world in a new light once you've traveled outside your safety zone. I give you props for going alone! Just be careful.
 
Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: puffff
traveling 'around the world' has always been on the back of my mind since graduating college. but the time was never right. immediately after graduation, i didnt have the money. after i started working, i didnt have the time. the last few weeks, i've been thinking, it's now or never. if i stay this corporate world any longer, i may never go. when i'm 50, i want to be able to tell of all the cool things i did when i was younger. decorating my cubicle doesnt rank very high on the list of 'cool things'.

earlier today, i talked to my boss and submitted my letter of resignation. i'm leaving on good terms, though i can tell they were pretty shocked by my decision. they asked questions like why couldnt i do it the way normal people do, and take 2 week vacations at a time, instead of going for 6months to a year. my reply was, it's part of the adventure, to just keep going. they asked if i was independently wealthy (haha, this really made me laugh) to be able to afford doing this. well, i save money like crazy.. i've got a decent stash that should last me a year.

this isnt about discontent with my job. i like the work, the people are decent, the level of stress is low, and the hours are flexible. this is about seeing new things.

my tickets should be booked by the end of the week, and i should be off and running by february!

"The World is a book, and those who do not travel read only one page." - Saint Augustine.

edit: (to answer some questions 🙂 )
i'll be traveling alone. but from reading blogs of other people who have done what i'm attempting to do, it won't be hard to meet other travelers on the road.
i've saved up about $25k for this trip. i'll be selling some of my things, like my motorcycle, maybe my car, my computer, furniture, so i'm hoping i can raise another $2k-$4k before i leave.
my mom wants me to bring a laptop with me, so much so that she's offered to pay for it. looking into travel friendly laptops now, if anyone has any good suggestions (small, durable, preferable not too expensive, let me know!)
definately gonna take pictures along the way. right now i have a pentax optio s digicam. hopefully i'll find the time and energy to blog most of my trip... i'll update with the site when it's all ready!


Dude, I did the same thing when I was 25 yrs old (I'm 45 now). Quite my job, gave my car and all my other stuff to my brothers. Bought a one-way ticket to London. Didn't know any other lanuages or where exactly I was going.

Ended up traveling all over Europe (from Scandanavia to Spain and the on the Magreb (Morrocco etc.)

Bought a combi van turned into a camper. I was gone from the US for about 8 years!

Definately go by yourself, that's how you meet lots of people.

I could tell you a million stories 98% great, 2% terrifying.

The only downside is, after your trip is over you life will seem sucky. Nothing can compare to the travel and adventure. You'll learn many lessons and prolly have some likelong friends in other places.

I use to travel through Europe etc on roads not even listed in any map. Went by compass in some places. Weird, peeps use to come out and wave. I swear there were remote places in Portugal where they hadn't seen internal combustion vehicles.

One bit of advice, go native - go get used clothing when you get there. Nobody will be able to tell you from the locals till you open your mouth.

Fern

Although I don't know you, You'll be the only person other than me that I know who did this.

Good Luck

Oh, one other thing. If you're gone long, you'll prolly face culture shock when you get back and, if like me, feel like a stranger in your own country. (Oddly enough though, to this day when I travel abroad I feel very very comfortable in other countries.

You will be a different person when you return.

Out of sheer curiosity. How were you able to afford 8 years in Europe including new clothes in each country and a van at the age of 25?

I left the US with about $10K I had saved (savings plus cashed in 401 (k) -remember interest rates back then were up to 20%).

The camper/van took up a good portion of my money. I did run out of money. I was in West Berlin at the time. Back in the days of the "Wall" (lot of wierd stores from that city). I was pretty bummed, I felt trapped behind hundreds of mile of communist territory.

I was living with a german gf I had met there, so I had a place to stay (it got a little tense cuz I could tell she didn't feel like "supporting" me and wanted me to kick in for rent/food.

In looking around I found "black market" jobs like unloading trucks, construction etc. But the good thing I discoverd was that Europe has "hitch hiker" services between cities. They charge peeps per on a per mile basis and the money is given to the driver. Well with my camper van I could seat up to 6 people. So for a while I became a "private bus" service ferrying peeps around Europe to cities.

Make no mistake, I lived cheaply - used clothes, a loaf of fresh bread and a hunk of cheese, or a Kebab for a meal. I could also cook in my camper, often eating only pasta and butter. Whatever was locally available and inexpensive.

I went for years never eating a cheeseburger or other food we would consider inexpensive cuz I felt they cost too much over there.

Another bit of luck was Berlin at that time was under the Tripartide agreement of WW2. So there was an American sector (as well as British and French) The Soviet Union/Russia got East Berlin. I would hike all over Berlin, looking at free local papers whatever, seeking to find just something when I stumbled onto one in English and saw a stock broker ad. I went and visited just for the hell of it.

Turns out there was a large American community of retired military living there along with US pilots for Pan AM. (I lived in Krauzberg district with my german gf, never had seen any American there, it was the hippy berlin area with a lot of Turks). Anyway, since I can do tax returns and acounting, the broker let me use an office cuz he wanted me (a CPA) to tell his clients what kind of investmenst were good for them. I ended up working with him from Jan - June and would travel around the rest of the time in my camper. By this time the german chick had blown me off and I was living in the broker's house cuz it was too cold to stay in the van.

After a couple of years of this I hooked up with french women from Paris and quit going back to Berlin. More hard times till I lucked out and bumped into a French Law firm that helped US companies (Like Disney when they started the Park in paris). I got hired there and worked a few years married to the french women. That lasted a few years till the french law firm was taken over by a big American company who ended up transfering me to NY. All-in-all about 7 or 8 yrs.

I found NY great to visit, crappy to live in so quit after a yr or two and moved to the Smoky Mountains.

Bottom line - BE RESOURCEFUL . I found if you're able-bodied and have a quick mind you can pretty much survive anywhere.

Fern

Edit: The above is a brief "overview". I think it mostly demonstartes that you don't need a lot of money, but you will have to work a bit. Which I think only adds to the experience. Your "forced" to interact with the locals in different locations. Really get to see and feel their daily lives (cuz you share in it). Its a whole diff experience than the tourism/visiting thing. Although at different times I'd bump into US peeps visiting for Spring Break etc and hang with them

Another thing. I think it w/b beneficial if we followed the Australian model mentioned above. I lived in London for a while in a boarding house owned by a Polish Familay and mostly occupied by Australians (although there wer Germans, Spainish and French there) I got to know the Australian women running it and they let me live and eat there free for a few months. Anyway point is the Australians are allowed by law (and encouraged) to leave for one year and travel. The law guarantees their jobs when they return. Thier society feels it is benefical for young people to travel the worldto gain perspective and likely, a sence of independance and can do. Most all had "black market jobs as well..

Another time I lived free in a campground in Paris for about 6 months. There were peeps who had been living there for years. We had are own little community. We would all gather for a group cook-out for dinner every night. Each brought what they could and we would cook and eat around the camp fire.

When I wanted to leave, I made arragements with the guards, who know me well by then, for them to open the gates of the campground and let me slip out at midnight - off on another adventure elsewhere. Lot of fond memories from that spot

wow that totaly rocks. you got any pics of your time in europe?
 
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Fern: Would love to hear some of your Berlin stories. I lived in Berlin from 1988 through 1991, so I experience the Berlin Wall: before, during, and after.

I lived in Zahlendorf, near the Grünewaldsee.

Have you been back recently? It's a much different city than it was then. I work for the German government, so I get to travel there quite often.

Hey man, I lived in Zahlendorf too for a while. That's where the broker whom I stayed with lived. Much nicer neighborhood than K-berg.

No, haven't been back. Everyone I knew left not to long after the wall fell and the east germans came rolling in. They said things changed alot.

One regret I have is not going back on the day the wall fell. I wanted badly to hop a train and go see the festivities. But in was my French mother in law's Bday and my French wife threw a fit. Shoulda gone anyway. She blew me off for a French guy a couple of years later, said I worked to hard (I don't have that problem now, current wife bitches about that all the time now. Can't ever win!).

I'm gettin thirsty for a Crystal Weizen Bier (sp?) and hungry for a good Turkish kebab 🙂
 
Döners rock!

Berlin as a city is now broke. Unlike yesteryear, it's a very popular place for students because living there is so cheap. But because of a lack of jobs, many leave for the West upon graduation. Few cities offer so much, however. So much history, so much culture, so much change. Berlin really is at the crossroads of a new Europe, and there is so much to learn, see, and do, it can make your head swim. This, coming from someone who lived there!

 
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