I.Q. test for employment? (Updated)

mrkun

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Okay, so I sent my resume to a company in response to an advertisement for an accounting clerk position. They replied back stating that they require all job applicants to take an I.Q. test and that they would not consider anyone that scored less than 120.

I did a bit of research and my (albeit limited) understanding is that this is illegal. Anyone with some legal knowledge care to chime in?

Update:

I interviewed for this job today. It was certainly different from the job interviews that I've had until now. So I go in and they give me this little 10-question, hand written I.Q. test. I do that, then the manager comes over and asks me a few random arithmetic questions. That's done with. The manager goes on a rant for ten minutes about how retarded most people are that come in for interviews, complete with examples, and this then segues into his criticisms of the U.S. public education system. He also mentions that he would jokingly ask people if they'd served prison time and quite frequently they answered "yes." He used that to bring up the subject and ask me if I have done any prison time -- "or had a bunch of children from one night stands that I don't know about." (He was joking obviously.) We then get into my resume and we get to my college stuff. One of the questions was, "if I asked some of your professors about you, what would they say," a fairly typical question. I respond and then tell him that I can provide references from professors if he'd like. The ensuing dialogue goes something like this:

Him: "Nah, that's okay, you can just pay them to say whatever you want, so it wouldn't do much good."

Me: "Well, they make a fair bit of money, so I doubt I could pay them enough to do that."

Him: "You never know, they may be drug addicts, or have a gambling addiction, or be sex addicts with a bunch of illegitimate children they have to support or something like that."

(I thought this was really funny because I had an English professor that was discovered to be a "certified" tantra instructor.)

Me: "Or they may just be alcoholics that will do it for booze." (This seemed more likely to me given my experience with academics.)

Him: "That too."

The rest of the interview was pretty standard, with the odd off-color joke thrown in by the manager.
 

jagec

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They want accounting clerks with really high IQs?

Are they ASKING for high turnover? You'd think 120 would be a maximum.
 

mrkun

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Originally posted by: jagec
They want accounting clerks with really high IQs?

Are they ASKING for high turnover? You'd think 120 would be a maximum.

Haha. I was thinking along the same lines.
 

woodie1

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Why would a possible employer not be within his rights to have a possible employee take a test to determine said applicants fitness for a job? I remember the test IBM gave and it was a real brain teaser.
 

Phokus

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For an accounting clerk? I think the job you're applying to is some sort of prank, not a real job.
 

mrkun

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Originally posted by: woodie1
Why would a possible employer not be within his rights to have a possible employee take a test to determine said applicants fitness for a job? I remember the test IBM gave and it was a real brain teaser.

It's not that they can't give you an I.Q. test, but rather they can't use it as a sole determinant of job eligibility unless it's directly related to job performance.

Edit: And the employer has the burden of proof to show that it is.
 

mrkun

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Originally posted by: Phokus
For an accounting clerk? I think the job you're applying to is some sort of prank, not a real job.

I understand the sentiment but they seem legit.
 

irishScott

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Google requires the GLAT (Google Labs Aptitude Test) for some positions (even in PR). Don't see why someone else can't take an IQ.
 

mrkun

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Originally posted by: irishScott
Google requires the GLAT (Google Labs Aptitude Test) for some positions (even in PR). Don't see why someone else can't take an IQ.

Like I said, it's not that they can't use a general aptitude test as a part of the hiring decision; it's that they can't use it as the sole criterion in determining employment unless it's directly related to job performance (which I can't imagine a I.Q. test would qualify for); and further, the employer has the burden of proof in showing that the test does directly correlate to job performance.
 

jagec

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Originally posted by: irishScott
Google requires the GLAT (Google Labs Aptitude Test) for some positions (even in PR). Don't see why someone else can't take an IQ.

Because an aptitude test demonstrates aptitude for that job. An IQ test is way too general to apply to one's job. There are a lot of people with high IQs who are terrible workers, and vice versa.
 

videogames101

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i can't see a reason to worry about it.. unless.... your IQ isn't above 120?

*gasp*

lol.....
 

mrkun

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Originally posted by: videogames101
i can't see a reason to worry about it.. unless.... your IQ isn't above 120?

*gasp*

lol.....

Hehe. Actually, I scored 131 on the test they gave me. Still though, the fact that they do this bothers me.
 

Skunkwourk

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The only time I ever took an IQ test was back in 2nd grade where they said I was "gifted" and put in the magnet program. I think it was all BS.

Edit: I do remember the hardest part of the test for me was this weird puzzle they told me to finish.
 
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Originally posted by: mrkun
Originally posted by: videogames101
i can't see a reason to worry about it.. unless.... your IQ isn't above 120?

*gasp*

lol.....

Hehe. Actually, I scored 131 on the test they gave me. Still though, the fact that they do this bothers me.

Wait, so you already did their IQ test then? It sounded like you were saying they shouldn't be doing that but then said "hey, they should not be allowed to do this, but I'm going to let them do it anyways"

I see they had a curve. :D
 

mrkun

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Originally posted by: darkswordsman17
Wait, so you already did their IQ test then? It sounded like you were saying they shouldn't be doing that but then said "hey, they should not be allowed to do this, but I'm going to let them do it anyways"

I see they had a curve. :D

Oh, they gave me a link to a specific online IQ test they wanted me to take. I took the test after making the original post. So yeah, I passed but I still think what they're doing is illegal.

And yes, all IQ tests are curved. :p

Edit: All that scoring above 120 does is get me an interview. I think it would be pretty cool to interview, get offered the job, say "what you're doing is illegal and you're morons for having a 120 IQ as a requirement" and then reject the offer.
 

videogames101

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Originally posted by: mrkun
Originally posted by: darkswordsman17
Wait, so you already did their IQ test then? It sounded like you were saying they shouldn't be doing that but then said "hey, they should not be allowed to do this, but I'm going to let them do it anyways"

I see they had a curve. :D

Oh, they gave me a link to a specific online IQ test they wanted me to take. I took the test after making the original post. So yeah, I passed but I still think what they're doing is illegal.

And yes, all IQ tests are curved. :p

Edit: All that scoring above 120 does is get me an interview. I think it would be pretty cool to interview, get offered the job, say "what you're doing is illegal and you're morons for having a 120 IQ as a requirement" and then reject the offer.

as awesome as it would be, you've just lost a job offer... potentially
 

mrkun

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Originally posted by: videogames101
as awesome as it would be, you've just lost a job offer... potentially

I know. I didn't say that's what I'm actually going to do. lol
 

alkemyst

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Originally posted by: m0mentary
The only time I ever took an IQ test was back in 2nd grade where they said I was "gifted" and put in the magnet program. I think it was all BS.

Edit: I do remember the hardest part of the test for me was this weird puzzle they told me to finish.

depending on IQ test 120 may be just about normal.

Most people that do well on IQ tests think they are actually bogus as they seemed basic, however; a lot of the things questioned are not easily done by many.

One of the hardest is taking a 2D image with cut and fold lines and constructing the 3D model in your head. Another is the pattern recognition and matching.

I scored close to genius, but was about 10points shy.

Just having a high IQ is like having a tankful of gas...it doesn't do anything by itself.

 

jagec

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Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: m0mentary
The only time I ever took an IQ test was back in 2nd grade where they said I was "gifted" and put in the magnet program. I think it was all BS.

Edit: I do remember the hardest part of the test for me was this weird puzzle they told me to finish.

depending on IQ test 120 may be just about normal.

It shouldn't be...they are supposed to average at 100. 120 is a ridiculously high IQ "requirement" for almost any job.
 

mugs

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Originally posted by: mrkun
Originally posted by: videogames101
i can't see a reason to worry about it.. unless.... your IQ isn't above 120?

*gasp*

lol.....

Hehe. Actually, I scored 131 on the test they gave me. Still though, the fact that they do this bothers me.

Why? If more companies did that, it would make you more marketable and you'd probably make more money.

Honestly, it bothers you that a company wants employees with above average intelligence? (top ~15%) :confused:
 

Cellulose

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The problem with IQ tests is they are simply Maths biased - good maths teachers will get very high scores on average - whether they can operate in a company efficiently or not has almost nothing to do with it.
 

alkemyst

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Originally posted by: Knobjockey
The problem with IQ tests is they are simply Maths biased - good maths teachers will get very high scores on average - whether they can operate in a company efficiently or not has almost nothing to do with it.

WTF?
 

alkemyst

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without knowing what IQ test was given, one cannot determine what S.D. 120 falls into.