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VirtualLarry

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http://promotions.newegg.com/amd/15-4678/index.html

Interesting little marketing campaign. I assume that they are comparing to other iGPUs, and not discrete.

Edit: Took the parameters off of the link. Still works for me. Maybe it checks referrer, try going to Newegg.com, then copy + paste the link into the same window.
 
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Shehriazad

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LoL and CS:GO aren't exactly demanding.... LoL runs on a toaster...so yes, you can totally play LoL maxed out on a 7870K and even have more than 60fps. Plus both of these games were tested on 8.1 even though they run a bit better on 10...just sayin'


And at least on that poster they only compare 7670k and 7870k...so I really don't see the problem here...I mean the info is right there...they even tell you what ram and what OS was used. I mean back in the day even my 7850K non OC would run Warframe maxed out (minus PhysX, duh) at a stable framerate somewhat above 30, so even relatively good looking titles can run on those chips...sheesh...first answer to the thread already being some AMD flame. Chiiiiill, we all know how your Intel CPUs are all vastly superior. *cough*
 
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DrMrLordX

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It's a decent marketing move on AMD's part. Game's like LoL, Dota2, and CS:GO have huge player bases. Why not let the public know that you can play games like that "just fine" with an AMD APU like the 7870k? It's not like they need a GTX 980Ti or anything.
 

LTC8K6

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It's a decent marketing move on AMD's part. Game's like LoL, Dota2, and CS:GO have huge player bases. Why not let the public know that you can play games like that "just fine" with an AMD APU like the 7870k? It's not like they need a GTX 980Ti or anything.

Isn't it a bit late, though?

We have Intel gen 9 out now, and the higher end 8th gen wasn't bad either.
 
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Isn't it a bit late, though?

We have Intel gen 9 out now, and the higher end 8th gen wasn't bad either.

Except for iris pro, on the desktop, AMD is still quite a bit faster. Problem is, a discrete card is barely more expensive and gives much better performance. In mobile only Carrizo is possibly competitive power wise, but it is hard to really know because of so few tests, and most are limited to 15 watts. It seems like a decent ad campaign though.
 

LTC8K6

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Except for iris pro, on the desktop, AMD is still quite a bit faster. Problem is, a discrete card is barely more expensive and gives much better performance. In mobile only Carrizo is possibly competitive power wise, but it is hard to really know because of so few tests, and most are limited to 15 watts. It seems like a decent ad campaign though.

I don't see how AMD's igp is "quite a bit faster" than intel's igp?

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/skylake-intel-core-i7-6700k-core-i5-6600k,4252-9.html
 

Deders

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Interesting that in GTAV the 530 is only slightly behind the GTS250, which is a re-badged 9800GTX+, which is a turbo version of the 8800GTX.
 

AtenRa

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Only Toms review has the HD530 faster :whiste:
Lets see some other reviews,

http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/85193-intel-core-i7-6700k-14nm-skylake/?page=6
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http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/core_i7_6700k_processor_review_desktop_skylake,15.html
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http://www.techspot.com/review/1041-intel-core-i7-6700k-skylake/page9.html
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Oh and dont forget, this is the $350 Core i7 6700K with 8MB L3 cache. Core i3 HD530 will be 5-10% slower.
 

Sweepr

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Only Toms review has the HD530 faster :whiste:
Lets see some other reviews,

Yes, let's see.

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Note that a lot of launch reviews used old/unspecified drivers. Gen 9 is a new architecture, there might be some improvement with up to date and future drivers. HD Graphics 530 is a solid upgrade in a lot of titles and yes, definitely closes the gap with AMD in mainstream (deal with it). The addition of GT2 to the Pentium lineup is a welcome addition as well.
 

AtenRa

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Wait why is Tom's so far off? What is the deal there?

Look at the games and settings they benched and you will understand.

Also, Half Life 2 for 2015 review ??? really ??? :rolleyes:

not only that but,

Haswell 4790K = 48,4fps
Skylake 6700K = 130fps

yea ok :p
 
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Toms numbers for both BW edram and 6700k seem very high for Intel. In my previous post, I was referring to the game.gpu tectAPU tests which show 7850k usually 1.5 to 2 times faster than HD4600. And lets face it most of those gaming on an Intel igp are using HD4600 or below, in laptops most likely.

I am sure 530 igpu will close the gap somewhat, but we need more tests to determine how much, but I seriously doubt Intel will match AMD on the desktop. Those numbers from tom's just seem..... off.
 

LTC8K6

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All those benches indicate to me that Intel's newer graphics are actually hanging right in there with the AMD apus.
 

DrMrLordX

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Isn't it a bit late, though?

Yes. They should have run an ad campaign like that in 2014, but oh well.

We have Intel gen 9 out now, and the higher end 8th gen wasn't bad either.

A 7870k brand new is ~$140. An i3-6100 is ~$170:

http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/cpu/#sort=a7&page=1&k=26&m=6&f=46
http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/cpu/#f=57&s=11&sort=a7&page=1

The 7870k is going to be faster in iGPU gaming than the i3-6100, at a lower price. Intel has closed the gap, though. Anything more than that, and you are charging enough for the APU that it is no longer desirable to the Steam crowd.

WRT anyone benching HL2 on an APU, it could be that they wanted to show Source engine performance. There are more modern Source titles with which to do that, though.
 

Tsavo

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I looked at the thread title and thought this is the day Virtual Larry goes to 11. The world can rest easy now.
 

Erenhardt

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Benching amd apu vs intel apu is a tricky beast.
Amd has slow cpu with fast igp and it is very easy to run into cpu bottleneck skewing the results like in the given example.
 

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AtenRa

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i3-6100's MSRP is $117, and you can, in fact, get them around MSRP from 3rd party Amazon sellers.

http://ark.intel.com/products/90729/Intel-Core-i3-6100-Processor-3M-Cache-3_70-GHz
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B015VPX2EO

The better comparison is 7870k at $140 and i3-6100 at $125.

The Core i3 6100 HD530 is 10-15% slower than the HD530 on the Core i7 6700K.

Look how slow the HD530 on the Core i5 6600K is, on the Core i3 6100 it will be even slower than that.
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Jovec

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Forest and Trees.

Intel IGPs are within striking distance of AMD's, and it's not that hard to argue that Intel could overtake them now if they wanted to move eDRAM into the entire lineup and take lower profit margins.

AMD needs new APU tech - whether HBM, new nodes, or something else - to keep their hardware lead, else it's likely gone by the end of 2016.
 

Seba

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For the same $140 you can get a Pentium Haswell (~$50) and a GTX 750 (~$90) that in games would destroy any AMD or Intel processor with integrated graphics.
 
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Benching amd apu vs intel apu is a tricky beast.
Amd has slow cpu with fast igp and it is very easy to run into cpu bottleneck skewing the results like in the given example.

Well, the final performance is the bottom line, doesnt really matter whether you are limited by cpu or igpu. So I would not call that skewed results. Just limited by a different factor. But the game doesnt somehow become more playable just because it is the cpu causing the limitation instead of the igpu. That is the whole point of an "APU" actually, everything on one package. The cpu is just as important as the igpu.