I pcie 16 slot vs 2 pcie 16 slot

[jimmyj68]

I'd like a board for P-35 that is high performing - without being overclocked- - a board that performs at best levels wihout needing a grest degree of tweaking to "normalize" its operation (it wants to be overclocked - will it work out of the box at "default settings". - - And I have no interest in SLI so don't want to pay for an unused PCIE 16 slot.

It will run a 45 nm cpu from Intel ---- has the requisite bells and whistles --sata, lan, etc.

From what I have seen - the more overclockable a board and the more pcie 16 slots, the more bells and whistles --and of course price.

The question --if I get a board with just a single video slot is it inherently inferior to the same makers double/triple slot boards?.

I'm calling it quits for tonight - I'll come back in the morning to see your thoughts.

Thanks loads, Jim J.

p.s. I'm getting ready for my last upgrade as a birthday present in June for me on turning 72. After June - my computer hobby gets replaced by books. I wanna make it a good one - not neccesarily an expensive one.😀

 

[Heidfirst]

Originally posted by: jimmyj68
The question --if I get a board with just a single video slot is it inherently inferior to the same makers double/triple slot boards?

for stock use, no.
take the abit IP35 & IP35 Pro - yes, the Pro has more features (often of the nice but not necessary type) & ultimately is the better mobo but at stock the performance of both will be the same & the IP35 is 60% of the price of the Pro so wins the vfm race by miles if you don't actually need/want those extra features.

 

[Billb2]

You could look at it like buying a new car. Any car you buy will do the "stock" 55mph speed limit. as any mobo will run the CPU, HDD, video and memory at stock speeds. Now, do you want power windows, air conditioning, ...2 x 16x slots?

 

[jimmyj68]

Gotcha! I never thought of it that way-the car I mean and I just went through that exercise for a new Highlander (side note: Toyota doesn't ship them with just a bell or a whistle. If you just want a bell and no whistle or vice-versa you can get it if you are willing to wait a couple of months. The good news is the economy downturn has made some dealers likely to throw in the bell with your whistle or vice-versa.)

So thanks for that heads-up. Upgrading to a new penryn/p-35 board will be a much easier decision now. Except for the Hybrid all the Highlanders are the same. It's bells and whistles and more profit for Toyota and the dealership/board maker.

Thanks again😀

By the by Billb2 - - - by your sig you definitely don't get caught up in the newer is better race. I can't remember how long ago I had that motherboard as my system. If only I had been as smart as you are - I'd have saved a sack of money. Now I'm running a DP965LT with a C2D 2.4 Gig. Your system types to this forum just like it does - hmmm.

 

[Billb2]

Originally posted by: jimmyj68
Gotcha! I never thought of it that way-the car I mean...

By the by Billb2 - - - by your sig you definitely don't get caught up in the newer is better race.

Your system types to this forum just like it does - hmmm.

No it doesn't, I have dual monitors, 30 Watt/CH 5.1 sound, and a striped RAID array!

All is not as it seems..........
I also have two watercooled, overclocked rigs and a phase change setup.
As with cars, once you got one that will go 160mph, you start looking for an antique to rebuild.

 

[Heidfirst]

Originally posted by: jimmyj68
Gotcha! I never thought of it that way-the car I mean and I just went through that exercise for a new Highlander (side note: Toyota doesn't ship them with just a bell or a whistle. If you just want a bell and no whistle or vice-versa you can get it if you are willing to wait a couple of months. The good news is the economy downturn has made some dealers likely to throw in the bell with your whistle or vice-versa.)

I've always found it interesting that the US & UK (perhaps European?) car buying experience is so different.
In the US people seem to expect to just walk into a dealer 1 afternoon & drive away in their new car there & then whereas in the UK we seem more likely to order an exact spec. of car from a dealer & wait for it to be made for us.

 

[jimmyj68]

That's an interesting concept - does the european car producer tailor productioin to demand -- or is that in the U.S they produce first and then try to create the demand? Toyota is not American of course (although they like a few other Japanese companies have extensive production facilities in the U.S.), but I expect they are forced to follow American standards of production and distribution.

That probably accounts for the production of fully loaded models far more than what is called "stripped" versions. If you produce and then hope to sell you have to maximize profit on every sale. Then at the end of the model year you can have big closeout sales, and not lose profits.

Interestingly, the highlander is still produced in Japan, and many of the bells and whistles are put on the vehcle at the port of entry into the U.S. So if you wnat a "stripped" highlander, you wait for the vehicle to be produced in Japan - sail across the Pacific, reach the port and stand in line behind the cars getting stuff added and then get shipped to a central distributor and then to the dealership where you asked for one without all the bells and whistles-in your choice of color and your trim line; base, sport, or limited. If you go to Toyotas web site and "build your own", you can't build a limited without an all most 2K option package. Another profit maker for all is that there are still people who go into the dealership, look at the price on the paper stuck to the window and buy the car at that price. I researched Edmunds on line and got info from Consumer Reports and knocked about $3500 of the window sticker. But I got a moonroof (which I could do without), leather heated seats, navigation system and automatic front and rear heating and cooling on the sport model just about bringing it up to Limited specs at a much reduced price.

 

[Heidfirst]

Originally posted by: jimmyj68
That's an interesting concept - does the european car producer tailor productioin to demand -- or is that in the U.S they produce first and then try to create the demand?

I honestly don't know.
British dealers/importers obviously carry some stock & certainly lots of options are dealer fit but still I can't think of anyone that I've known go out to buy a car here expecting to drive it home that day.

I've never worked in the car industry but I have worked in industries where customisation of a mass market product was possible & there it was usually both a company marketing plus (you can have exactly what you want & different from your neighbours) & added profitability (surcharge for non-standard).

Having said that cars are dearer here pro rata than in the US to start with so perhaps if you are going to pay that much more then you want it somewhat more tailored to your tastes?

 

[Billb2]

Originally posted by: Heidfirst

I honestly don't know.

Here in the US, in the "olden days/'1950's 60" you went in to the dealership, sat down with a salesman and went over a order sheet that listed all the accessories available. If you were buying a inexpensive model (Chevy/Ford) there might be 50 options, on an expensive model (Buick/Lincoln) ther might be 100. There wer no "packages" with power steraing/power windows/heated mirrors, etc., all together. You picked each option separately. When you got done, then you started negotiating price. When the price was finalized the car was ordered. 2-4 weeks typical delivery times. When the factory got your order, they built a car to match the order.

The dealership would have maybe 5 cars on display and maybe another 10 storred "on the back lot". Yeah, if you order was close to what the dealer had you could negotiate a price and take that, but few bought cars that way. Back then it didn't make sence to take a car with power steering/power brakes, that you didn't want just because the dealer had one in the red color you wanted. Pretty much everyone would wait for what they wanted to be built.

The problem was the factory production line never built two identical cars in a row. Not very efficient. The manufacxturers started listing accessory "packages" so they could produce runs of isentical cars. As time went on there were less and less individual options, and more and more "packages". So over 20 years of so the whole car buying "model" changed. Driver by the manufacturers trying to reduce production costs. So that now the dealer has 50 cars on display, 300 on the lot and ordering one is pretty senceless since what you want is probably available immediately, and you'll be "discouraged" from ordering by long delivery times.

Back "in the day" you could order a stripped out model, emormous V8, and power windows, and that's all. Try buying any car today with just those options.........

 

[Heidfirst]

Originally posted by: Billb2 So over 20 years of so the whole car buying "model" changed. Driver by the manufacturers trying to reduce production costs. So that now the dealer has 50 cars on display, 300 on the lot and ordering one is pretty senceless since what you want is probably available immediately, and you'll be "discouraged" from ordering by long delivery times.

Back "in the day" you could order a stripped out model, emormous V8, and power windows, and that's all. Try buying any car today with just those options.........

Interesting because modern production methods claim to be able to do customised production (obviously around a common core ) as efficently as building 1 product.
Indeed many production line no longer make just variants of 1 model but may make perhaps 3 different models & variants thereof (the wonders of robots).
Also been talking about this on a couple of other forums inc. to an Australian who now live in the US & in Australia the system apparently is very similar to the UK & very different from the US - he suffered from culture shock when he went to buy a car.
According to him at the dealers now you basically have the choice of low price/stripped to the bone or fully loaded & if you don't want to buy off the lot then the salespeople don't want to know you.

Part of the difference also appears to be regulatory/bureaucracy - a dealer sales manager for SAAB here says it's just not possible for someone to walk in, get all the paperwork done/approved & drive out the door in their new car in the same day.