I no longer consider myself a christian

[pete6032]

Have you tried starting a MySpace page? That might be a more appropriate medium for seeking the attention you want.

 

[ctark]

holy necro

Yes, but the necro had a purpose. I didn't necro just to necro.

 

[ctark]

Have you tried starting a MySpace page? That might be a more appropriate medium for seeking the attention you want.

Says the guy posting on an offtopic forum. You do realize this is a forum right?

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Jesus Christ I was crazy... and this is like, only mild crazy me...

May I add that CT was right?

yes other Dr. Crat, you may.


Also this thread is where I learned everything I knew about the term 'lovely human' was wrong... and likely based on an episode of 'clerks' the cartoon

 

[JEDIYoda]

Jesus still loves you!!!

 

[OverVolt]

This thread is older than 133Mhz SD-RAM.

 

[John Connor]

May I just interject and post something I read today? Like it matters to most of you idiots.

Matthew 5:10

Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

 

[OverVolt]

I knowwwwwwwww

 

[Angry Irishman]

I'm far from a kid, I'm 27 years old. Its just the easiest way to do it without throwing my beliefs in someone's face.

Could have fooled me Mr. Facebook.

 

[OverVolt]

Could have fooled me Mr. Facebook.

Lol you and me are like the only two people without a facebook like yea!!! That was a good one!

 

[Crono]

4. I'm no longer afraid to be wrong. I like to debate and I like to listen to others and exchange thoughts. I like listening to the greatest minds of our times (Richard Dawkins, NGD, L. Krauss) just to name a few. I generally feel like I care more about my fellow man and the world as a whole now that I don't have this fear of some invisible sky man that watches everything I do.

...

6. I'm still not a troll.

:hmm:

I can understand agreeing with the guy if you went atheist, but I don't understand how anyone can put him in the "greatest minds" category. Not that he's unintelligent, but he's just more vocally opposed to Christianity and religion than being a top researcher, philosopher, scientist, or whatever label you can apply to him.

EDIT: You could maybe say he's an excellent writer and speaker, but I think you'd have to limit yourself to atheism apologists to consider him great. There are a thousand other mathematicians, physicists, linguists, computer scientists, economists, writers, etc I'd take over him. Granted, I'm not an atheist, but even trying to be objective about it I don't see anything special about him other than the level of his commitment to Neo-Darwinism.

 

[zinfamous]

May I just interject and post something I read today? Like it matters to most of you idiots.

Matthew 5:10

Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

AT's #1 Christian has chimed in , folks.

 

[zinfamous]

:hmm:

I can understand agreeing with the guy if you went atheist, but I don't understand how anyone can put him in the "greatest minds" category. Not that he's unintelligent, but he's just more vocally opposed to Christianity and religion than being a top researcher, philosopher, scientist, or whatever label you can apply to him.

EDIT: You could maybe say he's an excellent writer and speaker, but I think you'd have to limit yourself to atheism apologists to consider him great. There are a thousand other mathematicians, physicists, linguists, computer scientists, economists, writers, etc I'd take over him. Granted, I'm not an atheist, but even trying to be objective about it I don't see anything special about him other than the level of his commitment to Neo-Darwinism.

Eh, not true, actually. His dogmatic anti-religion campaign is more of a very recent trajectory for him. He had established himself decades ago....that being said, much of his original selfish gene ideas where hogtittery then, and they are now (Despite his attempts to weasel away from his earlier published claims).

I think he is a brilliant individual, and he is one of the pillars of modern genetics--the good outweighs the bad. Particularly, I think he fails to address the very clear, and very necessary component religion played with the evolution of early humans. Obviously, a creature advanced enough to create its own deities, its own rules based on such deities to govern personal and social life is one of the central components that separated us from our cousins still swinging in trees and foraging for berries. TO dismiss the importance of religion in human evolution, even contemporary human society, is misguided.

I'm not the biggest fan of Neil DeGrasse Tyson, but he at least gets that.

 

[BudAshes]

May I just interject and post something I read today? Like it matters to most of you idiots.

Matthew 5:10

Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus was a liberal and likely a homosexual. How does that make you feel?

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

May I add that CT was right?

yes other Dr. Crat, you may.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

So here I am almost exactly 5 years later and I stumble upon this thread I started. A few observations and thoughts.

1. I'm ashamed I called someone a lovely human.

2. I'm still an atheist/agnostic. Some would argue they are different, but really they are essentially the same. Most of my friends are atheist. All of my family knows my stance, it has been the cause of some divide, mostly do to my choosing. I no longer have a relationship with my grandparents. Religion isn't the only reason, but it played a big part in my decision that I was just done with that part of my life. They are really conservative southern baptist Christians. I decided I didn't want my future kids getting their heads filled with their bat shit insane idea's about the world. (I'm engaged now)

3. I went from a staunch right wing republican to a someone who is a Bernie Sanders supporter. I wouldn't call myself a liberal. I don't necessarily like political labels. I like to separate each issue as its own issue and make a reasoned decision not based on what group i identify with believes in. Once you put all the religion BS aside and out of your mind it really opens up your view of the world and you think about things a different way. I liken my personal experience with religion as a sickness. It crept into every crevice of the way I acted and thought. When I was a "christian", I never acted the part. I had the belief part, but I didn't follow the "rules". But even so, it drastically changed the way I thought and acted in certain situations.

4. I'm no longer afraid to be wrong. I like to debate and I like to listen to others and exchange thoughts. I like listening to the greatest minds of our times (Richard Dawkins, NGD, L. Krauss) just to name a few. I generally feel like I care more about my fellow man and the world as a whole now that I don't have this fear of some invisible sky man that watches everything I do.

5. I never considered myself racist in the traditional sense. But being brought up the way I was, it would be next to impossible for some of my families discriminatory habits and remarks not to rub off on me. I have never been the type of person that would openly discriminate against someone in public, or do an action against that person because the color of their skin. To give an example, I would say I would not have had an open mind to the discrimination that some minorities face today in this country of ours. The reason I didn't have an open mind is because of how I was raised, and that racism kind of crept into that part of my life when dealing with the social issues of another race. To be more clear, I was essentially in denial that real issues existed and that it wasn't just as easy as "blacks commit more crimes". I suppose I'll always fight against that instinct, but now I'm aware of it. I think deep down we are all a little discriminatory against others not like ourselves. I think half the battle is knowing that about yourself.

6. I'm still not a troll.

7. The reason I decided to bump this thread is that maybe someone else is just coming into where I was 5 years ago. Plus its just kind of cool to see what a difference 5 years makes. I now see that Christianity does not have the monopoly on morality. I can now hold my own against any bible toting southerner ready to argue with me about religion or politics. Overall I feel like a more intelligent person, while still knowing that I'm ignorant about a lot of things. But things like logic and the scientific method have given me the tools necessary to solve many of life's little problems and queries.

I enjoyed reading this post, and I rescind my original "Fuck you, OP" from 5 years ago. You've changed my opinion of you.

 

[soulcougher73]

AT's #1 Christian has chimed in , folks.

But, its what Jesus would do....

 

[JEDIYoda]

I enjoyed reading this post, and I rescind my original "Fuck you, OP" from 5 years ago. You've changed my opinion of you.

Just WoW!!! You have Cerpin Taxt seal of approval! That should go along ways.....

 

[GagHalfrunt]

May I just interject and post something I read today? Like it matters to most of you idiots.

Matthew 5:10

Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Might I just interject and post something I read today? Like it matters to religious idiots, but it's equally as valid and as enlightening as yours...

Hey Diddle Diddle 1:3

"The cow jumped over the moon."

Amen!

OP, 5 years as an atheist, didn't god take one second out of his busy schedule of inventing new diseases and starving children who pray for food to appear to you and tell you to come back into the fold? No? Sounds like he doesn't care one way or the other, so I guess you made the right choice.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Might I just interject and post something I read today? Like it matters to religious idiots, but it's equally as valid and as enlightening as yours...

Hey Diddle Diddle 1:3

"The cow jumped over the moon."

Amen!

OP, 5 years as an atheist, didn't god take one second out of his busy schedule of inventing new diseases and starving children who pray for food to appear to you and tell you to come back into the fold? No? Sounds like he doesn't care one way or the other, so I guess you made the right choice.

You seriously can't take the teaching of Jesus as small-mindedly as you just pretended to.

Look at the alternatives vis a vis the evolution of man kind without that Christian ethos.

It sure isn't enlightened humanism.

In fact, the fact that the government doesn't hunt you down and kill you for disagreeing is essentially an outcome of the Christian ethos.

 

[BreadBoy1983]

Anything but Mormons or JWs, anything but those blowjobs

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Anything but Mormons or JWs, anything but those blowjobs

insightful.

Care to opine further regarding your particular bigotry... or you just don't like people knocking on your door.

 

[BreadBoy1983]

insightful.

Care to opine further regarding your particular bigotry... or you just don't like people knocking on your door.

Mormons:

Thinks they can become gods if they follow a bunch of redicklous rules

Do Creepy AF Temple Rituals

Their Women always smiling and acting like teachers in a high school special education class talking down to you

Uncomfy underwear

Thinks Homosexuality is wrong and thinks Black People were the result of a punishment for white people for staying neutral in a God-Satan War, now thats bigotry

JWs

Video Games are banned

Would rather have one of their own die then get a blood transfusion and justfies it by following a irrelevant OT Law

Child Abuse

Thinks Jesus is a sword-wielding Angel for fucks sakes

More of a business then a religion and they have no emotion

Both

Knock on doors if their not one of their own and harrass you to convert to their religion

always wear formal clothing, I hate it

 

[WelshBloke]

Eh, not true, actually. His dogmatic anti-religion campaign is more of a very recent trajectory for him. He had established himself decades ago....that being said, much of his original selfish gene ideas where hogtittery then, and they are now (Despite his attempts to weasel away from his earlier published claims).

I can see where his anti religion thing comes from honestly.

Most of the time its only politeness or disinterest that stops me from going "But really thats all bollocks isnt it? You cant really believe thats actually true?" when someone brings up a religious reason for something.

Its one thing to have an obviously good idea (dont kill people, dont steal other peoples shit), its totally another to say that a guy in the sky gave you that idea.

Once it gets to the stage that the guy in the sky is telling people to tell you that the hard scientific work you did is wrong regardless of the evidence you've pulled up youre still supposed to baby them and their views?

Seriously its time for the religious side to put up or shut up. You dont like some scientific theory? Stop whining about it and crying that everyone is being mean and is out to get you and show us why you're right instead.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

You seriously can't take the teaching of Jesus as small-mindedly as you just pretended to.

Look at the alternatives vis a vis the evolution of man kind without that Christian ethos.

It sure isn't enlightened humanism.

In fact, the fact that the government doesn't hunt you down and kill you for disagreeing is essentially an outcome of the Christian ethos.

Mankind evolved for about a million years without the "Christian ethos". And from the 1800 years of so of violence and bloodshed done in the name of Christianity since the invention of both the religion and the ethos, we were doing a lot better without it. Try to sound a little less desperate. Pray for the guidance to say something intelligent.