I no longer believe in Global Warming.. This video is why.

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IGBT

Lifer
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Originally posted by: XZeroII
Originally posted by: shoegazer
Originally posted by: Greenman
Just follow the money. Look at who gets paid and who writes the checks. Look at who stands to make enormous profit and who stands to lose. Also note that anything funded by, or done under UN direction is almost certainly tainted.

Last I checked, scientists don't stand to make "enormous profits."

It's not the scientists...it's everyone else. Look at Al Gore. He made millions from his film and it is benefiting the democratic party. Look at all of the organizations out there that would lose millions if global warming were disproven. How many people would lose their jobs?

If you think that money doesn't drive this movement then you are very blind, indeed.

..exactly. huge neolib frothing at the mouth scam to institutionalize co2 tax and emission credits racket. all to support big gov. who will be the first co2 czar?? algore?

 

iamaelephant

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Yup, because the deniers have nothing to gain by denying global warming, right?

When you can come up with a shred of proof that scientists have been fabricating evidence about global warming then by all means post it here. But in the mean time stop spreading lies and slandering people who are trying to do good science.
 
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Originally posted by: iamaelephant
When you can come up with a shred of proof that scientists have been fabricating evidence about global warming then by all means post it here. But in the mean time stop spreading lies and slandering people who are trying to do good science.

Not fabricating, just deliberately misinterpreting.
 

Jeff7

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Originally posted by: Macattak1
The problem is that their is no global warming. If there was, that means that the BBC should have scared the heck out of everyone with their global cooling decades back. I remember those shows. Greenhouse gases are not our enemies. Water Vapor is not our enemy. Carbon Dioxide is not our enemy. They run at their own cycle. Simply looking at historical temps shows that burning down all the forests in the US, Europe, Asia, South America, etc. did not cause our earth to just keep getting hotter and hotter and hotter.
All things in moderation. Too much of these things can be bad. Carbon dioxide - it did wonders for Venus. Water vapor - lots of it, plus plenty of solar energy = hurricanes. These are exaggerated examples of course, we're not going to turn into Venus or anything close, nor will we become a planet encased in perpetual hurricanes. Hell, cars produce ozone, but it's considered a pollutant. Why? If it's several miles above the surface, it's great stuff, good for reducing atmospheric penetration some UV wavelengths. If it's at the ground, people breathe it, which will irritate the respiratory tract considerably, as well as various mucous membranes; prolonged exposure may even cause lung problems.

The desire to change our ways with respect to global warming is simply for the sake of convenience. Earth won't become uninhabitable, it'd just get a bit more difficult. And maybe it is part of a natural cycle of warming. But if the planet is already warming up, and there exists the potential for weather patterns that threaten our happy comfortable little lives, then maybe it'd be a good idea to not give this natural cycle a boost. If someone's breaking into your house, you don't go open the front door and turn on the lights for him.

Granted, I don't think that things will be as dire as Gore speaks of. I wonder that he's not just trying to show the worst case scenario, in the hopes of getting something done.
Ask for something, get nothing.
Ask for everything, get a little.
Once it filters through all the people who call him a scammer and a has-been, the bit that remains might be more helpful than if he'd asked only for minor changes. If he'd start out asking for minor changes, they'd get filtered out entirely, and nothing would ever come of it.

 

Aharami

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ok i have a question for all those people who dont believe in global warming. regardless of whats causing global warming, do you agree that we're polluting and abusing this planet more than we have to? do you believe that polluting less will help keep nature's balance intact?
 

Auryg

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Originally posted by: Aharami
ok i have a question for all those people who dont believe in global warming. regardless of whats causing global warming, do you agree that we're polluting and abusing this planet more than we have to? do you believe that polluting less will help keep nature's balance intact?

Noone would disagree with that.

Question for you-lets say the CO2 isn't really causing any problems, and yet the entire environmental movement is focused on it, instead of other worthy causes. Isn't that a problem?
 

sandorski

No Lifer
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Originally posted by: Auryg
Originally posted by: Aharami
ok i have a question for all those people who dont believe in global warming. regardless of whats causing global warming, do you agree that we're polluting and abusing this planet more than we have to? do you believe that polluting less will help keep nature's balance intact?

Noone would disagree with that.

Question for you-lets say the CO2 isn't really causing any problems, and yet the entire environmental movement is focused on it, instead of other worthy causes. Isn't that a problem?

If it wasn't causing an issue, yes, that would be a problem. CO2 is causing an issue though, so no, it is not a problem.
 

Macattak1

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Originally posted by: Jeff7
Originally posted by: Macattak1
The problem is that their is no global warming. If there was, that means that the BBC should have scared the heck out of everyone with their global cooling decades back. I remember those shows. Greenhouse gases are not our enemies. Water Vapor is not our enemy. Carbon Dioxide is not our enemy. They run at their own cycle. Simply looking at historical temps shows that burning down all the forests in the US, Europe, Asia, South America, etc. did not cause our earth to just keep getting hotter and hotter and hotter.
All things in moderation. Too much of these things can be bad. Carbon dioxide - it did wonders for Venus. Water vapor - lots of it, plus plenty of solar energy = hurricanes. These are exaggerated examples of course, we're not going to turn into Venus or anything close, nor will we become a planet encased in perpetual hurricanes. Hell, cars produce ozone, but it's considered a pollutant. Why? If it's several miles above the surface, it's great stuff, good for reducing atmospheric penetration some UV wavelengths. If it's at the ground, people breathe it, which will irritate the respiratory tract considerably, as well as various mucous membranes; prolonged exposure may even cause lung problems.

The desire to change our ways with respect to global warming is simply for the sake of convenience. Earth won't become uninhabitable, it'd just get a bit more difficult. And maybe it is part of a natural cycle of warming. But if the planet is already warming up, and there exists the potential for weather patterns that threaten our happy comfortable little lives, then maybe it'd be a good idea to not give this natural cycle a boost. If someone's breaking into your house, you don't go open the front door and turn on the lights for him.

Granted, I don't think that things will be as dire as Gore speaks of. I wonder that he's not just trying to show the worst case scenario, in the hopes of getting something done.
Ask for something, get nothing.
Ask for everything, get a little.
Once it filters through all the people who call him a scammer and a has-been, the bit that remains might be more helpful than if he'd asked only for minor changes. If he'd start out asking for minor changes, they'd get filtered out entirely, and nothing would ever come of it.

Greetings,

I can easily agree with most of that, if one wants to take it in the lite of what we should do in 100 years when the temp drops a whole degree or 2 below the 1/2 a degree it has risin.

Things run in trends. The stock market, one job, ones happyness, building, health scares, and weather.

I am sorry, but Gores interest in this is money. Look at the company that he ownes. It is precisely and only built around CO2 credits and such. Go to thier web page and read what they do and invest in.

Crazy stuff man.

Peace and Blessings
 

IGBT

Lifer
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Originally posted by: iamaelephant
Yup, because the deniers have nothing to gain by denying global warming, right?

When you can come up with a shred of proof that scientists have been fabricating evidence about global warming then by all means post it here. But in the mean time stop spreading lies and slandering people who are trying to do good science.

..voodoo science driven by faulty computer models.. pick and choose analysis to fit a eco-alarmist agenda? We are witnessing a great becoming of fraud and corruption under the guise of "good science"..and fractured collections of conspired testimony.

 

irishScott

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Common sense says we must have some effect on the climate.

"None of the data for the last thousand years shows that the earth has warmed due to Co2"

In the past, there wasn't enough to make a difference dipsh!t.

God these people are idiots.

It may not be the be-all-end-all cause, but it has some effect.

And why shouldn't we be green? If it's done right, the worst it will do is create more efficient products and industry.
 

jagec

Lifer
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Originally posted by: XZeroII
It's not the scientists...it's everyone else. Look at Al Gore. He made millions from his film and it is benefiting the democratic party. Look at all of the organizations out there that would lose millions if global warming were disproven. How many people would lose their jobs?

If you think that money doesn't drive this movement then you are very blind, indeed.

And of course, NO ONE stands to gain money by disproving it:confused:
 

Pacfanweb

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Originally posted by: Aharami
ok i have a question for all those people who dont believe in global warming. regardless of whats causing global warming, do you agree that we're polluting and abusing this planet more than we have to? do you believe that polluting less will help keep nature's balance intact?
Sure, but that's changing the subject entirely.
 
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Originally posted by: irishScott
Common sense says we must have some effect on the climate.

"None of the data for the last thousand years shows that the earth has warmed due to Co2"

In the past, there wasn't enough to make a difference dipsh!t.

God these people are idiots.

It may not be the be-all-end-all cause, but it has some effect.

And why shouldn't we be green? If it's done right, the worst it will do is create more efficient products and industry.

Even today, they stated that mankind is accountable for a single digit percentage of overall CO2 emmissions. And that CO2 makes up like .03% of our atmosphere and that CO2, for all we know has little to no effect on temperature and that CO2 levels have been hundreds of times higher in the past than they are today.

It's funny cause most of you are so apt to call other people sheeple and here you are the absolute epitome of herd animals flocking to gobble up the media and politicians' latest offering. Then, when faced with the realization that you might BE that which you've despised all along, you go into denial.
 

kindest

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While the idea of Global warming may or may not be propaganda or more media scaring the public crap but us using the atmosphere as our toilet and possibly screwing things up forever is sad and true.
 

irishScott

Lifer
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Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: irishScott
Common sense says we must have some effect on the climate.

"None of the data for the last thousand years shows that the earth has warmed due to Co2"

In the past, there wasn't enough to make a difference dipsh!t.

God these people are idiots.

It may not be the be-all-end-all cause, but it has some effect.

And why shouldn't we be green? If it's done right, the worst it will do is create more efficient products and industry.

Even today, they stated that mankind is accountable for a single digit percentage of overall CO2 emmissions. And that CO2 makes up like .03% of our atmosphere and that CO2, for all we know has little to no effect on temperature and that CO2 levels have been hundreds of times higher in the past than they are today.

It's funny cause most of you are so apt to call other people sheeple and here you are the absolute epitome of herd animals flocking to gobble up the media and politicians' latest offering. Then, when faced with the realization that you might BE that which you've despised all along, you go into denial.

Fine. Now explain to me why we shouldn't be green. Real or not, I'd rather have nothing to lose.
 
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Originally posted by: irishScott
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: irishScott
Common sense says we must have some effect on the climate.

"None of the data for the last thousand years shows that the earth has warmed due to Co2"

In the past, there wasn't enough to make a difference dipsh!t.

God these people are idiots.

It may not be the be-all-end-all cause, but it has some effect.

And why shouldn't we be green? If it's done right, the worst it will do is create more efficient products and industry.

Even today, they stated that mankind is accountable for a single digit percentage of overall CO2 emmissions. And that CO2 makes up like .03% of our atmosphere and that CO2, for all we know has little to no effect on temperature and that CO2 levels have been hundreds of times higher in the past than they are today.

It's funny cause most of you are so apt to call other people sheeple and here you are the absolute epitome of herd animals flocking to gobble up the media and politicians' latest offering. Then, when faced with the realization that you might BE that which you've despised all along, you go into denial.

Fine. Now explain to me why we shouldn't be green. Real or not, I'd rather have nothing to lose.

Because "being green" as this video argues, makes it impossible for developing nations to develop. Don't let those Africans setup power plants or it'll be the end of us!!!!

I guess you should beleve in God too because, real or not, you got nothing to lose.
 

IGBT

Lifer
Jul 16, 2001
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Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: irishScott
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: irishScott
Common sense says we must have some effect on the climate.

"None of the data for the last thousand years shows that the earth has warmed due to Co2"

In the past, there wasn't enough to make a difference dipsh!t.

God these people are idiots.

It may not be the be-all-end-all cause, but it has some effect.

And why shouldn't we be green? If it's done right, the worst it will do is create more efficient products and industry.

Even today, they stated that mankind is accountable for a single digit percentage of overall CO2 emmissions. And that CO2 makes up like .03% of our atmosphere and that CO2, for all we know has little to no effect on temperature and that CO2 levels have been hundreds of times higher in the past than they are today.

It's funny cause most of you are so apt to call other people sheeple and here you are the absolute epitome of herd animals flocking to gobble up the media and politicians' latest offering. Then, when faced with the realization that you might BE that which you've despised all along, you go into denial.

Fine. Now explain to me why we shouldn't be green. Real or not, I'd rather have nothing to lose.

Because "being green" as this video argues, makes it impossible for developing nations to develop. Don't let those Africans setup power plants or it'll be the end of us!!!!

I guess you should beleve in God too because, real or not, you got nothing to lose.


..neolibs certainly don't want developing nations to industrilalize and become self supporting. Thus the enviro-alarmist drum beat. The fundamentals of their anti capitalistic world models would collapse. Now is it any wonder why the environmental movement has become a comfortable place to hide for the worlds socialists and former soviet union communists??

 

Beev

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Regardless of if global warming "exists" or not isn't my issue. If it DOES exist then nothing notable will happen in my lifetime regardless. And I couldn't give two sh!ts about anyone alive after I die.
 

irishScott

Lifer
Oct 10, 2006
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Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: irishScott
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: irishScott
Common sense says we must have some effect on the climate.

"None of the data for the last thousand years shows that the earth has warmed due to Co2"

In the past, there wasn't enough to make a difference dipsh!t.

God these people are idiots.

It may not be the be-all-end-all cause, but it has some effect.

And why shouldn't we be green? If it's done right, the worst it will do is create more efficient products and industry.

Even today, they stated that mankind is accountable for a single digit percentage of overall CO2 emmissions. And that CO2 makes up like .03% of our atmosphere and that CO2, for all we know has little to no effect on temperature and that CO2 levels have been hundreds of times higher in the past than they are today.

It's funny cause most of you are so apt to call other people sheeple and here you are the absolute epitome of herd animals flocking to gobble up the media and politicians' latest offering. Then, when faced with the realization that you might BE that which you've despised all along, you go into denial.

Fine. Now explain to me why we shouldn't be green. Real or not, I'd rather have nothing to lose.

Because "being green" as this video argues, makes it impossible for developing nations to develop. Don't let those Africans setup power plants or it'll be the end of us!!!!

I guess you should beleve in God too because, real or not, you got nothing to lose.

Only when people get too fanatical about it. Your Africa example is people getting too fanatical. I seriously doubt the latest hybrid cars or a lack of SUVs on the road are going to hurt Africa anytime soon.

And going back to your original argument, who is "they"?

We can go on forever citing various experimental studies that prove contradictory results, with each source as reputable as the last.

And even if your argument about the levels of Co2 is true, remember that all it takes is a degree or two for us to see a minimum effect (or so "they" claim). We're not talking a huge jump here.

And yes I do believe in god, albeit in the most secular form possible, and feel no shame about it. And I don't believe in him simply because I will have "Nothing to lose".
 

thujone

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Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: techs
B.S. youtube video versus nearly EVERY peer reviewed climate study?
I guess only the internet brainwashed would believe youtube.

if i put Gores Inconvient truth on youtube then will you not belive it?

not believing in global warming just because you hate al gore is pretty trashy.


that being said... i believe in global warming because of scientific studies.
 

iamaelephant

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Originally posted by: IGBT
Originally posted by: iamaelephant
Yup, because the deniers have nothing to gain by denying global warming, right?

When you can come up with a shred of proof that scientists have been fabricating evidence about global warming then by all means post it here. But in the mean time stop spreading lies and slandering people who are trying to do good science.

..voodoo science driven by faulty computer models.. pick and choose analysis to fit a eco-alarmist agenda? We are witnessing a great becoming of fraud and corruption under the guise of "good science"..and fractured collections of conspired testimony.

Show me the evidence of fraud. Put up or shut up.
 
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Originally posted by: iamaelephant
Originally posted by: IGBT
Originally posted by: iamaelephant
Yup, because the deniers have nothing to gain by denying global warming, right?

When you can come up with a shred of proof that scientists have been fabricating evidence about global warming then by all means post it here. But in the mean time stop spreading lies and slandering people who are trying to do good science.

..voodoo science driven by faulty computer models.. pick and choose analysis to fit a eco-alarmist agenda? We are witnessing a great becoming of fraud and corruption under the guise of "good science"..and fractured collections of conspired testimony.

Show me the evidence of fraud. Put up or shut up.

All we've done is offer scientific evidence that humanity's CO2 emmissions might not be the cause of global warming. Isn't that the scientific method....to try out different hypothesis.

The fun part is that we are proving how UNscientific scientists have been about the greenhouse effect and how those who swallowed their propoganda and showed such fury towards those who disagreed with them are nothing but impressionable idiots.
 

thujone

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Originally posted by: iamaelephant
Originally posted by: IGBT
Originally posted by: iamaelephant
Yup, because the deniers have nothing to gain by denying global warming, right?

When you can come up with a shred of proof that scientists have been fabricating evidence about global warming then by all means post it here. But in the mean time stop spreading lies and slandering people who are trying to do good science.

..voodoo science driven by faulty computer models.. pick and choose analysis to fit a eco-alarmist agenda? We are witnessing a great becoming of fraud and corruption under the guise of "good science"..and fractured collections of conspired testimony.

Show me the evidence of fraud. Put up or shut up.

the thing i don't understand about all this is... what's the benefit of proving global warming? ultimately it brings up more problems than solutions... and the solutions that usually are suggested aren't changes that are going to be an easy, bandaid fix.

whereas proving it DOESN'T exist has HUGE monetary benefits to LOTS of people... both directly and indirectly.

usually when looking for ulterior motives... that's where you look first... who stands to profit. and i don't think it's the scientists.

i guess my point is... no one WANTS global warming to exist.
 

sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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Originally posted by: IGBT
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: irishScott
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: irishScott
Common sense says we must have some effect on the climate.

"None of the data for the last thousand years shows that the earth has warmed due to Co2"

In the past, there wasn't enough to make a difference dipsh!t.

God these people are idiots.

It may not be the be-all-end-all cause, but it has some effect.

And why shouldn't we be green? If it's done right, the worst it will do is create more efficient products and industry.

Even today, they stated that mankind is accountable for a single digit percentage of overall CO2 emmissions. And that CO2 makes up like .03% of our atmosphere and that CO2, for all we know has little to no effect on temperature and that CO2 levels have been hundreds of times higher in the past than they are today.

It's funny cause most of you are so apt to call other people sheeple and here you are the absolute epitome of herd animals flocking to gobble up the media and politicians' latest offering. Then, when faced with the realization that you might BE that which you've despised all along, you go into denial.

Fine. Now explain to me why we shouldn't be green. Real or not, I'd rather have nothing to lose.

Because "being green" as this video argues, makes it impossible for developing nations to develop. Don't let those Africans setup power plants or it'll be the end of us!!!!

I guess you should beleve in God too because, real or not, you got nothing to lose.


..neolibs certainly don't want developing nations to industrilalize and become self supporting. Thus the enviro-alarmist drum beat. The fundamentals of their anti capitalistic world models would collapse. Now is it any wonder why the environmental movement has become a comfortable place to hide for the worlds socialists and former soviet union communists??

ridiculous
 

thujone

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now i see what i was missing by reading only the first few and last few posts in this thread.

it's not about global warming.

it's about bashing "libs"