I need some P3 edumacation!

[stultus]

So, I have recently obtained a P3 1.13 133FSB chip (socket). I'd like to use it, but I know nothing about this era of P3s. What chipsets should I be looking for? Do I need a slotket? Does this chip OC at all? Are there crowd-favorite motherboards for it?

I just don't know anything about this, but this is a better chip to server a (single) game server off of than dual P3-800s, so I'm thinking I should build a server/web box based on it.

Thanks for any help/comments.

 

[microAmp]

Chipset: 440BX

Don't need a slotket unless you are going to use a Slot 1 motherboard. They do make both sockets and slots for 440BX.

Don't know about motherboard favorites, but when someone recommends one, check out the For Sale/For Trade forum here to see if any is listed.

 

[mikecel79]

A PIII 1.13Ghz won't work in in a 440BX board. First it doesn't support a 133FSB and 2nd it doesn't support the Tualatin processors that his is. One that would work, and would be much better suited, is something based on the 815EP chipset. The Asus TUSL2-C is a great board.

 

[boyRacer]

Originally posted by: mikecel79
A PIII 1.13Ghz won't work in in a 440BX board. First it doesn't support a 133FSB and 2nd it doesn't support the Tualatin processors that his is. One that would work, and would be much better suited, is something based on the 815EP chipset. The Asus TUSL2-C is a great board.

Yep. Where's Asus Hui?... i mean Andy...

 

[zener]

If your p3 is 1.13 GHZ and have 512K L2 cache then it has a tulatin core. In this case, only 815 chipset with Tulatin support like Asus Tusl-c can handle that. Of course you could mod your slocket adapter and use a BX chipset mobo however you will run into the problem with your AGP running out of spec at 133 fsb.

 

[stultus]

I just did a FS/FT search for TUSL and the only hit there was someone selling the board for $80. This seems, ah, insane, considering this is an old chip.

 

[boyRacer]

Originally posted by: zener
If your p3 is 1.13 GHZ and have 512K L2 cache then it has a tulatin core. In this case, only 815 chipset with Tulatin support like Asus Tusl-c can handle that. Of course you could mod your slocket adapter and use a BX chipset mobo however you will run into the problem with your AGP running out of spec at 133 fsb.

Some BXs have no problems with that... my Asus CUBX though kept locking with a Celeron Tualatin which was 100FSB... my CUSL2-C though had no problems with a modded tualatin at all.

 

[oldfart]

You can get a Soyo TISU 815EP board for $53 @ mwave.com.

 

[mikecel79]

Originally posted by: stultus
I just did a FS/FT search for TUSL and the only hit there was someone selling the board for $80. This seems, ah, insane, considering this is an old chip.

Ebay has a few up there. One guy is selling one for $60 brand new.

 

[ChefJoe]

http://www.compgeeks.com/details.asp?invtid=SY-TISU

looks ok for $57.00 .

 

[stultus]

If I was looking for a mobo to run an old athlon (say, 1.2 GHz) $30 would be more what I would expect... but $80? I can buy nforce2 brand new for a few pennies more (and, granted, have to buy a new proc, like a $44 1700 tbredb that would be a whole helluva lot more powerful than a 1.13 P3).

 

[oldfart]

And BTW, the TUSL2 was NOT the best board for a Tually S370. The best was the Abit ST6, followed by the Gigabyte GA6OXET.

 

[0roo0roo]

omg, that was the last of the non cumine p3. some were recalled from what i remembered because intel basically was overclocking their chips going that high b4 they were ready. zero overclocking potential, little cookers. it was intels little fiasco. but seriously, can u get a motherboard for free? frys has been selling 1.7ghz celly + ecs m/b for 59, ecs + athlon xp 2000+ for 69 just last week. and those are loads faster already. if i had that chip i wouldn't spend more then 20 bux for a motherboard

 

[ChefJoe]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
omg, that was the last of the non cumine p3. some were recalled from what i remembered because intel basically was overclocking their chips going that high b4 they were ready. zero overclocking potential, little cookers. it was intels little fiasco. but seriously, can u get a motherboard for free? frys has been selling 1.7ghz celly + ecs m/b for 59, ecs + athlon xp 2000+ for 69 just last week. and those are loads faster already. if i had that chip i wouldn't spend more then 20 bux for a motherboard

You're mistaken. That P3 1.1 fiasco was a Katami core running at 1.1 GHz with 100 FSB in a slot1 form factor. That prompted the move to CuMine tech. Much later, OEMs were able to get a 1.1 GHz CuMine at 100 FSB in socket 370 form (of which I have one... slotketed to my Abit BE6-II 2.0 board) but that CPU never made it into retail packages.

The chip being talked about here is a tualatin core... http://www.intel.com/support/processors/sspec/p3p.htm will have stepping codes - P3 1.13 with 133 FSB are all tXX core stepping.

 

[dexvx]

Originally posted by: ChefJoe

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
omg, that was the last of the non cumine p3. some were recalled from what i remembered because intel basically was overclocking their chips going that high b4 they were ready. zero overclocking potential, little cookers. it was intels little fiasco. but seriously, can u get a motherboard for free? frys has been selling 1.7ghz celly + ecs m/b for 59, ecs + athlon xp 2000+ for 69 just last week. and those are loads faster already. if i had that chip i wouldn't spend more then 20 bux for a motherboard

You're mistaken. That P3 1.1 fiasco was a Katami core running at 1.1 GHz with 100 FSB in a slot1 form factor. That prompted the move to CuMine tech. Much later, OEMs were able to get a 1.1 GHz CuMine at 100 FSB in socket 370 form (of which I have one... slotketed to my Abit BE6-II 2.0 board) but that CPU never made it into retail packages.

The chip being talked about here is a tualatin core... http://www.intel.com/support/processors/sspec/p3p.htm will have stepping codes.

Actually it was coppermine core. Katmai never made it past 600.

 

[Dennis Travis]

The Abit that oldfart suggested is a good board for a tully but I have also had very good performance and rock soild stability from this board. MSI 694T PRO (6309-470) VIA 694X PIII/ Tualatin/ Celeron/ VIA C3 SDRAM Socket 370 ATX MOTHERBOARD - RETAIL $57 on Newegg. I have 2 of them - one with a Tully 1.4 Ghz with 512K cache and it's rock stable. Never had one lockup or blue screen in over a year of HARD use. Takes 1.5 GB of 133 Ram. Good board for any Tualatin CPU.

 

[ChefJoe]

I stand corrected on the core used... They first introduced it as a slot1 design, but then went to socket 370.... the rest holds true.


Back to the OP's suggestion. While I'm all about using old hardware to make a cheap server, I think your efforts are misspent if you're trying to pull together old hardware that's no longer made. The price premium (that us fools with old hardware pay to keep it running) just isn't worth it. If starting from scratch, I suggest finding someones cared for 1 GHz era Athlon combo in the FS/FT forum and using some modern DDR. If using existing hardware, please let us know what we have to work with other than the cpu.

 

[GnomeCop]

I thought the 815 chipset was pretty good too, and newer

 

[Dennis Travis]

and yes, Dexvx is correct. The Intel CPU that had problems compliing the Linux Kernal was a Copermine core 1.13Ghz. It was Anand and Sharkey that reported on it as well as Tom Pabst. The 1.13 he has is for sure a Tualatin core.

From the Tualatins I have worked with I have found they overclock quite well.

 

[EdipisReks]

Originally posted by: Dennis Travis
and yes, Dexvx is correct. The Intel CPU that had problems compliing the Linux Kernal was a Copermine core 1.13Ghz. It was Anand and Sharkey that reported on it as well as Tom Pabst. The 1.13 he has is for sure a Tualatin core.

From the Tualatins I have worked with I have found they overclock quite well.

tom broke the story, so i would probably list him first.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: EdipisReks

Originally posted by: Dennis Travis
and yes, Dexvx is correct. The Intel CPU that had problems compliing the Linux Kernal was a Copermine core 1.13Ghz. It was Anand and Sharkey that reported on it as well as Tom Pabst. The 1.13 he has is for sure a Tualatin core.

From the Tualatins I have worked with I have found they overclock quite well.

tom broke the story, so i would probably list him first.

yup, tom was first. i brain fart/typoed cumine instead of tully grr i own both cumines/katmai's/and tuallys so i know

and yea, at 50 bux a board its not worth bothering with basically. its gotta be near free. if its cumine. slightly more reasonable if its tually, still slower then any xp/celly combo they'll sell u at frys for very little.

 

[stultus]

No, I don't have a free mobo for it. Basically, the chip has been sitting in a drawer, loose (no protection) for god-knows-how-long. Most likely the motherboard it was attached to had some problems and the chip was held on to just in case. I don't even know that it works. And now apparently it's not worth the premium to test it, AND I can't sell it because it's in unknown condition. A fine pickle.

I do have access to a dual P3-800 setup in a Tyan BX-based board. There's also probably a problem with that, but since I've got the CPUs, mobo, and ram all together it shouldn't be too hard to troubleshoot. However, I wanted to run a game server (as I mentioned above). A single 1.13 would be better for me to run a 24ish person bf1942 server than dual P3-800s (which is not SMP-enabled). But, since it seems the 1.13 route isnt cost effective, I'll try the dual setup.

In keeping with the topic of the thread, is there anything I should know about the dual P3 setup? I was told that the two chips would work separately but not together installed in the board. I've never touched a dual setup in my life. What are the steps in troubleshooting this? Can such boards boot from either slot being singly populated (i.e., can I test CPU1 in SLOT1, CPU1 in SLOT2, CPU2 in SLOT1, CPU2 in SLOT2, CPU1 in SLOT1 and CPU2 in SLOT2, CPU1 in SLOT2 and CPU2 in SLOT1)? If both chips work (as I've been told), what sort fixing can be done to get them to work together in the board - or, if they don't then is the board shot and am I wasting my time?

Sorry for the length :/

 

[ChefJoe]

That sounds like it may be related to the dual cpu requirement of processors having the same stepping code. I've never run a dual system but my understanding is that many dual CPU boards will run with only one processor or you can get two processors that are both the same stepping codes and that are capable of running in a dual processor system and run a dual.... though I'm guessing it'd be best to not try to keep a windows install if playing around with a dual cpu system and then trying to go to single or vice versa.

 

[stultus]

They are the same stepping and did work together at some point. What I'm saying is that I think the problem is with the motherboard and I'm not sure what the best way to troubleshoot it would be.

 

[mikecel79]

You would probably need a terminator card to sit in the 2nd slot in order to use 1 CPU. Also with most Dually BX boards you must use the first slot before you use the 2nd slot so you can't test just the 2nd slot with no CPU in the first. What board is it?

I've never run a game server before but from what I understand it doesn't actually run the graphics engine, just the underlying game engine. A Dual 800 would be plenty powerful for that. The graphics are what eat up all the power.