I need some chemicals - you know, nitric acid, hexamine,

[Mark R]

Well, I only really wanted the nitric acid.

Anyway, google found me a potential supplier:
Link

WTF? Look at that list of products on the first page.

That can't possibly be legit? Can it?

 

[xanis]

I don't what you're planning on making, but I'm pretty sure it's neither legal nor safe.

 

[PottedMeat]

Hahah that page is pretty funny - are those their 'popular' products?
Ammonium Nitrate - bomb?
Magnesium Ribbon - igniter?
Chloroform - rapists? kidnappers?
Iron Oxide + Aluminum Powder - Thermite? ( can't remember )

Maybe its a front for scotland yard?

 

[Babbles]

You probably need a hazardous materials license - or whatever your respect state would call it - in order to receive some of those items. However many of those items are pretty harmless and safe so they may be legal to get, however if they are being shipped internationally I am sure it would raise a few eyebrows.

Powdered aluminum is probably safe to get, mercury probably not so much (I'm sure you would have to have a heavy metals/hazards materials license to get that).

 

[Gibsons]

Red phosphorous? pretty sure if you attempt to buy that in the states you get a visit from the FDA. Not to mention all the other equally suspect stuff.

 

[BD2003]

I doubt most of those can be shipped internationally, but it honestly isn't all to hard to get any chemical you want.

 

[schneiderguy]

homeland security is going to be knocking on your door in about 5 minutes :Q

 

[drinkmorejava]

haha yeah I was like:

iron oxide- catalyst
potassium perchlorate- oxidizer
aluminum powder and/or ammonium nitrate- fuel

I think someone wants to do some very naughty stuff.

 

[technophile82]

get a job at an analytical lab and order some "for your company".

 

[TheGizmo]

damn no ergotamine tartrate.. doh

edit: sp

 

[440sixpack]

Nitric acid is pretty easy, I get it for my company through Fisher Scientific, although there's undoubtedly cheaper options. We've also ordered hydrochloric acid and hydrogen peroxide from them, along with a bunch of instrument standards and calibration solutions.

 

[OSX]

Originally posted by: PottedMeat

Hahah that page is pretty funny - are those their 'popular' products?
Ammonium Nitrate - bomb?
Magnesium Ribbon - igniter?
Chloroform - rapists? kidnappers?
Iron Oxide + Aluminum Powder - Thermite? ( can't remember )

Maybe its a front for scotland yard?

IIRC, Thermite is Iron Oxide and Aluminum Oxide. It has a high ignition temprature, so that's where the magnesium ribbon comes in. You could also have some fun with the Red Phosphorous.

Of course, you could get some pure Ammonium Nitrate and mix it with diesel fuel.

 

[SVT Cobra]

Oooohhh magnesium strips, those are fun to light on fire, the flashes are blinding when it first catches!


Most of those chemicals seem like they could be found in a college chem lab, so I doubt it's really that suspicious.

 

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: F22 Raptor
Oooohhh magnesium strips, those are fun to light on fire, the flashes are blinding when it first catches!


Most of those chemicals seem like they could be found in a college chem lab, so I doubt it's really that suspicious.

They have a very small list of chemicals and most of them are easily recognizable as being components for conspicuous exothermic reactions or creating a product that's a neurotransmitter.

They don't have LAH though!

 

[GML3G0]

THIS CHLOROFORM IS VERY PURE AND WILL BE DELIVERED IN A TIMELY MANNOR.

Sounds legit.

:roll:

 

[DrPizza]

Hexamine??

Is that short for hexamethylenetetramine? (IIRC) - one of two complexes formed during the dehydration of formaldehyde and ammonia?
And used for making plastic explosives? (RDX)

Oh great... now I'm on a list somewhere. Black helicopters are circling my house. Hey! It's not my fault! I had an awesome organic chemistry teacher. 18 years ago, I received a "D" in organic chem, and I still remember more reactions than many people receiving A's in organic chem ever learn.

 

[TonyG]

Originally posted by: DrPizza
Hexamine??

Is that short for hexamethylenetetramine? (IIRC) - one of two complexes formed during the dehydration of formaldehyde and ammonia?
And used for making plastic explosives? (RDX)

Oh great... now I'm on a list somewhere. Black helicopters are circling my house. Hey! It's not my fault! I had an awesome organic chemistry teacher. 18 years ago, I received a "D" in organic chem, and I still remember more reactions than many people receiving A's in organic chem ever learn.

Hexamine is also sold as camp fuel tablets, although it may be listed as methenamine.
Ammonium nitrate can be easily purchased via any pharmacy or first aid care place as instant cold packs. They consist of the main pouch full of ammonium nitrate and a pouch of water.
For many of your chlorates and aluminum powders, and oxides and others look towards pyro supply companies. Although you can purchase some lower grade oxides at pottery supply houses for really cheap.
Your nitric acid though is something that is a liitle harder, or at least more expensive to get, especially if you want a high purity (ie 90%+).
What exactly are you up to?

Oh, and I would not order from that site, just doesn't give me good vibes, though it is possible they are legit, just doubtful. The government does setup sites occasionally listing stuff directed at meth labs....

 

[aplefka]

That's sweet. I know where I can shop for my physics teacher now if my grade drops too low. He used some stuff like that for demonstrations in chemistry.

 

[ChefJoe]

I think there are a few things on that list that you shouldn't have. If you want ammonia gas you're going to spend quite a bit on the lecture bottle it comes in. You may be better off liberating the ammonia from an aqueous solution. Nitric acid can be formed from a nitrate and a really strong acid.... kinetically driven by entropy.

Go to grad school in a chemistry department.... seeing as I can order any of those things, it's a viable solution.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: TonyG
Hexamine is also sold as camp fuel tablets, although it may be listed as methenamine.
Ammonium nitrate can be easily purchased via any pharmacy or first aid care place as instant cold packs. They consist of the main pouch full of ammonium nitrate and a pouch of water.
For many of your chlorates and aluminum powders, and oxides and others look towards pyro supply companies. Although you can purchase some lower grade oxides at pottery supply houses for really cheap.
Your nitric acid though is something that is a liitle harder, or at least more expensive to get, especially if you want a high purity (ie 90%+).
What exactly are you up to?

Oh, and I would not order from that site, just doesn't give me good vibes, though it is possible they are legit, just doubtful. The government does setup sites occasionally listing stuff directed at meth labs....

I'm not up to anything! I mentioned above that I had a really good organic chem teacher... It was pretty simple to learn - "don't fvck with this stuff if you enjoy having all your fingers, 2 eyes, ..."

 

[TonyG]

Originally posted by: DrPizza

I'm not up to anything! I mentioned above that I had a really good organic chem teacher... It was pretty simple to learn - "don't fvck with this stuff if you enjoy having all your fingers, 2 eyes, ..."

Sorry, didn't mean to point that question towards you, it was more meant for Mark R.

 

[SVT Cobra]

As for the amonium nitrate, hell with diesel fuel and a lot of bags of fertilizer you can make a crater 30 feet wide and 10 feet deep.

I read about it in the book Inside Delta Force, were they learned this type of stuff in case they were in a hostile country and had few supplies but still needed to pack a punch.


Crap someone just knocked on my door and black helicopters are surrounding my house...someone just burst through my win

 

[gsellis]

Originally posted by: Mark R
Well, I only really wanted the nitric acid.

Anyway, google found me a potential supplier:
Link

WTF? Look at that list of products on the first page.

That can't possibly be legit? Can it?

If you were playing with this and since you are looking for Nitric and did not list another ingredient (not glycerine), here is my prediction...

You are going to DIAF.

Nitroglycerine is more dangerous to make than to use.

//Was raised in a lab - not really, dad was a biochemist (MS) and had a MDiv (found that while working at Princeton - Albert was one of his bosses)

 

[Mark R]

ROLF.

All I wanted was some acid for heavy duty limescale removal - it doesn't really need to be nitric acid, pretty much any acid (apart from sufuric) would do nicely. Phosporic or hydrochloric would be acceptable alternatives.

As if I'd try to make nitroglycerine - there is a damned good reason why Alfred Nobel invented dynamite, nitroglycerine is far too dangerous to make and use.

If I wanted to make explosives, I'd make 'Composition 4' far more powerful, and far easier and safer to make than nitroglycerine - rather alarmingly, the ingredients for the key synthesis are on the 'front page' of that site.

 

[gsellis]

Originally posted by: Mark R
ROLF.

All I wanted was some acid for heavy duty limescale removal - it doesn't really need to be nitric acid, pretty much any acid (apart from sufuric) would do nicely. Phosporic or hydrochloric would be acceptable alternatives.

As if I'd try to make nitroglycerine - there is a damned good reason why Alfred Nobel invented dynamite, nitroglycerine is far too dangerous to make and use.

If I wanted to make explosives, I'd make 'Composition 4' far more powerful, and far easier and safer to make than nitroglycerine - rather alarmingly, the ingredients for the key synthesis are on the 'front page' of that site.

Well why didn't you say so. At The Home Depot, in the cleaning supplies, there is a ZEP Calcium, Rust, Lime remover that works well with lime. $10 for 1/2 or 1 gal (forget which). No odor and the fumes won't kill you. You may need to reapply it. Or, you could get distilled vinegar.