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Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Class D amps suck.

That 60Hz-20KHz rating is a joke too. Maybe 60Hz at -15dB, which means it's inaudible.
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according to dan wiggins, they do it, and ask ANYONE in the audio world who he is, and they know.
 
They look too small to have any bass, but then again, these speakers arent made for bass are they?

I would take em though
 
Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Class D amps suck.

That 60Hz-20KHz rating is a joke too. Maybe 60Hz at -15dB, which means it's inaudible.
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according to dan wiggins, they do it, and ask ANYONE in the audio world who he is, and they know.
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I tend follow logic and not to take ANYONE's words as dogma.
 
Dan Wiggins is a good man, and if he says so it's probably true. (-3dB)?

But that aside, my definition of a good speaker is one with a transparent translation of input, whether this speaker is capable of that is something nobody can convince me of, surely not without providing measurements.
 
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Class D amps suck.
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And you are an authority on this how?

Weren't you completely owned in your "I can't hear anything better than 128kbps/160kbps" thread anyway?

http://www.zaphaudio.com/audio-speaker18.html

These model at about -3.8dB (approx) @60Hz. I'm not sure how the X-1s were measured, but if they were measured in car, they could probably easily do -3db@60Hz.
 
Originally posted by: NanoStuff
Dan Wiggins is a good man, and if he says so it's probably true. (-3dB)?

But that aside, my definition of a good speaker is one with a transparent translation of input, whether this speaker is capable of that is something nobody can convince me of, surely not without providing measurements.
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<audiophile>
Measurements? Bah!
</audiophile>
 
Originally posted by: Howard
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Class D amps suck.
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And you are an authority on this how?

Weren't you completely owned in your "I can't hear anything better than 128kbps/160kbps" thread anyway?

http://www.zaphaudio.com/audio-speaker18.html

These model at about -3.8dB (approx) @60Hz. I'm not sure how the X-1s were measured, but if they were measured in car, they could probably easily do -3db@60Hz.
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its deffinately not unheard of to make small speakers have lower outputs, very unheard of for a true full range application.

however the owner/designer knows what he is doing.
 
Originally posted by: BigPoppa
Are you sure this isn't an april fools joke? Reading through that thread leads me to believe it is.
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its not, on the thread i linked, lok at the last pages or so, where he shows all the parts.

afaik it seems legit.
 
Originally posted by: Howard
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Class D amps suck.
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And you are an authority on this how?

Weren't you completely owned in your "I can't hear anything better than 128kbps/160kbps" thread anyway?

http://www.zaphaudio.com/audio-speaker18.html

These model at about -3.8dB (approx) @60Hz. I'm not sure how the X-1s were measured, but if they were measured in car, they could probably easily do -3db@60Hz.
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:roll:
-3dB is a lot. That's like less than half the volume. My Swan M200 speakers does 60Hz at -1.5dB, and it's barely audible in music. You have to be a fool to believe these 3" drivers could put out a reasonable amount of bass.
This is from your own link:
This speaker requires a subwoofer and a proper subwoofer crossover. Like all other 3" drivers, this speaker has serious harmonic distortion below 100hz. When running this system full range, the bass will sound thick, muddy and too heavy. It's not the driver's high Qts doing this, nor is it the choice of baffle step compensation. It's the 2nd and 3rd order harmonic distortion. When you play an 80hz tone through these, you also get a loud dose of 160hz and 240hz. Don't make the mistake of thinking more bass is better bass, particularly when "more" comes in the form harmonic distortion. This design has terrible bass distortion and should not be run full range. Period. You owe it to yourself to learn the sound of distorted bass. Run these full range, then take a listen with a good sub and a proper sub crossover. The difference will blow your mind, and then you'll understand what good bass really is.


Class D just means it's digital. Speakers work in analog, so you figure that one out.
http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/aud...lifiers/digital_classD_amplifiers.html
It's possible to build a very good class D amp, but most speakers with class D amps generally suck - think cheap digital USB speakers. The one in the OP's link looks like no exception.

 
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Originally posted by: Howard
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Class D amps suck.
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And you are an authority on this how?

Weren't you completely owned in your "I can't hear anything better than 128kbps/160kbps" thread anyway?

http://www.zaphaudio.com/audio-speaker18.html

These model at about -3.8dB (approx) @60Hz. I'm not sure how the X-1s were measured, but if they were measured in car, they could probably easily do -3db@60Hz.
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:roll:
-3dB is a lot. That's like less than half the volume. My Swan M200 speakers does 60Hz at -1.5dB, and it's barely audible in music. You have to be a fool to believe these 3" drivers could put out a reasonable amount of bass.
This is from your own link:
This speaker requires a subwoofer and a proper subwoofer crossover. Like all other 3" drivers, this speaker has serious harmonic distortion below 100hz. When running this system full range, the bass will sound thick, muddy and too heavy. It's not the driver's high Qts doing this, nor is it the choice of baffle step compensation. It's the 2nd and 3rd order harmonic distortion. When you play an 80hz tone through these, you also get a loud dose of 160hz and 240hz. Don't make the mistake of thinking more bass is better bass, particularly when "more" comes in the form harmonic distortion. This design has terrible bass distortion and should not be run full range. Period. You owe it to yourself to learn the sound of distorted bass. Run these full range, then take a listen with a good sub and a proper sub crossover. The difference will blow your mind, and then you'll understand what good bass really is.


Class D just means it's digital. Speakers work in analog, so you figure that one out.
http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/aud...lifiers/digital_classD_amplifiers.html
It's possible to build a very good class D amp, but most speakers with class D amps generally suck - think cheap digital USB speakers. The one in the OP's link looks like no exception.
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First of all, I said nothing about the bass quality, only that the specified response was not impossible.

Second,
It's possible to build a very good class D amp
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Way to backpedal.
 
Originally posted by: Howard
Second,
It's possible to build a very good class D amp
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Way to backpedal.
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Bose sucks too right? But they still have 1-2 good speakers out there(901). But they still suck.
Class D amps. Just about every class D amp out there sucks. Only a small handful are good. Thus, class D amps suck.

Anyways, I'm betting this thing is an april fools joke. If you look at the post at the really bottom of the link, he shows how he could get 60Hz from 2" drivers.. yes with headphones - and that's the only way it's possible to get that kind of USABLE range from such small drivers.
 
-3dB is not that much in the perceived amplitude scale. Not exactly insignificant, but -3dB is as standard still considered a part of the normal reproducible range give that is how much the frequency response of a speaker usually deviates. I sure as a hell wouldn't trust a speaker like that with all my bass work, and the graph seems to indicate -3dB at 70Hz.

What I'd me more concerned about is how the speaker sounds otherwise. Could be a good driver when paired with a tweeter and a real bass unit.

My dream speaker is a collossal electrostatic transducer 🙂 But I'd be willing to settle with a Hexacone driver and a ribbon tweeter.
 
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
April fools
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lol 0wn3d.
That's what happens when you take anyone's word without thinking.
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eh, i didnt see it until yesterday, and thus i barely glimpsed at them in terms of dates.

lots of work seeing as how 1/2 the board was in on it.
 
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Originally posted by: Howard
Second,
It's possible to build a very good class D amp
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Way to backpedal.
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Bose sucks too right? But they still have 1-2 good speakers out there(901). But they still suck.
Class D amps. Just about every class D amp out there sucks. Only a small handful are good. Thus, class D amps suck.

Anyways, I'm betting this thing is an april fools joke. If you look at the post at the really bottom of the link, he shows how he could get 60Hz from 2" drivers.. yes with headphones - and that's the only way it's possible to get that kind of USABLE range from such small drivers.
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There is a very large number of good-sounding Class D amps, as opposed to the few select Bose models which are only decent.
 
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