I need an application that can help me...

[phobe]

How old are they?

Also, I found this the other day.

MotionMan

Hi there, 14 years old, they're twins actually. I did check the link and wow, do you think it will work?

 

[phobe]

It does not matter what jurisdiction you or I are in:

1. You can track your kids;
2. You cannot track someone (other than your kids) without their permission.

MotionMan

I absolutely agree with you on this!

 

[MotionMan]

Hi there, 14 years old, they're twins actually. I did check the link and wow, do you think it will work?

It would need some modifications, and we generally do it anyway, but, with my kids, it would absolutely work.

The alternative is no phone, and my kids know it.

MotionMan

 

[cbrunny]

It does not matter what jurisdiction you or I are in:

1. You can track your kids;
2. You cannot track someone (other than your kids) without their permission.

MotionMan

In Canada, I'm not so sure this is as cut-and-dry as it is in the USA. I did a bit of googling around, and it looks like most of the jurisprudence around this issue is based in American courts, and mostly lower courts as well.

I suppose that doesn't make your statement false, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a legal battle emerge in Canada as to whether or not point number 1 is applicable in Canada (as I assume #2 is applicable). Section 7 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees "the right to life, liberty and security of the person and the right not to be deprived thereof except in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice."

I am interested in whether the courts would consider this type of surveillance on one's own children a principle of "fundamental justice." I would argue that cell phone tracking infringes on one's right to liberty.

But, I guess if the parent is paying for the cell phone for their child, and the child agrees to the "terms of use" (being that such tracking is a requisite to usage), the child has forfeited this particular right. But what happens if the child has, say, a part-time job and a pay-as-you-go plan that they are funding? I would argue that if the child has ownership of the phone, the carrier's account are in the name of the child, the phone is funded by the child, and the tracking is not agreed to by the child that this would violate Section 7.

 

[MotionMan]

In Canada, I'm not so sure this is as cut-and-dry as it is in the USA. I did a bit of googling around, and it looks like most of the jurisprudence around this issue is based in American courts, and mostly lower courts as well.

I suppose that doesn't make your statement false, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a legal battle emerge in Canada as to whether or not point number 1 is applicable in Canada (as I assume #2 is applicable). Section 7 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees "the right to life, liberty and security of the person and the right not to be deprived thereof except in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice."

I am interested in whether the courts would consider this type of surveillance on one's own children a principle of "fundamental justice." I would argue that cell phone tracking infringes on one's right to liberty.

But, I guess if the parent is paying for the cell phone for their child, and the child agrees to the "terms of use" (being that such tracking is a requisite to usage), the child has forfeited this particular right. But what happens if the child has, say, a part-time job and a pay-as-you-go plan that they are funding? I would argue that if the child has ownership of the phone, the carrier's account are in the name of the child, the phone is funded by the child, and the tracking is not agreed to by the child that this would violate Section 7.

I would find it hard to believe that a Canadian 8 year old can refuse to have his phone tracked by his parents, but, then again, we are talking about Canada.

MotionMan

 

[vshah]

try out cerberus for android - not free but very feature filled.

also if you enable google + instant uploads, any picture they take will be automatically uploaded. you'll need to know the password to their google account to view them though.

 

[cbrunny]

I would find it hard to believe that a Canadian 8 year old can refuse to have his phone tracked by his parents, but, then again, we are talking about Canada.

MotionMan

Haha... yes, probably true enough. I was thinking more about the 16 or 17 year old that might be in this position though.