I need a stereo amplifier? 500-1000 watts

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EliteRetard

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Parents...I didn't know they were buying the speakers like that. They wanted me to do all the work and research, and I was fine doing it...its the kind of gift I can give. I told them not to do in ceiling speakers and after arguing about it a little I figured they would just let me finish doing the research and make some reccomendations (at least find the wires first!).

I started looking at speakers but went back to ask them about some preferences. Maybe bookshelf or tower speakers in front? Did they really want 5.1 or would a 4.0 stereo setup work (save money or spend more per speaker for better sound) since they mostly listen to music and TV and I wasn't sure if they actually wanted a big ass subwoofer on the floor (they didnt) but they were just like oh yeah we went and ordered speakers already. I was like WTF?!

After installing them and listening they totally agreed on getting a sub, but it had to be tiny, cheap, and good. I told them you can't get all three...and I think after hearing their speakers and knowing what they paid they decided that maybe it was best to listen to me this time. I told them the best sub they could get cheap was going to be a big arse 2' cube (BIC F12 ~$150).

They bought it and were impressed with it, though it massively overpowers everything else (its set to like 5-8% power right now). Now theyre trying to make it a cofee table since they don't know where to put it (I did get a 25' RG6 cable for it). I told them to just find a table to sit over it (they wanted to build on top of it lol).

Ive basically been living at their place for a few months now lol...doing the research, trying to figure out the wiring and stupid crap already installed, drive around looking for and testing parts, order and wait for said parts, try setting things up, order more parts, try again, order more, find out half the stuff doesnt work, and try one more time to order/replace parts, and now Im waiting on those last peices hoping to finally get this thing hooked up correctly and then calibrate it as best I can, get a universal remote setup (got a harmony 650 or something) and then hope to hell the stupid house audio system doesnt fry everything.

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palehorse

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Well, the BIC F12 is certainly the best choice for that price range, so you did well there (I have a BIC PL200 that I love!) As for the rest, it sounds like you got ambushed, so I'm sorry to hear that! lol

Best of luck to ya man, I certainly know how parents can be!
 

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I despise those in wall volume controls, they really are the worst way to deal with volume control, they take the power from the amplifier and waste it as heat inside the control. It is much better to just use an amp for each room.
 

palehorse

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I despise those in wall volume controls, they really are the worst way to deal with volume control, they take the power from the amplifier and waste it as heat inside the control. It is much better to just use an amp for each room.
+1 -- especially since pro amps are so cheap and can be hidden away to eliminate their fan noise.

Me? I'm partial to my fanless Emotiva amps, but they're slightly more expensive. ;)
 

EliteRetard

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Fortunately its not my money or my house, I don't actually live there. Unfortunately those replacement parts don't actually work either :p

Everything requires HDMI, many things literally won't work without it, but their TV doesn't have HDMI...just a single component connection and a DVI connection. Tried getting an HDMI to DVI cable, didn't work...got another and the same thing. So the TV is borked and now they get no HD, no PC input, and no OSD (which they actually need). Don't know what else to try. Everything is pink, swaping cables and bypassing the receiver did nothing.

One odd thing, the receiver has a fan in it but never uses it. Its gets flaming hot, enough for the top metal to pop and click and probably fry an egg. REALLY not interested in packing everything up and shipping it all back. Screw that. Maybe I can rig up some other kind of fan or something?
 

palehorse

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Onkyo's are known for their heat (it's an Onkyo, right? I didn't look back in the thread).

Is it possible to run component from every source instead of HDMI? Component also carries HD signals, just without all the HDCP nonsense.

If not, with the HDMI->DVI converter (and even just straight HDMI), it's sometimes necessary to turn devices on in a very particular order to ensure the HDCP handshake happens properly.
 

palehorse

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Other things to try:

1) turning "HDMI Control" OFF on all devices (TV, source, and receiver). This feature has different names on different devices, so be sure to turn off the correct setting on every individual device. (see ALL user manuals). If doing so fixes the issue, you MAY, unfortunately, lose the OSD capability.

2) setting receiver video processing to "passthrough" for each individual source (see receiver user manual).

3) I know this one sounds silly, but sometimes the length of the HDMI cables can affect the handshake. If possible, try both long and short cables at each of the various links in the chain, then try turning the source, receiver, and TV on in different orders.

4) Did you get the DVI converter from Monoprice? If not, I highly recommend all of their products! Either way, you should try different brand converters.

PS: as you can tell, HDCP is evil. :(
 
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EliteRetard

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Yep its an Onkyo TX-NR609. Everything is connected with component...but despite being "capable of 720p/1080i" none of the devices will allow it. I spent many hours ripping my hair out trying to get s**t to work and even an hour with the manufacturers before they finally admited that the devices will not actually allow HD over component.

Like I said, tried 2 different HDMI to DVI cables...they dont seem to be the issue. TV doesnt have HDMI, only DVI. Tried just about every setting I could think of including passthrough. Tried several different connections, even bypassing the receiver and connecting the TV directly to the source.

Yeah I got the cables at monoprice, went for the highest quality stuff they had. 18AWG CL2 rated for 3 ft cable? HELL YEAH.

'Corse for the component connections the ultra heavy duty is actually a bit of a PITA. Theres so many connectors and the wires so stiff that the second and third ones want to pull out. I had to split the connections a long way down the cable to give them enough flex to bend enough to reach the respective connectors.

As far as I can tell the issue is actually the TV...the digital connection must be broken or wired wrong. If it werent for that I think everything would have worked out.
 

palehorse

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I thought that manufacturers were still required to allow HD over component (aka "the analog hole")?

Weird...

That said, it's entirely possible that the HDCP chipset is fried in the TV -- I had that happen with an old 720p Pio plasma, and even newer models have HDMI ports dying left and right. Sadly, these days it's usually more expensive to replace the old boards (on older TVs) than to upgrade to a brand new flatscreen with HDMI.

I wish you luck my friend, sorry I couldn't help you nail this one! :(
 

EliteRetard

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Its all good, thanks for all the input :)

I just need to figure out how to cool the receiver since the fan don't work. I wonder if I can find a stylish, big, quiet, slim fan that runs on a wall outlet that can last a few years running 24/7. Hmmm...
 

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Its all good, thanks for all the input :)

I just need to figure out how to cool the receiver since the fan don't work. I wonder if I can find a stylish, big, quiet, slim fan that runs on a wall outlet that can last a few years running 24/7. Hmmm...

Whatever you do, just don't set anything on top of the Onkyo, and try to place it on an open space. Even with all the heat it's producing, the additional fan shouldn't be necessary if it's well ventilated.
 

kornphlake

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Its all good, thanks for all the input :)

I just need to figure out how to cool the receiver since the fan don't work. I wonder if I can find a stylish, big, quiet, slim fan that runs on a wall outlet that can last a few years running 24/7. Hmmm...

Doesn't the receiver have a switched 120v outlet on the back? It would make more sense to use that outlet so the fan only runs when the receiver is powered on.