I need a Lord of the Rings geek in here...

[xboxist]

Hey. I read the trilogy several years ago but seemed to have forgotten certain things. Also, a friend of mine was asking me some things that I wasn't able to confidently answer. His questions along with my own curiosity has resulted in this thread. Please respond with what you can. Thanks.

1) Was the warg-attack scene in the books? I'm pretty sure it was...

2) In the movie, the Ents decide to not go to war... and Pippin has to convince them otherwise by deceiving Treebeard. I seem to recall in the books that the Ents simply decide to go to war during their Entmoot.

3) At the time of the story, are all of the other rings (not the One ring) of power accounted for? Are they all lost? Is it not important at all?

4) Within Middle-Earth, it seems to be common belief that having the One ring will grant you powers. What do they expect to do with it? Wield fireballs or something? Is it just assumed (by the people) that they can use it as a weapon? Can only Sauron use it offensively?

5) The elves. Arwyn (sp?) decides to go on the ship to Valinor (I think that's the name) to ensure her immortality. Does this trip across the sea apply to only the elves of Rivendell? Or all elves of Middle Earth? If so, does that mean that Legolas has missed his chance for immortality? I don't understand, is he suddenly mortal now by not going on the ship? Will he start to age like a human?

Thanks in advance!

 

[Doggiedog]

Kami hasn't been seen in ages.

 

[pray4mojo]

Wheres Kami?

 

[Stojakapimp]

1. I don't believe the warg-attack was in the books. But I haven't read the 3rd one yet so maybe it was in there.

2. In the book, Pippin leads Treebeard to the edge of the forest. When Treebeard sees the horrible things that Saruman has done to the trees, then it's war. In the movie, I believe it's the same way, is it not? Or maybe i'm confusing the two.

3. I believe they are all accounted for. But it isn't really important because the one ring has complete power over all of them.

Not quite sure about the last two, but then again, I'm not even quite sure about the first 3. I'm not a big LOTR geek but thought I would give it a shot

 

[PunDogg]

Well it seems that everybody wants the ONE ring, but no one can use it besides sauron, cuz its his life force, and he is pure evil, so there fore no one else can use it, and if they do try to use it they become corrupted over time, cuz the evil in the ring overcomes you, look at golum (sp)

and also Arwyn (sp?) gets ont he ship for immortalty cuz there i think they cannot die from diese and such,over in that island, but Legolas desides to stay and fight, and i also think that more than once the elves leave on those ships, otherwise, it would be really over populated with elves, middle earth that is, cuz they wouldn;t die and just keep on reproduceing

i tried to answer what i knew of, hope that helps

DOgg

 

[Wallydraigle]

Originally posted by: xboxist
Hey. I read the trilogy several years ago but seemed to have forgotten certain things. Also, a friend of mine was asking me some things that I wasn't able to confidently answer. His questions along with my own curiosity has resulted in this thread. Please respond with what you can. Thanks.

1) Was the warg-attack scene in the books? I'm pretty sure it was...

Yes, before they enter Moria

2) In the movie, the Ents decide to not go to war... and Pippin has to convince them otherwise by deceiving Treebeard. I seem to recall in the books that the Ents simply decide to go to war during their Entmoot.

Yes.

3) At the time of the story, are all of the other rings (not the One ring) of power accounted for? Are they all lost? Is it not important at all?

They were all accounted for, though some of the Dwarves' rings had been destroyed by the dragons, and the location of the Three Rings of the Elves was a secret known only to a few. Sauron had all of the nine, which he lent at times to the Nazgul, and the remaining of the Seven that had not been destroyed.

4) Within Middle-Earth, it seems to be common belief that having the One ring will grant you powers. What do they expect to do with it? Wield fireballs or something? Is it just assumed (by the people) that they can use it as a weapon? Can only Sauron use it offensively?

The powers granted by the One Ring are not layed out, though it is said that the more powerful a person is the more power they would wield. It is also said that the power of the One Ring is in domination of the wills of others, so a good part of the powers it would grant would probably be the ability to rally enormous armies and give your forces advantage in battle. It was also mentioned that the foundations of the Burad Dur could not be undone because they were built with the power of the Ring. The Ring gave Sam the power to understand the language of the servants of Sauron. Since Sauron was the maker of the Ring it would stand to reason that he would understand the nuances of its use better than any other, and would use it most effectively.

5) The elves. Arwyn (sp?) decides to go on the ship to Valinor (I think that's the name) to ensure her immortality. Does this trip across the sea apply to only the elves of Rivendell? Or all elves of Middle Earth? If so, does that mean that Legolas has missed his chance for immortality? I don't understand, is he suddenly mortal now by not going on the ship? Will he start to age like a human?

All the elves live as long as the earth exists, no matter where they make their dwelling. If they are killed their souls go away and wait in Mandos. Eventually they are reincarnated in new bodies. Glorfindel was the only elf to be reincarnated and come back to Middle Earth. Legolas eventually built a ship and took himself and Gimli into the West. Some of the elves live in Valinor, but some go to the island of Eressea. I forget who goes where, or if they just go wherever they want, or how that part works. Other races who go to Valinor do not gain immortality.

Thanks in advance!

You're welcome 🙂

 

[Vic]

1) Yes, but in Fellowship of the Ring

2) Yes

3) No. The Three and Nine were accounted for but all of the Seven were lost (though Sauron was believed to have 3-4(?) of the Seven, particularly the most powerful one which Thror father of Thorin had possessed)

4) The One gave its user all of the powers of the Three, Seven, and Nine, plus a great part of the powers of Sauron, a powerful sorceror from the beginning of the world who had been the greatest servant of Morgoth, the original evil. The ability to actually wield that power, however, depended on the actual abilities of the user, and the One could only do evil, regardless of the intentions of the user. Though it was chance that possession of the Ring fell to Hobbits, the Wise decided to use them for the quest in good part because of their lack of ability to actually be able to use the Ring combined with their relative incorruptibility. Remember how the greatest of the Wise, particularly Gandalf and Galadriel, declined to so much as touch the Ring because of the power it would have given them.

5) All of the Elves are immortal ("their lives are bound to the earth"), are immune to illness and old age, and can only die from severe injury. There are, however, different "families" of elves. In the time before men, all of the elves had been called to join the Valar (think "gods") in the West. Arwen was descended from the Noldor line, which had revolted milennia earlier against the Valar in the West and had chosen banishment in Middle Earth. Their time had passed and they were to return. Legolas was descended from the Sindar line (or "Dark Elves"), which had never gone into the West, and was now called upon to finally go there and abandon Middle Earth. He did eventually go.


Noticed I got beaten but decided to post anyway...