Right on BFG10K, I also believe everyone else puts too much stock in the 3DMark scores. I was at a French site earlier reviewing benchmarks and this is what I found. The new Gainward Geforce2 Ti 500 beat a stock speed Geforce3 Ti 200 in every benchmark in about 5 different games. However, the Geforce 3 killed it in the 3Dmark 2000 and 3Dmark 2001 scores, big deal! The Geforce2 Ti 500 was overclocked to 300/520, the Geforce 3 Ti 200 was at stock 175/400. Now of course when the Geforce was overclocked it surpassed the new Gainward, but it was pretty impressive for a Geforce 2 chipset. If you just looked at 3Dmark you would think the Geforce 3 Ti 200 was much faster, but in real world gaming that just isn't true.