I love my country (Canada), but some of our laws are just silly

[Gatecrasher3]

Something that happened my town over the weekend...

Story

Long story short:
Guy with wife and 2 kids goes down to his basement at 1am on sunday night
sees a young kid (16) dressed in all black in his basement
kid know he?s busted, so he tries to attack Guy
Guy beats the snot out of kid
Guy might be charged with assault.

You see in Canada you do not have consent to harm anyone who breaks into your house, you?re asked to call for the police and wait for them to arrive.
If you shot and killed a burglar, you will be charged with manslaughter or maybe even murder (depending on the situation)

Ya i don?t really believe you have the right to blow a 16 year olds head off if he breaks into your house.
i don?t think you have the right to kill anyone who if they are not really a threat.
but for this guy, i feel he was totally in the right to do what he did and i think the cops should have shook his hand afterwards.
but i guess a law is a law.

 

[SmoochyTX]

Originally posted by: Gatecrasher3
Something that happened my town over the weekend...

Story

Long story short:
Guy with wife and 2 kids goes down to his basement at 1am on sunday night
sees a young kid (16) dressed in all black in his basement
kid know he?s busted, so he tries to attack Guy
Guy beats the snot out of kid
Guy might be charged with assault.

You see in Canada you?re not aloud to harm anyone who breaks into your house, you?re asked to call for the police and wait for them to arrive.
If you shot and killed a burglar, you will be charged with manslaughter or maybe even murder (depending on the situation)

Ya i don?t really believe you have the right to blow a 16 year olds head off if he breaks into your house.
i don?t think you have the right to kill anyone who if they are not really a threat.
but for this guy, i feel he was totally in the right to do what he did and i think the cops should have shook his had afterwards.
but i guess a law is a law.

I know you're in Canada, but you're not aloud to? LOL

 

[Ronstang]

Yep, Canada has it wrong in this scenario. That is one thing I like about Texas, I actually have the right not to be a victim in my own house and worry about protecting myself, my family, and my property.

 

[Stumps]

Originally posted by: Gatecrasher3
Something that happened my town over the weekend...

Story

Long story short:
Guy with wife and 2 kids goes down to his basement at 1am on sunday night
sees a young kid (16) dressed in all black in his basement
kid know he?s busted, so he tries to attack Guy
Guy beats the snot out of kid
Guy might be charged with assault.

You see in Canada you?re not aloud to harm anyone who breaks into your house, you?re asked to call for the police and wait for them to arrive.
If you shot and killed a burglar, you will be charged with manslaughter or maybe even murder (depending on the situation)

Ya i don?t really believe you have the right to blow a 16 year olds head off if he breaks into your house.
i don?t think you have the right to kill anyone who if they are not really a threat.
but for this guy, i feel he was totally in the right to do what he did and i think the cops should have shook his had afterwards.
but i guess a law is a law.

we have the same stupid laws here in Australia.....the offender automatically becomes the victim and you're screwed

 

[InlineFive]

Originally posted by: Ronstang
Yep, Canada has it wrong in this scenario. That is one thing I like about Texas, I actually have the right not to be a victim in my own house and worry about protecting myself, my family, and my property.

Dit-to! Canada's rule that you can't attack is the lamest thing I have ever heard.

 

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: Stumps
we have the same stupid laws here in Australia.....the offender automatically becomes the victim and you're screwed

Sucks to be in that situation. Here the offender stands a good chance of being dead, and rightly so.

 

[ChooChooChooseMe]

Originally posted by: Ronstang
Yep, Canada has it wrong in this scenario. That is one thing I like about Texas, I actually have the right not to be a victim in my own house and worry about protecting myself, my family, and my property.

I hear Florida is pretty good too.

 

[silverpig]

I'd beat the living snot out of the kid and when the cops came I'd say he fell down the stairs while I was chasing him.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Wow... that's one of the dumbest laws I've ever heard of. Up here, once the guy is in your house you're allowed to use whatever fource you deem necessary to protect your life, the life of your family and your property.

(That means you can shoot the SOB and bill his estate for the new carpet)

 

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Wow... that's one of the dumbest laws I've ever heard of. Up here, once the guy is in your house you're allowed to use whatever fource you deem necessary to protect your life, the life of your family and your property.

(That means you can shoot the SOB and bill his estate for the new carpet)

Texas takes it one step further. You can use lethal force OUTSIDE to protect your propery, but I think the only stipulation is it has to be night time. We can shoot them in our driveways breaking into our cars. The only reason I didn't shoot the Black guy that broke into my car was because he was about 10-12 years old. Had him in the sights, would have been within my rights, but I couldn't shoot a kid....even a useless one. In hindsight I am probably responsible for more people being robbed. In the future I will take this into consideration if the situation ever arises again.

 

[Viperoni]

Originally posted by: silverpig
I'd beat the living snot out of the kid and when the cops came I'd say he fell down the stairs while I was chasing him.

QFT, the time between having finished kicking the kids ass to the time the cops arrive is when you make up your story!

 

[bob4432]

another reason i live in AZ...i actually have the right to protect myself and not wait for johnny law to protect me. but in AZ there are dumb laws on the books that are never used

 

[SonnyDaze]

Dear America,
Please don't beat our a$$es too bad if we get caught breaking into your house.

Love Canada.

 

[Gatecrasher3]

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Wow... that's one of the dumbest laws I've ever heard of. Up here, once the guy is in your house you're allowed to use whatever fource you deem necessary to protect your life, the life of your family and your property.

(That means you can shoot the SOB and bill his estate for the new carpet)

Texas takes it one step further. You can use lethal force OUTSIDE to protect your propery, but I think the only stipulation is it has to be night time. We can shoot them in our driveways breaking into our cars. The only reason I didn't shoot the Black guy that broke into my car was because he was about 10-12 years old. Had him in the sights, would have been within my rights, but I couldn't shoot a kid....even a useless one. In hindsight I am probably responsible for more people being robbed. In the future I will take this into consideration if the situation ever arises again.

do you think you could shoot a 25 year old who was just breaking into your car and was not really any kind of threat? because i know i would not be able to pull the trigger.
i shure would give him a good beating though.

 

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: Gatecrasher3

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Wow... that's one of the dumbest laws I've ever heard of. Up here, once the guy is in your house you're allowed to use whatever fource you deem necessary to protect your life, the life of your family and your property.

(That means you can shoot the SOB and bill his estate for the new carpet)

Texas takes it one step further. You can use lethal force OUTSIDE to protect your propery, but I think the only stipulation is it has to be night time. We can shoot them in our driveways breaking into our cars. The only reason I didn't shoot the Black guy that broke into my car was because he was about 10-12 years old. Had him in the sights, would have been within my rights, but I couldn't shoot a kid....even a useless one. In hindsight I am probably responsible for more people being robbed. In the future I will take this into consideration if the situation ever arises again.

do you think you could shoot a 25 year old who was just breaking into your car and was not really any kind of threat? because i know i would not be able to pull the trigger.
i shure would give him a good beating though.

BANG!!! And as cynical as I am getting in my old age watching the world self destruct I could probably shoot the kid now and save the world from one more useless piece of trash. I was much younger when this event happened.

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Wow... that's one of the dumbest laws I've ever heard of. Up here, once the guy is in your house you're allowed to use whatever fource you deem necessary to protect your life, the life of your family and your property.

(That means you can shoot the SOB and bill his estate for the new carpet)

Texas takes it one step further. You can use lethal force OUTSIDE to protect your propery, but I think the only stipulation is it has to be night time. We can shoot them in our driveways breaking into our cars. The only reason I didn't shoot the Black guy that broke into my car was because he was about 10-12 years old. Had him in the sights, would have been within my rights, but I couldn't shoot a kid....even a useless one. In hindsight I am probably responsible for more people being robbed. In the future I will take this into consideration if the situation ever arises again.

so what did you do? sit there and watch him break into your car? or did you shoot a round into the air to scare him off?

 

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Wow... that's one of the dumbest laws I've ever heard of. Up here, once the guy is in your house you're allowed to use whatever fource you deem necessary to protect your life, the life of your family and your property.

(That means you can shoot the SOB and bill his estate for the new carpet)

Texas takes it one step further. You can use lethal force OUTSIDE to protect your propery, but I think the only stipulation is it has to be night time. We can shoot them in our driveways breaking into our cars. The only reason I didn't shoot the Black guy that broke into my car was because he was about 10-12 years old. Had him in the sights, would have been within my rights, but I couldn't shoot a kid....even a useless one. In hindsight I am probably responsible for more people being robbed. In the future I will take this into consideration if the situation ever arises again.

so what did you do? sit there and watch him break into your car? or did you shoot a round into the air to scare him off?

He was climbing out the rear quarter window he broke, I had him in my sights from my window in my bedroom right over the driveway. Once I realized he was about 10-12 I didn't shoot. There was not much to steal. He only got a small case of cassette tapes that were all copies anyway. That is not the point but at that stage in my life I was not willing to shoot a kid, today I feel different.

 

[SSP]

Thats like that in Britain as well. Maybe worse. Remember the case where a burglar was hurt by a barbed fence, and sued the old lady who owned the property for damages?

The guy in the story should've beat him up, then planted a knife in the kids hand.

 

[MercenaryYoureFired]

Some of your laws are SILLY?

That's the most absurd law I have ever heard of. In fact, it doesn't make any sense to me at all. Are you sure you're not leaving anything out?

That makes no sense from any logical stand point whatsoever. How can Canadian Government protect people who do these crimes? If someone has enough balls to break into a house to do whatever (as it doesn't really matter) that homeowner should do whatever he/she thinks is viable to protect themselves without repercussion.

As it is, it's a lose/lose situation for the innocent.

-MYF

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: Gatecrasher3

You see in Canada you do not have consent to harm anyone who breaks into your house, you?re asked to call for the police and wait for them to arrive.
If you shot and killed a burglar, you will be charged with manslaughter or maybe even murder (depending on the situation)

Ya i don?t really believe you have the right to blow a 16 year olds head off if he breaks into your house.
i don?t think you have the right to kill anyone who if they are not really a threat.
but for this guy, i feel he was totally in the right to do what he did and i think the cops should have shook his hand afterwards.
but i guess a law is a law.

Lookup Florida's "Make my day" law. If someone looks at you crooked, you're allowed to use whatever force appropriate 'till they're not a threat.

 

[Iron Woode]

Originally posted by: Ronstang
Yep, Canada has it wrong in this scenario. That is one thing I like about Texas, I actually have the right not to be a victim in my own house and worry about protecting myself, my family, and my property.

property rights were removed from our Charter of Rights and Freedoms, because some uptight, pacifist Liberals were afraid that some innocent burglar might wind up dead with no legal recourse against the evil property owner.

Trying to get that back in is not going to be easy with a minority Conservative government.

http://homeinvasion.ca/selfdefense.cfm

 

[GZeus]

Before everyone gets the wrong idea ... okay to late for that..., but it is unlikely - though still possible - that the guy who laid on the beating will be charged. It is even more unlikely that he will be convicted if charged.
A nearly exact same situation happened to a friend of mine in Canada and he was not charged or prosecuted. He was detained, interviewed and released. A follow-up investigation did not result in any charges.

Though this is a really stupid law, the police or the court usually puts the situation right.
Now if we (yeah, I mean 'we' sort of - I'm a Canadian living in Texas) just need to get rid of the 'bleeding-heart, sympathy for the wrong person' laws that make a victim a criminal.

 

[opticalmace]

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Wow... that's one of the dumbest laws I've ever heard of. Up here, once the guy is in your house you're allowed to use whatever fource you deem necessary to protect your life, the life of your family and your property.

(That means you can shoot the SOB and bill his estate for the new carpet)

Texas takes it one step further. You can use lethal force OUTSIDE to protect your propery, but I think the only stipulation is it has to be night time. We can shoot them in our driveways breaking into our cars. The only reason I didn't shoot the Black guy that broke into my car was because he was about 10-12 years old. Had him in the sights, would have been within my rights, but I couldn't shoot a kid....even a useless one. In hindsight I am probably responsible for more people being robbed. In the future I will take this into consideration if the situation ever arises again.

this is ridiculous. why would you shoot someone because they're breaking into your car? so petty.

 

[Gatecrasher3]

Originally posted by: GZeus
Before everyone gets the wrong idea ... okay to late for that..., but it is unlikely - though still possible - that the guy who laid on the beating will be charged. It is even more unlikely that he will be convicted if charged.
A nearly exact same situation happened to a friend of mine in Canada and he was not charged or prosecuted. He was detained, interviewed and released. A follow-up investigation did not result in any charges.

Though this is a really stupid law, the police or the court usually puts the situation right.
Now if we (yeah, I mean 'we' sort of - I'm a Canadian living in Texas) just need to get rid of the 'bleeding-heart, sympathy for the wrong person' laws that make a victim a criminal.

yes, to be fair
this guy will most likely get off.

this law is just to stop a situation like some 100lb 13 year old breaks into your house and you take is head off with your 44 from happening.

 

[Gatecrasher3]

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: Gatecrasher3

You see in Canada you do not have consent to harm anyone who breaks into your house, you?re asked to call for the police and wait for them to arrive.
If you shot and killed a burglar, you will be charged with manslaughter or maybe even murder (depending on the situation)

Ya i don?t really believe you have the right to blow a 16 year olds head off if he breaks into your house.
i don?t think you have the right to kill anyone who if they are not really a threat.
but for this guy, i feel he was totally in the right to do what he did and i think the cops should have shook his hand afterwards.
but i guess a law is a law.

Lookup Florida's "Make my day" law. If someone looks at you crooked, you're allowed to use whatever force appropriate 'till they're not a threat.

ok i think thats a little to much....