I love HID's on a foggy night....

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Zenmervolt

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Originally posted by: Aharami
Beacuse of the cutoff inside the projector, HIDs have less glare than 99% of halogens in reflector housing (which throws a lot more light upward than any projector.) Unless ofcourse the HIDs are aimed improperly and the cutoff is above oncoming traffic's eye level.
Wrong. You can have any beam pattern with any type of housing. it's all in the optical design. I have E-Code lights in my 951 and 914. They are reflector housings and have a VERY sharp horizontal cutoff. One could design a projector housing that threw a lot of light upward. It is not an inherent function of projector versus reflector, but rather a function of a country's legislation regarding beam pattern.

The US has continually lagged behind Europe in terms of beam-pattern (as evidenced by the US requirement for sealed beam lights well into the 1980's) and it has only been in the last few years that the US has begun to bring its required headlight beam pattern more into line with European requirements. Coincidentally, this has also been the time at which many European and luxury cars are moving to projector housings as opposed to reflector housings. The change in housing type is unrelated to the beam pattern.

The use of ANY bulb other than the specified type in ANY housing will result in an improper beam pattern. Housings are built to work with the light coming from a specific point and any chance in the origination of the light source has significant impact on the beam pattern. This is why aftermarket HID kits are never a good choice. The only acceptable way to mount HIDs after the fact is to replace the entire housing and lens with an OEM uint.

ZV
 

43st

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Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
I specified HID's just to blind fools that don't have them and to widen the HID/Anti HID gulf.

Why don't you just use high beams? They're completely blinding without the rice.
 

aphex

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Originally posted by: 43st
Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
I specified HID's just to blind fools that don't have them and to widen the HID/Anti HID gulf.

Why don't you just use high beams? They're completely blinding without the rice.

You consider HID's to be rice?
 

Jahee

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Originally posted by: Pale Rider
Originally posted by: lobbyone
HIDs are good when driving through fog?

No thats what the IR scanner that comes on Caddy's and Mercs is for... even though it doesn't fvcking work.


Speaking of that... I don't get how you're supposed to use them, are u supposed to take your eyes off the road to look at that screen or what?
 

aphex

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Originally posted by: Jahee
Originally posted by: Pale Rider
Originally posted by: lobbyone
HIDs are good when driving through fog?

No thats what the IR scanner that comes on Caddy's and Mercs is for... even though it doesn't fvcking work.


Speaking of that... I don't get how you're supposed to use them, are u supposed to take your eyes off the road to look at that screen or what?

i would think its more akin to navigation, its there for you to look at when needed, but i wouldnt think you would drive through it...
 

voodoochylde

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Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Originally posted by: Aharami
Beacuse of the cutoff inside the projector, HIDs have less glare than 99% of halogens in reflector housing (which throws a lot more light upward than any projector.) Unless ofcourse the HIDs are aimed improperly and the cutoff is above oncoming traffic's eye level.
Wrong. You can have any beam pattern with any type of housing. it's all in the optical design. I have E-Code lights in my 951 and 914. They are reflector housings and have a VERY sharp horizontal cutoff. One could design a projector housing that threw a lot of light upward. It is not an inherent function of projector versus reflector, but rather a function of a country's legislation regarding beam pattern.

The US has continually lagged behind Europe in terms of beam-pattern (as evidenced by the US requirement for sealed beam lights well into the 1980's) and it has only been in the last few years that the US has begun to bring its required headlight beam pattern more into line with European requirements. Coincidentally, this has also been the time at which many European and luxury cars are moving to projector housings as opposed to reflector housings. The change in housing type is unrelated to the beam pattern.

The use of ANY bulb other than the specified type in ANY housing will result in an improper beam pattern. Housings are built to work with the light coming from a specific point and any chance in the origination of the light source has significant impact on the beam pattern. This is why aftermarket HID kits are never a good choice. The only acceptable way to mount HIDs after the fact is to replace the entire housing and lens with an OEM uint.

ZV

Absolutely correct. Retrofitted HID's typically are absolute crap...overpriced crap. That's why I have a pair of 55W fogs to augment my horrendous lows (90 subie legacy) and a massive pair of 100w blinders switched on with my highs :D Why would I fabricate such a redneck system (the 100-watters are mounted on a uber-hillbilly-ish bar I made with angle iron, a bench vise, grinder, and various bolts 'n' nuts) and then mount it to the front of my car? Heh, two reasons - 1. I can't see a bloody thing with just my stock beams (and, yes, they're aimed properly) and 2. I like setting deer ablaze before I run into them.

:p
 

indamixx99

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Originally posted by: aphex
Originally posted by: indamixx99
how much u spend on that upgrade? the beam looks pretty good - doesnt spray upwards like some of those cheap kits.

eh? thats stock

Mazda 6? Didnt know they came stock with em.
 

Jawo

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Originally posted by: indamixx99
Originally posted by: aphex
Originally posted by: indamixx99
how much u spend on that upgrade? the beam looks pretty good - doesnt spray upwards like some of those cheap kits.

eh? thats stock

Mazda 6? Didnt know they came stock with em.

thats what I was wondering Mazda3 or Mazda6? or is it the speed version?
 

DivideBYZero

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Originally posted by: 43st
Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
I specified HID's just to blind fools that don't have them and to widen the HID/Anti HID gulf.

Why don't you just use high beams? They're completely blinding without the rice.

Er, the HID's came with the car. The little Elves in the factory put them in there, probably to piss you off.
 

aphex

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Originally posted by: Jawo
Originally posted by: indamixx99
Originally posted by: aphex
Originally posted by: indamixx99
how much u spend on that upgrade? the beam looks pretty good - doesnt spray upwards like some of those cheap kits.

eh? thats stock

Mazda 6? Didnt know they came stock with em.

thats what I was wondering Mazda3 or Mazda6? or is it the speed version?

2005 Mazda3 S, i loved the amt of options they offered, which is why i went for it over other models...

Navigation
HID/Xenon
17" w/ TPMS
Leather
6-cd in dash
Moonroof
Side Curtain Airbags
Side Sill Extensions