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DAPUNISHER

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Yeah, because people are surely going to do that...

This is the real world. You have to account for a-holes, and not by acting like one yourself.
Very noble of you. But, here is a different perspective to consider: Your statement amounts to rewarding them for being an asshole. Hey, you are an asshole that is going 25 over, so I will do all in my power to accommodate you, so you don't kill someone with your highly aggressive and dangerous driving. Yet, somehow I am the problem, not the asshole going 25 over.
 

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Very noble of you. But, here is a different perspective to consider: Your statement amounts to rewarding them for being an asshole. Hey, you are an asshole that is going 25 over, so I will do all in my power to accommodate you, so you don't kill someone with your highly aggressive and dangerous driving. Yet, somehow I am the problem, not the asshole going 25 over.

Both drivers are the problem; neither are following the law.

Sure the speeders are acting dangerously, but drivers passive-aggressively blocking the left lane are contributing to the situation as well. You are not the police, it should not be your prerogative to limit the speed of the other drivers.

Again, the safest course of action is to just move over. It's not a hard thing to do, and saves everyone the congestion.

(BTW: I do practice what I preach, and my daily freeway drives have been much more relaxed because of it)
 

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Very noble of you. But, here is a different perspective to consider: Your statement amounts to rewarding them for being an asshole. Hey, you are an asshole that is going 25 over, so I will do all in my power to accommodate you, so you don't kill someone with your highly aggressive and dangerous driving. Yet, somehow I am the problem, not the asshole going 25 over.

It's not about rewarding an asshole, it's sort of like how the police don't want people being vigilantes or taking on criminals themselves. That is the job for the police to handle, not a regular citizen. What the citizen could do is call the police if there is reckless driving and some people do.
 

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It's not about rewarding an asshole, it's sort of like how the police don't want people being vigilantes or taking on criminals themselves. That is the job for the police to handle, not a regular citizen. What the citizen could do is call the police if there is reckless driving and some people do.
Brudda, Look at my user name, and then re-read your post. :D Me go vigilante? Perish the thought. ():) ;)
 

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Both drivers are the problem; neither are following the law.

Sure the speeders are acting dangerously, but drivers passive-aggressively blocking the left lane are contributing to the situation as well. You are not the police, it should not be your prerogative to limit the speed of the other drivers.

Again, the safest course of action is to just move over. It's not a hard thing to do, and saves everyone the congestion.

(BTW: I do practice what I preach, and my daily freeway drives have been much more relaxed because of it)
Finally, someone that understands. If all these guys would just relax, this conversation would be moot. Except for the drivers actually going 10-20 under the speed limit in the passing lane.


But in theory, despite as you pointed out the reality being quite different, if no one was speeding, the problem would mostly solve itself. Simply by people observing the posted limits and rules of the road. Instead of the unwritten etiquette everyone is expected to observe.
 

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Finally, someone that understands. If all these guys would just relax, this conversation would be moot. Except for the drivers actually going 10-20 under the speed limit in the passing lane.


But in theory, despite as you pointed out the reality being quite different, if no one was speeding, the problem would mostly solve itself. Simply by people observing the posted limits and rules of the road. Instead of the unwritten etiquette everyone is expected to observe.

I completely agree that the point would be moot if everyone observed the speed limit, but this is the real world. You and I both know that this is never the case.

As for moving to the right being "unwritten etiquette", I'm pretty sure the "Slower Traffic Keep Right" signs spell it out pretty clearly. :awe:

I gotta run (heading out on the freeway), thanks for the civil conversation.
 

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I completely agree that the point would be moot if everyone observed the speed limit, but this is the real world. You and I both know that this is never the case.

As for moving to the right being "unwritten etiquette", I'm pretty sure the "Slower Traffic Keep Right" signs spell it out pretty clearly. :awe:

I gotta run (heading out on the freeway), thanks for the civil conversation.
I actually laughed when I read that. Like being involved in "Who's on first?"

Have a safe and relaxing drive.
 

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And I just might put you into that ditch ;)

You dipshits whine all you like, it changes nothing. Lobby to change the posted limits or STFU.

And those of you "hoping I" this, or "You are the problem." that. I already told you to go F yourselves. I do not give a flying monkey's ass what your perception of reality is, there are laws in place that define how to drive. Follow them or fuck off.

Who the fuck died and made you the traffic god? What you are doing is DANGEROUS.

Why do you care so much about what others are doing? Just have some fucking common courtesy and move over if you don't plan to drive with the flow of traffic.
 

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Who the fuck died and made you the traffic god? What you are doing is DANGEROUS.

Why do you care so much about what others are doing? Just have some fucking common courtesy and move over if you don't plan to drive with the flow of traffic.
Read the whole thread. If you did and still picked this particular post to attack, then I will presume you just want to vent, and I made myself a good target.

Cognitive dissonance much? As I pointed out before: People are exceeding the posted limit by 20 or more, and will do anything they have to to get by you. As has been stated here in this thread. Yet, I am the dangerous one for obeying the laws. Not one of you, took the post by the guy saying he would pass me in the tire change lane, and pointed out how dangerous that is. One, in fact, defended him in a back handed sort of way.

I concede the arguments have a warped logic, but I am honestly left scratching my head at the justifications and rationalizations. The guys driving hell bent for leather are not the issue, the drivers observing the laws are. It is truly fucking Bizzaro world around here.

The entire premise of the issue some of you seem to have, is that safe lawful driving, when it interrupts the driving of unsafe, speeding, unlawful driving, is dangerous. At no point is the unlawful driver at fault in any of these arguments. Truly the epitome of the entitlement complex IMO.

The post that demonstrated the attitude, that he wants by so bad, to continue barreling down the road, that he will pass you in the break down lane, is the perfect example of wreckless driving. And I reiterate again, not one of you attacked him for it. However, some one with the audacity to follow the laws, well, god damned, that guy is a menace to society, and a dangerous driver.

Now if this still does not resonate with you, just keep the ad homs, and opposite day arguments coming. Because, at no point does any of it absolve the aggressive speeder, that simply must be allowed to own the highway, of being the source of danger on the road.

And I am not the traffic god, just the traffic wizard "YOU SHALL NOT PASS!!!!" :hmm:
 

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I agree with you 100 percent here. Most of the roads around here have no signs for the slower traffic to move into the right lane. I have researched the laws in SC and they only state that this is applicable if posted. Every day I have @ssholes tailgating me going to and leaving work as I run in the left lane most of the time to avoid people turning right and pulling into the main road from the side streets. I am going the speed limit 55 MPH. It seems to drive them nuts, I have watched them beating on their steering wheel, cussing me, flashing their headlights etc and generally making an @ss of themselves. It is funny to watch a grown man act like a 3 year old. I don't do it to piss them off although it seems like it does. If there is no posted sign to stay right and I choose to run in the left lane and go the Speed Limit ( which is the maximum allowed speed on that road ) too damn bad, suck it up.
 

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I agree with you 100 percent here. Most of the roads around here have no signs for the slower traffic to move into the right lane. I have researched the laws in SC and they only state that this is applicable if posted. Every day I have @ssholes tailgating me going to and leaving work as I run in the left lane most of the time to avoid people turning right and pulling into the main road from the side streets. I am going the speed limit 55 MPH. It seems to drive them nuts, I have watched them beating on their steering wheel, cussing me, flashing their headlights etc and generally making an @ss of themselves. It is funny to watch a grown man act like a 3 year old. I don't do it to piss them off although it seems like it does. If there is no posted sign to stay right and I choose to run in the left lane and go the Speed Limit ( which is the maximum allowed speed on that road ) too damn bad, suck it up.
I like the analogy using the small child having a temper tantrum. It perfectly fits the lack of self control of highly aggressive drivers.

How do these normal people, suddenly become raving lunatics the moment they get behind the wheel? Willing to endanger themselves and others just to keep going the speed they have decided is the proper one for that road way.Then, lay the blame for being dangerous, at the feet of the lawful driver.

The attitude is: Well hell, if we would just acquiesce to their Daytona 500 driving style, the roads would be safer places. Never mind which driver is lawful and which is not, mob rules bitches! :rolleyes:
 

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The attitude is: Well hell, if we would just acquiesce to their Daytona 500 driving style, the roads would be safer places. Never mind which driver is lawful and which is not, mob rules bitches! :rolleyes:

As I pointed out earlier, just because other people are assholes doesn't mean you need to act like one also.
 

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As I pointed out earlier, just because other people are assholes doesn't mean you need to act like one also.
OK Mom. j/k of course.

I simply do not agree with you. there is only one asshole in the situation, from my perspective i.e. the hell bent for leather unlawful driver. It is they who fail to act appropriately, not the lawful driver.

Perhaps if I present my position this way? My attitude is that I will not be an enabler. While I do not go out of my way to do an "intervention" if you will, I do not participate in, ignore, or encourage the behavior either.

For myself: The real issue is that the Toe Cutter crowd, wants the positions reversed. Where their unlawful actions are the correct one, and those who do not allow them to have their way, are in the wrong.

I will reiterate, I am often not inclined to oblige them. Whether I am an asshole for it or not? Well, let me just say, that it does not keep me up at night.
 

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We have big, new signs on the interstates that say something like "Mississippi State Law: Stay Right Unless Passing"
 

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We have big, new signs on the interstates that say something like "Mississippi State Law: Stay Right Unless Passing"
Someone else also made this valid point. My position is that passing occurs when a vehicle in the right lane is traveling at less than the posted speed. Some seem to feel this is justification to exceed the posted speed and stay in the left lane, just so long as they are passing the cars in the right lane. I do not think this is the intent or purpose of the law. If someone can provide authoritative evidence that it is, I will be most surprised.
 

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Someone else also made this valid point. My position is that passing occurs when a vehicle in the right lane is traveling at less than the posted speed. Some seem to feel this is justification to exceed the posted speed and stay in the left lane, just so long as they are passing the cars in the right lane. I do not think this is the intent or purpose of the law. If someone can provide authoritative evidence that it is, I will be most surprised.

Not a Legal justification, but it is a Practical justification. It doesn't matter if one is obeying the Limit, if they're holding up Traffic they need to move to the Right Lane.
 

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Not a Legal justification, but it is a Practical justification. It doesn't matter if one is obeying the Limit, if they're holding up Traffic they need to move to the Right Lane.
I would call it a rationalization, since it is only practical for the speeder with the lead foot.

I have stated no where that I get in the left lane and stay there for extended periods of time either. The right lane is usually a relaxing place to be. But, I have pointed out when I have felt it necessary to be there. That would make it seem "one of those drivers." to the guy flying up behind me that has no idea how long I have been there.

Now, I do not move because he is drafting 4" off my bumper, because I feel I need to be there. See how that works? He feels he needs to go 80, I feel I do not, but need to be right where I am at. Why is he stuck behind me? Because traffic is thick, and he cannot pass on the right. Now, why I am the bad guy in that scenario escapes me, but I will take it. Hell, is is no skin off my nose what some road raging douche bag thinks of me.

EDIT: Just to continue debating this topic: I will point out that the driver is not technically holding up traffic. Traffic is moving along at the lawful speed. The only ones being held up are the speeders. So, by law, there is nothing wrong happening. For those that feel it is, work to repeal the laws. Until then, the mob rule mentality will always find those who oppose it.
 
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I would call it a rationalization, since it is only practical for the speeder with the lead foot.

I have stated no where that I get in the left lane and stay there for extended periods of time either. The right lane is usually a relaxing place to be. But, I have pointed out when I have felt it necessary to be there. That would make it seem "one of those drivers." to the guy flying up behind me that has no idea how long I have been there.

Now, I do not move because he is drafting 4" off my bumper, because I feel I need to be there. See how that works? He feels he needs to go 80, I feel I do not, but need to be right where I am at. Why is he stuck behind me? Because traffic is thick, and he cannot pass on the right. Now, why I am the bad guy in that scenario escapes me, but I will take it. Hell, is is no skin off my nose what some road raging douche bag thinks of me.

Slower Traffic to the Right Lane. That's all you should care about.