I knew scientology was wierd, but...

rahvin

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Their religious documents are copyrighted, putting them up on a website is akin to taking the latest Grishm novel and posting the entire thing on your website. *shrug* Just because they are a religion doesn't mean they can't have a copyright on their documents. You're just seeing it differently because most religions don't care.
 

poop

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They can copyright whatever they want. I am referring to their beliefs. They are really far out. Radically different than anything I have heard before.
 

BoberFett

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Is it any wonder that actors are into this crap? Not exactly the cream of the crop, intelligence-wise. :p
 

GL

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Scientology is thought control according to this guy (scroll down to the bottom of his page).

The guy has been harassed by Scientology followers, defamed, sued, and even confronted on the street. They're some freeky deeky people!

He's pretty credible too. He's a Computer Scientists specialising in neural research. He tried out scientology, eventually got out of it, and now is a huge critic.

The thing about Scientology is, even though they have copyright material, they try to get around fair-use clauses.

-GL
 

Tauren

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The government screwed-up when they gave them religious status. Anyone who buys that crap is already a lunatic and the Scientologists can have them.
 

Napalm381

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Remember that "Is there such thing as a wrong religion" or whatever thread a week or so ago? This is about the best example of a wrong religion that I can think of.
 

Double Trouble

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Scientology is about the biggest load of crap I've seen since I heard OJ explain his actions on the night of the murders.

These people range from the simple misguided to the dangerously obsessed, I'd classify it more as a cult than as a religion. No wonder dimwit actors and actresses fall for this crap.

These documents are copyrighted, but so are many books that one can find in the library. Why can't I get a copy of these documents in the library for 'fair use' purposes just like every other copyrighted work?? Because they are afraid that people will no longer buy into this crap on such a large scale if the truth of their cult is revealed.
 

~zonker~

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Started readin that... almost funny now,,,

"75,000,000 years ago, Xenu, the head of the then 20,000,000
million- year-old Galactic Federation used renegades to remove
"people" from the 76 planets of the Federation in order to
alleviate overpopulation. These people were frozen, brought to
Earth (then called Teegeeack), placed near volcanoes, exploded
with H-bombs, subjected to 36 days of picture implants, and
then transported to Hawaii or Las Palmas for packaging."


This is just too much for me... sorry. I'm waiting for the evil 'Emporer Zurg' to show up on the next paragraph now
 

rahvin

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Oh come on, 99% of religion is about brainwashing. Brainwashing is restructuring someones thought processes to think differently than it currently does, most religions do this from one extreme to the other. I mean come on, pot kettle black here people. Just because their beliefs are wacky doesn't mean in the context of outside observers that all beliefs of this nature aren't stepping off the deap end.
 

RaDragon

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<< Is it any wonder that actors are into this crap? Not exactly the cream of the crop, intelligence-wise. >>

LOL!

...though, now that i think of it, not all actors are &quot;intellectually-deficient&quot; or scientology-freaks. ;)
 

StageLeft

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I couldn't read more than about 5 words of the document summary. Its ungodly tedious.

Thanks zonker, that little quote you gave I think about is all I need to read! Oh wow.
 

poop

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I would have to say Scientology is bunk based on this:
The people at the top actually PROFIT! Every credible church I have ever been to doesn't profit. They give back to the community.

I have never been to a mosque, synagogue, or other religious gathering place, so I have to conentrate on Christianity.

edit:
L. Ron Hubbard was also a VERY shady guy. He was drugged up when he wrote most of that stuff.
 

Tauren

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<<Oh come on, 99% of religion is about brainwashing.>>

Um, don't they have to have a brain???
 

Raspewtin

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<< The people at the top actually PROFIT! Every credible church I have ever been to doesn't profit. >>



While I agree that Scientology sounds unappealing (from what little I know if it) plenty of religious figures who profit from their religion who live like kings b/c of their religious influence.
 

yakko

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Maybe I will walk over to Mr. Hubbards office and ask him to explain it for me.
 

poop

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My keyword was credible. I could never support a church that profitted from it's members.

I understand churches needing to upkeep the building, and perhaps expand if more members arrive. But if the money accumulates, with no goal of using it for service, that is just wrong.
 

PG

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That Hubbard guy is a wacko. Read some of this: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/cooper/sos-20.html

Here are some sections I cut and paste:

He says that the research began with his 1938 book, Excalibur, which appears to have been the manuscript he claims was stolen by the Russians. During these twelve years, especially in the last three or four before Dianetics came out, he wrote at least seventy-eight science fiction stories alone (under his name, or the pseudonyms of Rene Lafayette and Kurt Van Strachen){11} not to mention writing in other fields. With all this writing, it's hard to believe he had the time to research those 270 subjects properly (to research them properly would require 540 people; a control group that has not been given the Dianetic treatment should have been included in the sample).

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The Australian Inquiry finally came to the conclusion that Hubbard's &quot;sanity was to be gravely doubted.&quot;{30} Certainly some of Hubbard's statements, even coming from a former science fiction writer, do sound rather strange. Hubbard claims to have visited Venus, the Van Allen Radiation belt,{31} and heaven -- twice. The first time in heaven, he said, was from &quot;the moment of the implant to forget ... 43,891,832,611,177 years 344 days, 10 hours, 20 minutes and 40 seconds from 10:02 to 2 P.M. Daylight Greenwich Time, May 9, 1963.&quot;{32} The second time was about a trillion years later. Lest anyone doubt he was there, or think that he might have ended up in the wrong place, he described Heaven as follows:

The gates of the first series are well done, well built. An Avenue of statues of saints leads up to them. The gate pillars are surmounted by marble angels. The entering grounds are very well kept, laid out like Bush Gardens in Pasadena, so often seen in the movies.

The second series ... is shabby. The vegetation is gone. The pillars are scruffy. The saints have vanished. So have the angels. A sign on one (the left as you enter) says &quot;This is Heaven.&quot; The right one says &quot;Hell.&quot;

In addition to having visited Heaven, Hubbard has also rewritten Genesis.{33} &quot;Before the Beginning was a Cause and the entire purpose of the Cause was the creation of effect,&quot; etc. He has also rewritten the calendar{34} to read &quot;A.D. 1, A.D. 10,&quot; etc., (to stand for &quot;After Dianetics 1951,&quot; &quot;After Dianetics 1960&quot;), as if his discoveries were as important as the birth of Christ. When Hubbard first came out with Dianetics he wrote that it was a &quot;milestone for Man comparable to his discovery of fire and superior to his invention of the wheel and arch.&quot;{35} Now he sees Scientology as purer than Buddhism, Taoism and Christianity.{36}
 

Doggiedog

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LOL Zonker. That was the same paragraph I read off to someone at work and got a big laugh out of it.

Man I feel really insignificant being a helpless drone in a world of 1.35 Quadrillion other drones.
 

Pennstate

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The reason the copyright the stuff and don't want anyone to read it is because they charge thousands of dollars for each &quot;level&quot; of this crap. They get uniforms and medals for every level that they &quot;complete&quot;. If someone doesn't &quot;pass&quot; these levels, they are said to be unclean and have to pay again. BTW, I've done a college research paper on this. They claim that anyine that read the OT level stuff without completing previous levels will die of pneumonia within 3 days. It's been a few years since I've read all that nonsense. So far, I am fine. Scientology has two main strategies in surviving. Recruit Celebrities, and recruit lawyers; hundreds of lawyers. They sue and they get sued. However, they are keen on transfering all of their assets out of the US so they never pay when they lose a lawsuit. They still owe ABC (John Stossel did a report on them years ago) > 300 milion dollars. A warning to parents, if you ever see the CUlt Awareness Network, DO NOT USE IT!!! The CAN was form specifically to deal with families trying to get their members out of scientology. Then CAN got sued by hundreds of scientologists simultaneously. They declared bankruptcy and during bankruptcy hearing, the church of $cientology bought up its trademarks and names. Now, CAN is runned by scientologists.
 

Pennstate

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AS you all probably know Hubbard started out as a SCi Fi novelist. He once mentioned to his co-worker that &quot; If you really want to get rich, you need to start a religion&quot;


Also words of warning to all the &quot;Dianetics&quot; ads you see on TV and newspapers. THat's the scientolgy book for beginners. They ask scientolgists to buy the books in bulk themselves and then return it into distibution channel to keep the book on the best seller list.