I knew mercury was dangerous but damn! Updated with a followup.

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http://washingtontimes.com/metro/20031008-095344-3027r.htm

Here's a follow up to the above link I got in an email:

The number of students or staff from the District's Ballou Senior High School whose clothes were found contaminated with mercury increased by 50 percent yesterday as city officials released additional test results.

Officials said they had identified elevated levels of the harmful metal on 123 sets of clothing -- 43 more than officials announced Tuesday -- as a result of mercury that was spread throughout the Southeast Washington school by students last week.

Health workers are using the tests on clothing to determine whose houses to inspect for mercury vapors, which can pose serious health risks if inhaled in high concentrations. Anyone whose clothing tested positive will have their house screened for mercury vapor, said Tony Bullock, a spokesman for Mayor Anthony A. Williams (D).

While officials have found no cases of mercury poisoning, and while health officials said they doubted that the levels at Ballou would cause chronic disease, they say they want to conduct thorough testing and cleanup to prevent health problems.

Long-term exposure to mercury can damage the brain, kidneys and developing fetuses . Acute exposure can kill. Marcos Aquino, on-scene coordinator for the Environmental Protection Agency, said yesterday that many people recall playing with mercury when they were children and that one-time, short exposure might not cause harm.

Last night, officials said they had tested 29 houses and identified a second one with unacceptable levels of mercury vapor. It will be decontaminated at government expense. On Tuesday, officials identified one contaminated house in Southeast and said it was the home of the student who initially spread the mercury. The residents were asked to leave until the cleanup is complete.

Other homes may need to be tested. While officials said they believe that there were slightly more than 1,000 students and staff at Ballou when the mercury was taken and spread last Thursday, only about 425 have brought in their clothes for testing as health officials requested, Bullock said. Officials continued to urge the remaining people who were at the school to bring their clothes to Ballou.

The effort to detect contamination has spread to public transportation. Metro quarantined five buses for testing, and by afternoon, a spokeswoman said three buses had been tested and were found to be free of contamination. If a bus is found to be contaminated, officials said, people who may have been exposed longer would be of concern, including the driver and, perhaps, maintenance workers.

One of the buses quarantined is believed to have carried a passenger who is a student at Ballou and who rode the bus carrying a small amount of mercury last Thursday. According to city and police officials, that student bought the mercury for $1 from a student who took a vial from an unlocked chemistry room.

The student boarded the bus at Malcolm X and South Martin Luther King Jr. avenues in Southeast about 3:30 p.m. Thursday and got off near East Capitol Street and Benning Road, according to Metro.

Officials would not identify the students, and could not say how long the decontamination of houses would take. "We hope it will only take days, but we can't really say," said Ronald Lewis, chief operating officer for the city's Department of Health.

Ballou students continued to attend classes at the old D.C. convention center downtown and Hart Middle School in Southeast. Officials said they did not know when students could return to Ballou.

School officials have said that the student who obtained the mercury took about 250 milliliters from an unlocked chemistry lab and did not know of its danger.

Cmdr. Winston Robinson of the 7th Police District said his officers were helping with an investigation but that there was not evidence of a crime.

A Ballou science teacher left the mercury on a counter in a lab, school officials have said. The teacher was moving it and other items into another lab and failed to lock up the mercury as required by school policy. That teacher, whom school officials refuse to identify citing privacy concerns and an ongoing investigation, has been placed on administrative leave with pay.

Across the country and the Washington area, many school systems have phased out the use of mercury because of the health risks it poses if spilled.

In 2001, the Maryland General Assembly passed a law prohibiting schools -- aside from vocational schools -- from using mercury. Schools had until Oct. 1 to comply. Officials in several Northern Virginia school systems said they either no longer use mercury or keep it tightly controlled. (complete text)

 

Looney

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And to think back in the 70s kids use to play with these in science class. I'm not sure, but i think there's a bit of hyperboling going on around here.
 

notfred

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Over reactive bullsh!t. You're not going to get sick from handling an ounce or two of mercury for a few minutes.
 

Analog

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Students were seen carrying the mercury in bags and throwing it at walls and at each other.

:p
 

Eli

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Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
Originally posted by: yellowfiero
Students were seen carrying the mercury in bags and throwing it at walls and at each other.

:p

Are they stupid?

I guess so. :Q

Anybody who says this isn't a concern is simply stupid. I'm sorry notfred, but you have to understand the danger and need to keep a highly toxic substance like mercury contained.
 

Anubis

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A Ballou High School science teacher who left a chemistry lab unsecured faces suspension after a student took a vial of mercury and spread it, contaminating the school, students' homes and some Metro buses.

there is the problim.kill that kid leave teh teacher alone
 

JoLLyRoGer

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I understand that Mercury is bad stuff and must be treated with care, but what exactly makes it dangerous? IOW, What does it do if you're exposed to it?


Actually, never mind. I found a nice linky on www.epa.gov.

 

Anubis

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Originally posted by: JoLLyRoGer
I understand that Mercury is bad stuff and must be treated with care, but what exactly makes it dangerous? IOW, What does it do if you're exposed to it?

it can cause massive cell mutation = CANCER
 

jemcam

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I remember during my senior year in high school, my chemistry teacher had a huge barometer made of rubber tubing and glass tubes filled with mercury. We would tip it over and get the mercury out and play with it all the time. One time a guy got caught by the teacher when he was getting some out, and the teacher yelled at him and he dropped the whole thing sending thousands of mercury puddles all over the room. The teacher made him take some paper and scoop up every last little glob and put it all back. He kept right on teaching while the guy picked it up. That stuff was really cool to play with, it's really heavy, but the cool part was dropping it on the floor and watching it explode into a million pieces, then trying to get all of the pieces back together.

I never had any ill effects from that, and I played with that stuff daily for almost 6 months. By the end of the year, the barometer was completely out of mercury because students had stolen so much of it. I'll bet there was probably a liter or so of mercury in there. I also would guarantee that more than 20 years later there's still traces of mercury in that same room to this very day.

I agree, this is over reacting to an extreme.
 

kranky

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It's not overreacting. There are people who are getting mercury poisoning today from eating too much fish. I would expect playing with mercury or inhaling it might be even more dangerous than eating fish that accumulate mercury in their tissues.

High school students who don't understand mercury is poisonous? Baffling.
 

RU482

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Ah the stupid things we do with toxic sustances as children.

I've got some terrible stories from growing up in a farming community. It blows my mind that my friends and I aren't all dead as a result of the chemicals and substances (i.e. herbicides, fertilizers, mercury, you name it) we came in contact with almost daily growing up.

What's worse is that if we all wind up with cancer, who's to say what exactly caused it. There are so many factors in the environment today...all we can do is eliminate or control them better so future genereations don't have as much exposure to them.
 

lozina

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Originally posted by: kranky
It's not overreacting. There are people who are getting mercury poisoning today from eating too much fish. I would expect playing with mercury or inhaling it might be even more dangerous than eating fish that accumulate mercury in their tissues.

High school students who don't understand mercury is poisonous? Baffling.

Just think, most of us have this highly toxic substance in our mouth. The so-called 'silver' fillings are nothing more than a huge deposit of mercury. Mercury vapor DOES leak out especially during mechanical action of chewing and eating hot (temperature) foods. So here's to our health!
 

CQuinn

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I thought they were reducing the regular practice of using Silver/Mercury mixtures for tooth fillings
from years ago.

And most (if not all) contact lens solutions are now listed as thimerosal-free
(thimerosal = mercury).
 

WinkOsmosis

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Originally posted by: jemcam
I remember during my senior year in high school, my chemistry teacher had a huge barometer made of rubber tubing and glass tubes filled with mercury. We would tip it over and get the mercury out and play with it all the time. One time a guy got caught by the teacher when he was getting some out, and the teacher yelled at him and he dropped the whole thing sending thousands of mercury puddles all over the room. The teacher made him take some paper and scoop up every last little glob and put it all back. He kept right on teaching while the guy picked it up. That stuff was really cool to play with, it's really heavy, but the cool part was dropping it on the floor and watching it explode into a million pieces, then trying to get all of the pieces back together.

I never had any ill effects from that, and I played with that stuff daily for almost 6 months. By the end of the year, the barometer was completely out of mercury because students had stolen so much of it. I'll bet there was probably a liter or so of mercury in there. I also would guarantee that more than 20 years later there's still traces of mercury in that same room to this very day.

I agree, this is over reacting to an extreme.

And you know what effects there are, how? Have you had Dr. Crusher do a full cell DNA scan?
 

brxndxn

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It's not overreacting. There are people who are getting mercury poisoning today from eating too much fish. I would expect playing with mercury or inhaling it might be even more dangerous than eating fish that accumulate mercury in their tissues.

High school students who don't understand mercury is poisonous? Baffling.

lol..

This is a bunch of people with little knowledge on the subject touting their own 2 cents that they heard from another person touting their own 2 cents.

I'm with the overreacting crowd, though.
 

DrPizza

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I'll concur with the over-reacting voices....
Yes, mercury is bad stuff... very bad stuff... but as notfred said above, handling an ounce or two for a couple minutes presents a very very low risk...

IF it was a high risk, virtually every person who went to school in the 1970's would be dropping dead... we've all played with mercury.

Between the two extremes:
OMG, a student played with cigarettes, and now cigarette vapor is coming from everyone's clothes.... cigarette vapor is harmful

and

The student released nerve gas into the school

The mercury is far far closer to case #1.
 

DrPizza

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Geeez... if you think about it... if your grandparents have an older thermometer, and it breaks, it'll end up getting more mercury in their house than just about any of those student's houses that they're evacuating. I might even have a couple of mercury thermometers around the house if I look for them..... it'll be neat to show my kids what mercury looks like and how it behaves, since the schools have taken away that thrill for them. ;)
 

bigdog1218

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The key fact here is that mercury vapor is dangerous, mercury as a liquid will not harm you at all. You can actually drink a small amount of liquid mercury and have no harmful side effects since the molecule is too large to be absorbed intro your body, and it can't be absorbed through your skin so there is no danger there. You probably live or work with mercury vapor nearby since it is in all flourescent bulbs. Liquid mercury evaporates very slowly at normal room temperature, and with even low ventilation, the amount of vapor in the air can easily be kept under legal limits.
 

T2T III

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The student boarded the bus at Malcolm X and South Martin Luther King Jr. avenues in Southeast about 3:30 p.m. Thursday and got off near East Capitol Street and Benning Road, according to Metro.
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Originally posted by: kranky
It's not overreacting. There are people who are getting mercury poisoning today from eating too much fish. I would expect playing with mercury or inhaling it might be even more dangerous than eating fish that accumulate mercury in their tissues.

High school students who don't understand mercury is poisonous? Baffling.

[Rush Limbaugh Voice]

Well, considering it's in Southeast D.C. .... maybe, the student wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer.

[/Rush Limbaugh Voice]