"I Kissed a Girl and I Liked it, Then I Went to Hell"

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thepd7

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Originally posted by: Jeff7
Originally posted by: thepd7
I would argue that it stands. Why? Because of the precedent set in Genesis (woman created for man).
So is a woman without a man therefore worthless, since she's not fulfilling her God-given reason for existence?



God created us to glorify Him. There is no other reason for our existence. We are not all forgiven.
Wow, talk about an ego trip.

"Damn, here I am, sitting here, in an empty existence. I'm going to create a Universe, and a species that will worship me and glorify me and tell me how great I am. That ought to spice things up a bit."



It is the same with the gift of eternal life. Sins are not forgiven automatically. It is a sacred gift that must be recognized and accepted.
So, did Jesus die for our sins or not? His death didn't do away with any of the lasting effects of original sin, and being cast out of Eden. Men still toil in the dirt for sustenance. Women still experience great pain in childbirth. And we're still mortal. (Snakes also got condemned to "eat dust" for some stupid reason, they didn't do a damn thing wrong.)
What exactly did his death change?

1) Thanks for correcting me. Woman was not created for man, she was created to further glorify God (as I mentioned in my second point). What I should have pointed out is that when God wanted a companion for Adam he created a woman, not another man.

2) Ego trip? Yes, when you are the omniscient, omnipotent creator of all then you have every right to create everything to glorify you.

3) Jesus did die for our sins as a sacrifice and gift from God. "for God so loved the World he gave his one and only Son"

Gifts must be accepted. What Jesus changed is that we don't have to focus on the law or how much or little we have screwed up. We only have to focus on passionately pursuing Christ.
 

JohnCU

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Originally posted by: Jeff7
Originally posted by: thepd7
I would argue that it stands. Why? Because of the precedent set in Genesis (woman created for man).
So is a woman without a man therefore worthless, since she's not fulfilling her God-given reason for existence?



God created us to glorify Him. There is no other reason for our existence. We are not all forgiven.
Wow, talk about an ego trip.

"Damn, here I am, sitting here, in an empty existence. I'm going to create a Universe, and a species that will worship me and glorify me and tell me how great I am. That ought to spice things up a bit."



It is the same with the gift of eternal life. Sins are not forgiven automatically. It is a sacred gift that must be recognized and accepted.
So, did Jesus die for our sins or not? His death didn't do away with any of the lasting effects of original sin, and being cast out of Eden. Men still toil in the dirt for sustenance. Women still experience great pain in childbirth. And we're still mortal. (Snakes also got condemned to "eat dust" for some stupid reason, they didn't do a damn thing wrong.)
What exactly did his death change?

srsly, that's what i've thought for years now, god, if he exists, is an evil dictator. and here people think hitler was bad.
 

clamum

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Originally posted by: JohnCU
Originally posted by: Jeff7
Originally posted by: thepd7
I would argue that it stands. Why? Because of the precedent set in Genesis (woman created for man).
So is a woman without a man therefore worthless, since she's not fulfilling her God-given reason for existence?



God created us to glorify Him. There is no other reason for our existence. We are not all forgiven.
Wow, talk about an ego trip.

"Damn, here I am, sitting here, in an empty existence. I'm going to create a Universe, and a species that will worship me and glorify me and tell me how great I am. That ought to spice things up a bit."



It is the same with the gift of eternal life. Sins are not forgiven automatically. It is a sacred gift that must be recognized and accepted.
So, did Jesus die for our sins or not? His death didn't do away with any of the lasting effects of original sin, and being cast out of Eden. Men still toil in the dirt for sustenance. Women still experience great pain in childbirth. And we're still mortal. (Snakes also got condemned to "eat dust" for some stupid reason, they didn't do a damn thing wrong.)
What exactly did his death change?

srsly, that's what i've thought for years now, god, if he exists, is an evil dictator. and here people think hitler was bad.
Evil dictator, yeah add "douchebag" as well.
 

JohnCU

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Originally posted by: clamum
Originally posted by: JohnCU
Originally posted by: Jeff7
Originally posted by: thepd7
I would argue that it stands. Why? Because of the precedent set in Genesis (woman created for man).
So is a woman without a man therefore worthless, since she's not fulfilling her God-given reason for existence?



God created us to glorify Him. There is no other reason for our existence. We are not all forgiven.
Wow, talk about an ego trip.

"Damn, here I am, sitting here, in an empty existence. I'm going to create a Universe, and a species that will worship me and glorify me and tell me how great I am. That ought to spice things up a bit."



It is the same with the gift of eternal life. Sins are not forgiven automatically. It is a sacred gift that must be recognized and accepted.
So, did Jesus die for our sins or not? His death didn't do away with any of the lasting effects of original sin, and being cast out of Eden. Men still toil in the dirt for sustenance. Women still experience great pain in childbirth. And we're still mortal. (Snakes also got condemned to "eat dust" for some stupid reason, they didn't do a damn thing wrong.)
What exactly did his death change?

srsly, that's what i've thought for years now, god, if he exists, is an evil dictator. and here people think hitler was bad.
Evil dictator, yeah add "douchebag" as well.

with a fucked up sense of humor on top.

 

TehMac

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Originally posted by: miketheidiot

15th century italy was more about subservience that any man/man love

And how is that different overall from modern society then?
 

nakedfrog

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Originally posted by: thepd7
Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: thepd7
1. There is a law in the old testament.

2. That is true. However, all sin condemns you to hell.

3.
Check out this passage - "Neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woolen come upon thee." - Leviticus 19:19. That is an old testament law. Check out the fabric ratios in the clothes you wear.

Sorry, God didn't create us to set us up for Hell. The fall in Eden wasn't a path to hell, but rather a path to mortality. Jesus came here to get us to stop our self-invoked misery during this mortality, i.e. the religious nuts of his time, judging everyone. Ring a bell? He "died for our sins" literally means we killed him - not that he became some gateway into an afterlife. We're all forgiven of our stupidity after we die, there are no secret handshakes.

Read the literal translations of the passages concerning hell. Then read about those times. You'll find that they were talking about literal places, not metaphors related to an afterlife.

Yes, that is true there are many laws we don't follow. However, Jesus makes it clear that it's the condition of the heart that matters with the mention of how someone angry with their brother has committed murder in his heart, etc.

So then the question is, is the law regarding homosexuality one that we ignore because of Jesus' coming or one that stands?

I would argue that it stands. Why? Because of the precedent set in Genesis (woman created for man).

You would argue that it stands because it agrees the beliefs that you already hold. You don't base it on logic.
 

jyates

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Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: thepd7
Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: thepd7
1. There is a law in the old testament.

2. That is true. However, all sin condemns you to hell.

3.
Check out this passage - "Neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woolen come upon thee." - Leviticus 19:19. That is an old testament law. Check out the fabric ratios in the clothes you wear.

Sorry, God didn't create us to set us up for Hell. The fall in Eden wasn't a path to hell, but rather a path to mortality. Jesus came here to get us to stop our self-invoked misery during this mortality, i.e. the religious nuts of his time, judging everyone. Ring a bell? He "died for our sins" literally means we killed him - not that he became some gateway into an afterlife. We're all forgiven of our stupidity after we die, there are no secret handshakes.

Read the literal translations of the passages concerning hell. Then read about those times. You'll find that they were talking about literal places, not metaphors related to an afterlife.

Yes, that is true there are many laws we don't follow. However, Jesus makes it clear that it's the condition of the heart that matters with the mention of how someone angry with their brother has committed murder in his heart, etc.

So then the question is, is the law regarding homosexuality one that we ignore because of Jesus' coming or one that stands?

I would argue that it stands. Why? Because of the precedent set in Genesis (woman created for man).

You would argue that it stands because it agrees the beliefs that you already hold. You don't base it on logic.

A person's faith / belief system isn't something you can write into a formula and get a "logical" answer to. It would be nice if everyone would agree 2 + 2 = 4 but this arena just doesn't fit into a nice neat box.



 

DangerAardvark

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Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Got to love religious tolerance...


and we wonder why we are fucked every 4 years...

So if all the bi-sexual hawt girls are going to hell and all the pretentious holier than though bible thumpers are going to heaven...guess hell won't be that bad after all.

would you rather they do this?

Ahh, the argument from "hey, at least least we're not the Taliban".
 

CKent

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Aug 17, 2005
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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: NFS4
I wouldn't say they suck, but I just can't get into their music.

I'm not a Beatles lover or a Beatles lover, but it just occurred to me that they get very little play on the classic rock stations I listen to considering their status as the Greatest Band Ever?

The people who listened to the Beatles are in or approaching their sixties now. Hearing loss and utterly complete inability to use even simple electronics set in around then and make it non cost-effective to target this demographic with a radio station. Thus the oldies stations target people in the ~35-55 range. I don't listen to radio anymore, but I remember the playlist changing over the years on my local classic rock and other oldies stations. When they started playing AiC and STP I realized I'm getting old :laugh:

The Beatles sound very dated to me, and I'm not a big fan of the sound or themes of pop music, but there's no denying they're one of the greatest bands of all time.

Oh yeah, token anti-religion statement goes here.
 

dbk

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Now when I hear that line, I have to say "Then I went to hellllll~~~":music:
 

JulesMaximus

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Jul 3, 2003
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Originally posted by: FallenHero
Let he who is without sin...

Sadly that is something that has been lost in our society. Holy rollers just don't seem to get that concept.

Religion is becoming as corrupt and untrustworthy as government in this country.
 

PlasmaBomb

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Nov 19, 2004
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Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
You know, being almost 27 years old and homosexual, I have come to the conclusion that a large majority of the population are not delusional, but almost purposefully ignorant. Humans are very complex beings as compared to other species, but that doesn't exactly mean we are hard to figure out. People generally play off of what they have to offer and either ignore or over compensate for what we don't.
I don't often take offense to what people have to say because it's based on ignorance. I know that word is thrown around a lot, but it is honestly true.
Just as I do not know what it is like to be African American, or even just African, just as I don't know what it is like to be Jewish, people do not know what it is like to be a "homosexual."
It's only hard when people make it hard for you. It is really not that difficult to understand if you would only try. Sometimes I feel that some people feel that trying to understand a "sin" is a sin in itself.

Sign me up for Satan

Oh god /facepalm
 

thepd7

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Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: thepd7
Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: thepd7
1. There is a law in the old testament.

2. That is true. However, all sin condemns you to hell.

3.
Check out this passage - "Neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woolen come upon thee." - Leviticus 19:19. That is an old testament law. Check out the fabric ratios in the clothes you wear.

Sorry, God didn't create us to set us up for Hell. The fall in Eden wasn't a path to hell, but rather a path to mortality. Jesus came here to get us to stop our self-invoked misery during this mortality, i.e. the religious nuts of his time, judging everyone. Ring a bell? He "died for our sins" literally means we killed him - not that he became some gateway into an afterlife. We're all forgiven of our stupidity after we die, there are no secret handshakes.

Read the literal translations of the passages concerning hell. Then read about those times. You'll find that they were talking about literal places, not metaphors related to an afterlife.

Yes, that is true there are many laws we don't follow. However, Jesus makes it clear that it's the condition of the heart that matters with the mention of how someone angry with their brother has committed murder in his heart, etc.

So then the question is, is the law regarding homosexuality one that we ignore because of Jesus' coming or one that stands?

I would argue that it stands. Why? Because of the precedent set in Genesis (woman created for man).

You would argue that it stands because it agrees the beliefs that you already hold. You don't base it on logic.

Logically, if God saw the need for a companion for man and created woman, then men and women are meant to be together.

My beliefs are based on scripture. If you can show me scripture contrary to what I am saying please do.
 

Hyperlite

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Originally posted by: thepd7
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: thepd7
Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: thepd7
1. There is a law in the old testament.

2. That is true. However, all sin condemns you to hell.

3.
Check out this passage - "Neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woolen come upon thee." - Leviticus 19:19. That is an old testament law. Check out the fabric ratios in the clothes you wear.

Sorry, God didn't create us to set us up for Hell. The fall in Eden wasn't a path to hell, but rather a path to mortality. Jesus came here to get us to stop our self-invoked misery during this mortality, i.e. the religious nuts of his time, judging everyone. Ring a bell? He "died for our sins" literally means we killed him - not that he became some gateway into an afterlife. We're all forgiven of our stupidity after we die, there are no secret handshakes.

Read the literal translations of the passages concerning hell. Then read about those times. You'll find that they were talking about literal places, not metaphors related to an afterlife.

Yes, that is true there are many laws we don't follow. However, Jesus makes it clear that it's the condition of the heart that matters with the mention of how someone angry with their brother has committed murder in his heart, etc.

So then the question is, is the law regarding homosexuality one that we ignore because of Jesus' coming or one that stands?

I would argue that it stands. Why? Because of the precedent set in Genesis (woman created for man).

You would argue that it stands because it agrees the beliefs that you already hold. You don't base it on logic.

Logically, if God saw the need for a companion for man and created woman, then men and women are meant to be together.

My beliefs are based on scripture. If you can show me scripture contrary to what I am saying please do.

Homer wrote the bible! YAARRGGGHH!!