i just tried Opera...

[theMan]

i just decided to try out opera, i must say, its really good. one thing that is missing, that i cant live without is the sweet search feature in firefox, where it searches as you type. can i get this for opera? i really cannot live without it.

 

[Malak]

Describe it more. I don't really understand what you are saying.

 

[igowerf]

Originally posted by: Malak
Describe it more. I don't really understand what you are saying.

It's just Find-As-You-Type. You can do the same thing in Windows Explorer or in combo boxes. While you're typing your query, Firefox will jump to the first occurrence of whatever you have typed so far.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: igowerf

Originally posted by: Malak
Describe it more. I don't really understand what you are saying.

It's just Find-As-You-Type. You can do the same thing in Windows Explorer or in combo boxes. While you're typing your query, Firefox will jump to the first occurrence of whatever you have typed so far.

When is that more useful than the find function?

 

[igowerf]

Originally posted by: Malak

Originally posted by: igowerf

Originally posted by: Malak
Describe it more. I don't really understand what you are saying.

It's just Find-As-You-Type. You can do the same thing in Windows Explorer or in combo boxes. While you're typing your query, Firefox will jump to the first occurrence of whatever you have typed so far.

When is that more useful than the find function?

It's about the same in usefulness, but it also lets you type only as much as you need to find a string. Although, there have been certain times when this feature came in handy to quickly find misspelled words. The search box turns red the moment that your query string isn't found.

You can also set it to work without the Find dialogue. In early versions of Firefox, by default, you could just start typing (without hitting CTRL + F) and it would jump to matching links on the page. This let you navigate pages without using the mouse and without scrolling.

 

[igowerf]

The default key for Inline text searching is / .

- JustAnAveraegGuy

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: igowerf

The default key for Inline text searching is / .

- JustAnAveraegGuy

Aha, that's one keystroke faster than ctrl + f for find, but it's not quite as functional. Still neat.

 

[igowerf]

Originally posted by: Malak

Originally posted by: igowerf

The default key for Inline text searching is / .

- JustAnAveraegGuy

Aha, that's one keystroke faster than ctrl + f for find, but it's not quite as functional. Still neat.

This implementation is similar to the old Find-As-You-Type in FF: it only goes to the first link with the matching text and when you hit Enter, it loads the link. The current FF search box works like a regular search box, except it also highlights results as you type.

 

[Nothinman]

Aha, that's one keystroke faster than ctrl + f for find, but it's not quite as functional. Still neat.

It's a lot more convenient than ctrl/alt/shift+anything. And it's second nature to unix people since most unix apps use / as their search key.

 

[theMan]

i just think it is annoying to have to type things into the box, and then theres no way to tell if you spelled something wrong, it just says, not found, and it just makes finding specific things on a page really easy. the function in firefox is a lot better than in opera imo.

 

[Tremulant]

I tried opera too, I liked the way it looked.

But that's about it... didn't find anything else really extraordinary about it.

I guess I'm just used to FF + All-In-One-Gestures and Tab Mix Plus. =\

 

[Tremulant]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

Aha, that's one keystroke faster than ctrl + f for find, but it's not quite as functional. Still neat.

It's a lot more convenient than ctrl/alt/shift+anything. And it's second nature to unix people since most unix apps use / as their search key.

/ opens the inline search in both opera and FF.

(not directed at you, it's just something I just noticed now)

 

[Furyline]

It's easy, but is there a way to find the next occurance? I try hitting enter and it just gets rid of it.
<--new opera user

 

[Tremulant]

F3?

Not sure, but F3 usually does it in windows and firefox.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: Tremulant
I tried opera too, I liked the way it looked.

But that's about it... didn't find anything else really extraordinary about it.

I guess I'm just used to FF + All-In-One-Gestures and Tab Mix Plus. =\

Nothing extraordinary? Opera does 100x more than any other browser out of the box, it's the fastest and most secure browser... I mean what more can you want from a browser?

 

[Nothinman]

It's easy, but is there a way to find the next occurance? I try hitting enter and it just gets rid of it.

Ctrl+G and F3 both do it in FF, F3 has been the default 'find next' hotkey in Windows apps for some time so that probably works in Opera too.

Nothing extraordinary? Opera does 100x more than any other browser out of the box, it's the fastest and most secure browser... I mean what more can you want from a browser?

Here we go again, OperaMan attempting to rescue the helpless little users from the evil FF.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: Nothinman
Here we go again, OperaMan attempting to rescue the helpless little users from the evil FF.

I'm not saying FF is evil. I'm saying Opera is 100x more functional, faster, and more secure. None of these things are disputable. And if you do a search in this forum, you'll find a lot more threads about problems with FF than with Opera.

 

[BlueWeasel]

Originally posted by: Nothinman
Here we go again, OperaMan attempting to rescue the helpless little users from the evil FF.

You beat me to it.

 

[theMan]

it just seems to me like FF is a lot more developed than opera, and better put together, plus, im really used to and satisfied with FF. unlike when i switched from IE. i was so full of annoyances with that thing. just like when i switched from netscape to IE way way back.

 

[Nothinman]

I'm not saying FF is evil. I'm saying Opera is 100x more functional, faster, and more secure. None of these things are disputable. And if you do a search in this forum, you'll find a lot more threads about problems with FF than with Opera.

They are disputable, you can't prove anything about the security of Opera because it's closed source and most of the functionality it includes (the mail client, the IRC client, mouse gestures, etc) are crap and it's even worse because they're not optional. You're stuck with whatever Opera decides is best for you.

And I'm willing to bet that more people are having problems with FF because more people are actually using it.

 

[rh71]

Opera is awesome... except for the initial setup to get everything the way I want it (mouse gestures and the toolbars)... after that... it's all been great.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

I'm not saying FF is evil. I'm saying Opera is 100x more functional, faster, and more secure. None of these things are disputable. And if you do a search in this forum, you'll find a lot more threads about problems with FF than with Opera.

They are disputable, you can't prove anything about the security of Opera because it's closed source and most of the functionality it includes (the mail client, the IRC client, mouse gestures, etc) are crap and it's even worse because they're not optional. You're stuck with whatever Opera decides is best for you.

And I'm willing to bet that more people are having problems with FF because more people are actually using it.

All the Opera problem posts EVER do not come close to the first year FF was out. FF has 3 times the unpatched security holes as Opera, and twice as many security fixes. Opera is the fastest browser in every benchmark I've ever seen. These things just aren't disputable. Saying it isn't open source doesn't mean it isn't secure, if anything being closed source makes it MORE secure. You don't have a reasonable arguement.

 

[Slicedbread]

If only yahoo launch would work with opera properly.

 

[igowerf]

Originally posted by: Malak
All the Opera problem posts EVER do not come close to the first year FF was out. FF has 3 times the unpatched security holes as Opera, and twice as many security fixes. Opera is the fastest browser in every benchmark I've ever seen. These things just aren't disputable. Saying it isn't open source doesn't mean it isn't secure, if anything being closed source makes it MORE secure. You don't have a reasonable arguement.

Not that many people used Opera until recently so I don't see why there'd be many posts here about it. There seem to be a fare amount of problems on the Opera forums though.

Opera isn't very widely used at all right now. It accounts for 1.5% of the client stats at w3schools.com, a site frequented by people who would actually know about Opera.
http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp

Also, why would being closed source mean that it's MORE secure?

 

[Nothinman]

FF has 3 times the unpatched security holes as Opera, and twice as many security fixes.

The last time we went through this I looked at the Secunia reports and all of the unpatched problems with FF were pretty unimportant. Should they be fixed? Sure. Are they hurting anyone currently? No. And fixing some of them would require breaking extensions, not something they want to do on a wim. Sort of like the current WMF exploit. The exploit is actually there by design, there's no flaw other than the fact that MS designed the WMF file format to be able to execute code inside of the file. And if the stories are correct it's been there since the Win 3.0 days and no one has noticed it's potential until now, so who knows how many similar things are in Opera that haven't been noticed yet?

Opera is the fastest browser in every benchmark I've ever seen.

Benchmarks are worthless. I will admit that Gecko isn't the fastest renderer on the planet, but for day to day browsing who cares? Virtually ever page I visit renders faster than the network can provide data to it.

Saying it isn't open source doesn't mean it isn't secure, if anything being closed source makes it MORE secure. You don't have a reasonable arguement.

You're the one being unreasonable, security by obscurity buys you absolutely nothing, MS can attest to that. Take one look at IE's security history and say again with a straight face that closing the source to something makes it more secure.