I just saw the movie "The Pianist"

narcotic

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It took me a while but I finally saw this movie. I didn't think there was anything nice about the holocaust, neither I thought of the Germans to be anything other than filthy pigs. Yet after seeing this movie my emotions are far stronger than before, I think we could have done more justice to mankind if we would have dropped a couple of bombs on the jerms as well rather than just the japs (though I am aware the scums surrendered before our nukes were actually ready). Well, I had to let it out. :(
 

KLin

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Originally posted by: narcotic
It took me a while but I finally saw this movie. I didn't think there was anything nice about the holocaust, neither I thought of the Germans to be anything other than filthy pigs. Yet after seeing this movie my emotions are far stronger than before, I think we could have done more justice to mankind if we would have dropped a couple of bombs on the jerms as well rather than just the japs (though I am aware the scums surrendered before our nukes were actually ready). Well, I had to let it out. :(

P&N
 

Tom

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the conventional and incendiary bombs we used against Germany did plenty of damage.

I think the same thing is true in Japan, we actually did way more damage over time with regular bombs, than we did with the 2 atomic bombs.
 

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Originally posted by: Tom
the conventional and incendiary bombs we used against Germany did plenty of damage.

I think the same thing is true in Japan, we actually did way more damage over time with regular bombs, than we did with the 2 atomic bombs.

I disagree.
But I really didn't intend to start an argument about that. I was just expressing feelings.
 

Tom

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Originally posted by: narcotic
Originally posted by: Tom
the conventional and incendiary bombs we used against Germany did plenty of damage.

I think the same thing is true in Japan, we actually did way more damage over time with regular bombs, than we did with the 2 atomic bombs.

I disagree.
But I really didn't intend to start an argument about that. I was just expressing feelings.


Didn't mean to get off-track. i thought the movie was great, but I came away with a different feeling I guess, the last thing the movie made me want to do would be to inflict more pain, on anybody, no matter how much they might deserve it.

But I'm a retired hippy flower child, what would you expect ?
:sun:
 

narcotic

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Originally posted by: Tom
Originally posted by: narcotic
Originally posted by: Tom
the conventional and incendiary bombs we used against Germany did plenty of damage.

I think the same thing is true in Japan, we actually did way more damage over time with regular bombs, than we did with the 2 atomic bombs.

I disagree.
But I really didn't intend to start an argument about that. I was just expressing feelings.


Didn't mean to get off-track. i thought the movie was great, but I came away with a different feeling I guess, the last thing the movie made me want to do would be to inflict more pain, on anybody, no matter how much they might deserve it.

But I'm a retired hippy flower child, what would you expect ?
:sun:

Nothing, you're talking with sense, I'm with emotion... It'll pass.
I wouldn't want to cause more pain either, and it wouldn't have helped anyway.
 

Brutuskend

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I doubt that even if we HAD had the bomb before they surrendered that we would have used it on the Germans.

As sad and as wrong as it sounds NOW, they (the Germans) were just too much like US, yet in many peoples minds the Japanese were FOREIGN and viewed as "less human than us" by many people at that time which I think allowed them to drop the bomb without as much regret as there would have been if we dropped it on WHITE people.
 

Strk

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Originally posted by: Tom
the conventional and incendiary bombs we used against Germany did plenty of damage.

I think the same thing is true in Japan, we actually did way more damage over time with regular bombs, than we did with the 2 atomic bombs.

Well yeah.

The firebombing of Tokyo (one night's campaign) killed over 100,000 and incinterated around 16 square miles of the city. That was just a single campaign that was over before the sun was up. It was also probably one of the most devastating attacks ever (single attacks, that is; no cheating and using stuff that took a while ;)).
 

TallBill

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Originally posted by: Strk
Originally posted by: Tom
the conventional and incendiary bombs we used against Germany did plenty of damage.

I think the same thing is true in Japan, we actually did way more damage over time with regular bombs, than we did with the 2 atomic bombs.

Well yeah.

The firebombing of Tokyo (one night's campaign) killed over 100,000 and incinterated around 16 square miles of the city. That was just a single campaign that was over before the sun was up. It was also probably one of the most devastating attacks ever (single attacks, that is; no cheating and using stuff that took a while ;)).


The amount of bombs dropped period, everywhere, was amazing in WW2.
 

K1052

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Originally posted by: Brutuskend
I doubt that even if we HAD had the bomb before they surrendered that we would have used it on the Germans.

As sad and as wrong as it sounds NOW, they (the Germans) were just too much like US, yet in many peoples minds the Japanese were FOREIGN and viewed as "less human than us" by many people at that time which I think allowed them to drop the bomb without as much regret as there would have been if we dropped it on WHITE people.

I think it would be fair to say that there was less animosity between Germany and the US then there was between Japan and the US. The only place that surpassed the hell of the Pacific island/S.E. Asia campaigns was the Russian front.

The Germans fought and thought militarily in a rational way. We could at least respect and understand this. POWs from both sides (US/Germany) were treated tolerably well all things considered. This was not the case with the Japanese.