I just purchased a KDL-46XBR3 -HELP!

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EDIT - <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://forums.gottadeal.com/showthread.php?t=61428">Here's a link to the printable 12% BB coupon
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Hi guys,

Lastnight I finally was able to convince the wife that it was time for us to get an HDTV (great holiday sales). Below is my experience at BB getting a pretty sweet deal on a great HDTV followed by some (really) imporant (and admittedly newbish) questions. I would like to add that, I'm really not an audio/videophile (IE: Ignorant). I love this technology, and I'm at heart...a gamer -which is the main driving force behind this purchase. Ok! On ward!

We ended up at Besy Buy with a 12% off coupon in hand ready to take advantage of their 18 month no interest financing. We took a look at with the following HDTVs with the following initial impressions:

Sony 46" LCD HDTV (KDL40XBR2)
When we approached this TV and it was hooked up to a full home theatre surround sound system and a Blu-Ray player. "Open Season" was playing on a BRD player and our jaws dropped. The image on this TV was absolutely stunning. The visual fidelity was the most impressive I've ever seen. My wife actually said, "Oh wow...I need to take a step back....I think I'm getting a headache" (the scene was moving around fast and she gets vertigo kinda easy). It was amazing -but a tad too small for us. When I say small, I don't mean the distance (of the physical screen) from side-to-side, but the distance from top to bottom. Another movie came on and it was in widescreen format and we noticed that is was not taking advantage of the entire screen -it had about 2-3 inches of un-used space on the top and bottom of the screen. I didnt fully understand why this was happening -but the movie came across as small -too small. So, we moved on to the 46'' below...

Sony 46" LCD HDTV (KDL46XBR2)
Holy Christmas! What an amazing TV. It was just like it's 40'' little brother, but much bigger. We sat and watched some football game. I wish we could have seen "Open Season" on this TV, but it appeared that the TV had a slightly less as sharp picture than the 40'' XBR2. Please keep in mind when I say this -it still looked incredible. It wasnt a huge difference -but I could swear that I saw a small difference. Anyway -loved this TV.

Sony 46" LCD HDTV (KDL-46S2010)
Another great TV -but it just didnt compare to the XBR2 line of Bravias so we moved on.

Sharp AQUOS 46" 1080p LCD HDTV (LC46D62U )
We had heard a lot about this TV from a few friends and on line. So, we were excited about the prospect of looking at this TV because it was slightly cheaper and (from what we heard) had the potentiol to be just as good, if not, better than the 46'' Bravia.

When we watched it for about 10 mins, it just appeared to fall a little short of the 46'' XBR2. It was running on the same football game feed, so it was easy to compare. It was nice, but it had a little more or a grainy picture and we moved on.

Sony Grand WEGA 50" 1080p Rear-Projection SXRD HDTV
The last TV we were going to check out was the SXRD. As we approached it, the first thing we noticed was the size of this thing. We really had our hearts set on an LCD (mainly because of the physically footprint -my wife really likes the size and weight of LCDs so thats where we were heading most likely). We tried to have an open mind because of the size and price -but we just wernt impressed after seeing these other incredible HDTVs (also, we're big on viewing angles). We quickly moved on.


We walked back to all three LCDs and found ouselves coming back to the 46'' XBR2. After about 15 minutes of consideration we decided to move on it. The 18 month (same as cash) no interest + the 12% coupon just kind of hooked and reeled us in. We pulled a rep aside and be began the purchase process of the 46'' XBR2.

After about 10 mins of paper work at the counter, it turned out that the TV was not in stock. In fact, the TV wasnt even at the warehouse for order. A manager (extremely nice and helpful) took over and attempted to track down the TV for us -but had no luck. He informed us of the situation and then said, "Ok, follow me..." and walked over to the "high-end exhibition room" and took us to a 46'' XBR3. He said, "Look, I have no idea when we're even going to get an XBR2 in -it could be weeks, this time of year, so here is what I can do for you. This is an XBR3. It's the exact same TV as the XBR2. The only difference is that it has a black piano finished on the outside and a "floating glass" look -so it's all asthetics. So, technically speaking -it's the same exact TV and I'll give it to you for the exact same price ($3419.99).

My wife wasnt really sure, at first, because of the black "piano finish" and it's super-reflective surface. It bothered her and I could onyl respect that. We talked it over, and I asked the manager if he had any other deals. I informed him that we were interested in in the 46'' AQUOS as well. He thought it over and said, ok I'll give you that TV for $2399 ($700 off!). We ran back to the AQUOS and looked it over. What a sweet deal! We then ran back to the XBR2/XBR3 and considered our options.

The XBR2/3, really, just had a superior picture in the end. The excellent price on the AQUOS really had us stuck in consideration. We figured, what the heck -lets just get the AQUOS because thats an amazing price. We walked back to the counter, past the XBR3 and my wife stopped. I looked back and she says, "...it just has a better picture though, does it? I mean, look at it. It's beautiful". I've never, ever head my wife call ANY electronic device beautiful -that changed everything. We figured that, in 6 months, we wouldnt be saying, "Oh man, we saved all this money yay!". We figured we would be saying, "It was a great deal, but, I bet the image quality on the XBR3 would have been better". We wanted to be completely satisfied and figured if we had gone this far, then we might as well spend the extra money and get the best.

So, we changed our minds and picked up the XBR3 for the $3419 price tag. It seemed like an excellent deal (right?). It was scary spending that kind of cash on a TV -but we really wanted it.

Sorry this was so long winded, but it was an amazing experience and had to share.

1) How come some movies dont take up the follw screen on a TV that's 16:9? I imagine it's because some movies are true 16:9, correct?

2) The first time you went from a SDTV to a HDTV, did you notice that the image was a little grainier because it's such a higher resolution? A SDTV looks softer,
right, this is natural?

3) Technically, does the 40'' XBR2 have a cleaner picture than the 46''?

4) I hear that the XBR3 doesnt do SD very well. What are my options so help that?

5) I know nothing about DVD players that "up-convert". We have a ton of SD-DVDs and would like to watch them on this amazing TV with the best image possible. What would you recommend as a DVD player for us?

6) We have a DVR from Comcast (Adelphia). It was everything but HDMI. Whats the next best option. I noticed it had S-video, Componant and Composite. It composite or s-video our best bet for picture quality.

7) Where can I get a cheap, full acceptable HDMI cable. They wanted $50-$75 at BB! :(

8) Is there something I'm leaving out that you would like to recommend?

Thanks in advanced guys! :)

-Mark
 

warcrow

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Originally posted by: toekramp
where is this 12% coupon!

edit: I am assuming its this... coupon, but it expired the 4th of december

It's that exact same coupon, but expired 12/17. I don't have the link handy (I'm at work).
 

warcrow

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Originally posted by: AbsolutDealage
Originally posted by: warcrow
7) Where can I get a cheap, full acceptable HDMI cable. They wanted $50-$75 at BB! :(

MonoPrice. Look at the bottom of the page.

Holy crap! Is that legit?!

Also, which cables to I want?

http://www.monoprice.com/products/produ...024004&p_id=2529&seq=1&format=2&style=

I like that one because the extra length might come in handy! :D

Also, whats the best video input behind HDMI? S-video? Componant?
 

warcrow

Lifer
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Thanks for that link. I just ordered 2 15 foot male-to-male HDMI cames for $20 shipped! awesome!
 

jtvang125

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Originally posted by: warcrow
Originally posted by: AbsolutDealage
Originally posted by: warcrow
7) Where can I get a cheap, full acceptable HDMI cable. They wanted $50-$75 at BB! :(

MonoPrice. Look at the bottom of the page.

Holy crap! Is that legit?!

Also, which cables to I want?

http://www.monoprice.com/products/produ...024004&p_id=2529&seq=1&format=2&style=

I like that one because the extra length might come in handy! :D

Also, whats the best video input behind HDMI? S-video? Componant?

1. HDMI
2. DVI (not all TVs have it)
3. VGA (not all TVs have it)
4. Component
5. S-Video
6. Composite
 

warcrow

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I noticed that our DVR (Moxi) has a DVI port and no HDMI. Would you guys suggest that I hook our XBR3 up to the DVR via DVI if the TV has that port?
 

uhohs

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did you check the settings/setup of the aquos to see if it was setup properly?
 

RossMAN

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Originally posted by: warcrow
Originally posted by: AbsolutDealage
Originally posted by: warcrow
7) Where can I get a cheap, full acceptable HDMI cable. They wanted $50-$75 at BB! :(

MonoPrice. Look at the bottom of the page.

Holy crap! Is that legit?!

Also, which cables to I want?

http://www.monoprice.com/products/produ...024004&p_id=2529&seq=1&format=2&style=

I like that one because the extra length might come in handy! :D

Also, whats the best video input behind HDMI? S-video? Componant?

Yep :)

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=38&threadid=1974990
 

iRONic

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Originally posted by: warcrow

6) We have a DVR from Comcast (Adelphia). It was everything but HDMI. Whats the next best option. I noticed it had S-video, Componant and Composite. It composite or s-video our best bet for picture quality.

Is your DVR HD? If not, exchange it for a HD model from Comcast. Boom! HDMI connection.

Upconverting DVD players.


 

warcrow

Lifer
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Yea, those OPPOs are great arnt they? I keep hearing about them, and the price is nice.
 

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Originally posted by: warcrow

1) How come some movies dont take up the follw screen on a TV that's 16:9? I imagine it's because some movies are true 16:9, correct?

2) The first time you went from a SDTV to a HDTV, did you notice that the image was a little grainier because it's such a higher resolution? A SDTV looks softer,
right, this is natural?

3) Technically, does the 40'' XBR2 have a cleaner picture than the 46''?

4) I hear that the XBR3 doesnt do SD very well. What are my options so help that?

5) I know nothing about DVD players that "up-convert". We have a ton of SD-DVDs and would like to watch them on this amazing TV with the best image possible. What would you recommend as a DVD player for us?

6) We have a DVR from Comcast (Adelphia). It was everything but HDMI. Whats the next best option. I noticed it had S-video, Componant and Composite. It composite or s-video our best bet for picture quality.

7) Where can I get a cheap, full acceptable HDMI cable. They wanted $50-$75 at BB! :(

8) Is there something I'm leaving out that you would like to recommend?


-Mark

i'm not expert, but i'll try to answer some of your questions:

1) not all widesceen films are 1.78:1. Some are 1.85:1, 2.35:1, and 2.40:1. This depends on how the film was shot and projected at the theater. Interesting note: if you watch Galaxy Quest carefully, the film widens from 4:3 to 1.85:1 to 2.35:1 as thematically the tv show within the movie becomes more "real".

2) Movies (and many TV shows) are shot on film and then converted. With the HD resolution you can actually pick up the film grain, which obviously changes depending on the film stock.

5) A lot of people recommend upconverting DVD players, but don't forget that it's the same number of pixels on the DVD-- it won't be magically better.

6) Component


 

PcktRcktsAA

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Originally posted by: warcrow
Sorry this was so long winded, but it was an amazing experience and had to share.

1) How come some movies dont take up the follw screen on a TV that's 16:9? I imagine it's because some movies are true 16:9, correct?

2) The first time you went from a SDTV to a HDTV, did you notice that the image was a little grainier because it's such a higher resolution? A SDTV looks softer,
right, this is natural?

3) Technically, does the 40'' XBR2 have a cleaner picture than the 46''?

4) I hear that the XBR3 doesnt do SD very well. What are my options so help that?

5) I know nothing about DVD players that "up-convert". We have a ton of SD-DVDs and would like to watch them on this amazing TV with the best image possible. What would you recommend as a DVD player for us?

6) We have a DVR from Comcast (Adelphia). It was everything but HDMI. Whats the next best option. I noticed it had S-video, Componant and Composite. It composite or s-video our best bet for picture quality.

7) Where can I get a cheap, full acceptable HDMI cable. They wanted $50-$75 at BB! :(

8) Is there something I'm leaving out that you would like to recommend?

Thanks in advanced guys! :)

-Mark

the xbr3 is a great tv. congratulations.

to answer your questions -

1.) not all dvds will fill up your entire screen, and that is due to the aspect ratio. 4:3 is the 'square' format, which will fill 4:3 standard definition tvs (like most folks tube tvs), but not 16:9 HD tv's. thats where you get the bars on the side. most (not all) dvd's are in a widescreen format, most notably 1.85:1 and 2.35:1. Some will have something like 2.66:1 as well. For the most part, 1.85:1 will fill up the screen, because the 16:9 ratio is actually 1.77:1, so only a tiny bit will be cut off. Movies that have a 2.35:1 aspect will not fill the screen vertically because of of their wider aspect ratio. Make sense?

However, most HD tv's have several aspect ratio options on the tv side as well, usually full, just, and various zoom modes. while zoom modes are practically worthless, full and just will stretch a 4:3 image to fill the entire screen. it will not look as good as a regular 16:9 broadcast, but if bars on the side bother you that much, it might be worth it. you are distorting the picture some as well (keep in mind you are stretching a square into a rectangle) but it is worth it for some.

2.) its a fact that MOST analog sources on an HDTV will look WORSE than their SD counterparts. Why? HD tvs have many more lines of resolution which 'show' more of what comes through on the signal of any particular input. Because of this extra detail, you also see more of the crap that comes through - a good example would be hooking up a coax cable connection straight to the tv. SD tv's just cant show as much detail as their HD counterparts and in theory make the picture look 'better' because its 'hiding' alot of the 'grainy-ness' you are seeing now. most customers dont realize that if they are primarily watching non-HD sources their picture may actually look worse than on their old SD television.

3.) technically, no it doesnt. the reason you may be noticing that it is 'cleaner' is because it is a smaller tv. much like the sd vs. hd comparison i made above, smaller tvs will seemingly look better because of their smaller screen size. as you move up in screen size keep in mind you need to progressively move back the distance you are away from the screen. a standard formula is 2x the screen size is the distance you need be away from the tv. even a 1080p display will look like junk if you are 2ft from it. so at the same distance, a large tv will seemingly be less sharp then its smaller counterpart. however, in this case, the xbr3 is definitely a better tv.

4.) there arent a whole lot of things you can do about it. some tvs have better built-in tuners (LGs are good for this) and some have horrible ones (see Philips). only thing you can do is make sure you have a strong signal and keep the recommended distance away from the tv. taking the step into HD means losing some of that SD quality. no solid way to get away from it.

5.) depending on your price range, i would recommend the sony or the oppo upconvert player. the sony will run you about $125 and the oppo around $160ish (incl. shipping). The oppo is a better unit but you need to order it online. so if you cant wait, i would suggest the sony. dont expect a HUGE world of difference though. not everyone can tell the difference - some purchase upconvert players just to have the option of watching dvds in 480i, which is their output standard.

6.) you can either go with component, do a dvi-hdmi converter (meaning you purchase an hdmi cable and then put an adapter to switch one end to dvi - keep in mind you will then need to run analog audio cables as well, since the adapter kills the audio transfer capabilities of the HDMI - but i dont recommend with an adelphia box) or trade the box in for an HDMI unit. there isnt a big difference between HDMI and component, so unless you are set on HDMI, component will probably suit you fine. both outputs will get you 1080i.

7.) blue jeans cable or monoprice.

8.) nope, seems you are good. too bad you are stuck with one of those scientific atlanta boxes... bleh.

any other questions, feel free to PM me.
 
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Why the XBR3 over the XBR2? There's a $300 premium and that's the only reason I didn't grab the XBR3. They are identical panels, but if you read in AVSForums, they say that there is some added circuitry in the XBR3 that makes the picture slightly worse. But who knows. I always thought that you can change the bezel of the XBR2 if yo udon't like it and then tack on the $300, but if not, save that $300. Then again the XBR3 does look a lot better.

That said, be prepared for HORRIBLE SD quality. My 46" XBR2 is great and since my monstrous family room means I need something like an 80" to get proper viewing, I can't really notice the problems of SD since I sit so far away. That said, I know there are a lot of panels that do SD TV a lot better.

Anyways, I have a question about upconverting:

What is the point of an upconverting DVD player? It upconverts your DVDs into 1080p or whatever, but then what? Isn't that the same as letting your LCD panel upconvert?

Is upconverting is kinda like plugging my laptop into my computer and playing a DVD through that because my laptop is already outputting 1920x1080, so the XBR2 doesn't do the work?
 

jtvang125

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Most dvd players do a better job of upconverting than the tv. My tv has a native resolution of 1920 x 1080p so anything that is coming in is upconverted by it.
 

PcktRcktsAA

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see answer above - with the right dvd player (see oppo) the upconverting hardware in the dvd player is quite better than the job the tv can do. so better off having the dvd do it instead.

some people cant tell the difference between upconverted images and not, and some dont care. sometimes adding more lines of resolution is worse if the original material wasnt encoded/recorded/mastered very well in the first place. i have done a lot of switching back and forth between resolution modes on my new pioneer elite dvd player, and i can tell there is a bit of difference and i prefer (important word there) the upconverted image.
 

warcrow

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Originally posted by: DLeRium
Why the XBR3 over the XBR2? There's a $300 premium and that's the only reason I didn't grab the XBR3. They are identical panels, but if you read in AVSForums, they say that there is some added circuitry in the XBR3 that makes the picture slightly worse. But who knows. I always thought that you can change the bezel of the XBR2 if yo udon't like it and then tack on the $300, but if not, save that $300. Then again the XBR3 does look a lot better.

That said, be prepared for HORRIBLE SD quality. My 46" XBR2 is great and since my monstrous family room means I need something like an 80" to get proper viewing, I can't really notice the problems of SD since I sit so far away. That said, I know there are a lot of panels that do SD TV a lot better.

Anyways, I have a question about upconverting:

What is the point of an upconverting DVD player? It upconverts your DVDs into 1080p or whatever, but then what? Isn't that the same as letting your LCD panel upconvert?

Is upconverting is kinda like plugging my laptop into my computer and playing a DVD through that because my laptop is already outputting 1920x1080, so the XBR2 doesn't do the work?


You didnt read my post. :p

We got the XBR3 at the cost of the XBR2 because the XBR2 was out of stock. :D