I just love Ubuntu 7.10

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id always managed to do it and still produce games that everyone considered the benchmark of their generation. Sound and input would probably be the most divergent and if you use something like SDL even that can be abstracted away from the platform.

Yep and Id did just that for it's newer games. I don't know if they used SDL for Doom3, but they (well them and raven or whoever) definately did for Quake4 stuff.

SDL is especially good for games. It not only targets Microsoft DirectX, OS X, and Linux, it supports other targets like Playstation 2 and such. It provides a way to do accelerated graphics, 3D acceleration, media, surround sound, and input/output and is much more easier to work with then DirectX or anything else.

Unreal Tournament 2004 uses SDL exclusively for their Linux stuff. The port was done to Linux by a single person on his spare time. He took the windows code, tried to compile it with gcc and fixed the bugs that cropped up until it compiled cleanly. That's what he had to do for 90% of the port. He did that for essentially free and it ended up netting people that made UT a huge contract with a Japanese arcade gaming company because they built their arcades on and around Linux. Essentially it was free money.

Doom3/Quake4 uses OpenGL for graphics and SDL for everything else. Everything is cross platform and it can target OS X, Windows or Linux without a huge amount of work.


It's a little thing called 'Standards'. OS X supports them, Linux supports them, Microsoft abuses them. Except for the 2D GUI code for front-ends programming for OS X and Linux is essentially the same, especially when it comes to games.

Other stuff for Linux and OS X is fairly easy.. For example they both can use X Windows. They both use CUPS for printing. They both support POSIX standards. They both are compiled, and the majority of their application code is compiled, with GNU utilities and GCC. Once you done most of the work of supporting either Linux or OS X the only remaining expense is adapting UI to each other.. which if you did your application correctly shouldn't be a big deal.
 

yuchai

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I am currently running 7.04. What are the chances that a straight upgrade to 7.10 will work without issue?
 

xSauronx

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Originally posted by: yuchai
I am currently running 7.04. What are the chances that a straight upgrade to 7.10 will work without issue?

i did it and it worked just fine.
this is on a thinkpad t40
 

evident

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serious question here

thinking about putting it on my laptop, but
is it possible to output to a HDTV and run hd movies? and i can also probably forget about using my blu-ray player on my laptop right?
 

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serious question here

Which should probably have gotten it's own thread...

is it possible to output to a HDTV and run hd movies? and i can also probably forget about using my blu-ray player on my laptop right?

It likely depends on what interface you're using to the TV and the drivers you use for the video card. I'm pretty sure the non-free nVidia driver can handle just about all of the outputs on their cards but I'm not sure about other drivers. I would guess that the Blu-Ray drive connects via a standard PATA or SATA port so for data it'll probably work fine but I don't think any of the video players support HDDVD or B-R just yet.
 

rasczak

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Originally posted by: AnthroAndStargate
I wish you could game on it :( And use MS Outlook because I need Calandar/Exchange server.

Otherwise I would switch. Sigh :(

Linux people just dont understand that some of us CANT switch and we cant deal with crappy ports or half working software.

I have been able to run Counter Strike, Source, TF2 and Episode 1,2 on it via Wine. Slightly less fps but otherwise looked great.
 

Minjin

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I've been playing around with Ubuntu 7.10 in vmware and while its a decent, workable operating system, it makes me appreciate XP and Vista even more.
 

rasczak

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Originally posted by: Minjin
I've been playing around with Ubuntu 7.10 in vmware and while its a decent, workable operating system, it makes me appreciate XP and Vista even more.

how so?
 

Cogman

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Originally posted by: Minjin
I've been playing around with Ubuntu 7.10 in vmware and while its a decent, workable operating system, it makes me appreciate XP and Vista even more.

wha? I agree with jpbelauskas, what do you mean? Is it the interface? Speed? or compatibility that you are missing? (or some other thing that you just love about XP)
 

Brazen

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Originally posted by: Cogman
Originally posted by: Minjin
I've been playing around with Ubuntu 7.10 in vmware and while its a decent, workable operating system, it makes me appreciate XP and Vista even more.

wha? I agree with jpbelauskas, what do you mean? Is it the interface? Speed? or compatibility that you are missing? (or some other thing that you just love about XP)

or maybe he's just trolling.
 

Megatomic

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I just migrated to Ubuntu 7.10 completely from XP Pro and so far I'm not missing much, matter of fact I'm loving it. I do everything on my laptop now with Ubuntu that I used to do on it with XP. And the awesome thing that I've noticed is that Ubuntu loaded each and every driver that I needed for my laptop during install. Geforce Go 7400, Conexant HD Audio, Intel wireless, Intel ethernet adapter, and even the media buttons work! Even Vista didn't do that. And Compiz is sweet and enabled by default on my lappie.

My plan for Ubuntu was to get myself unused to windows so that when I get my Macbook in a few months the migration will be easy. Now I am considering NOT getting the Macbook. How weird is that? ;)
 

Minjin

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Originally posted by: Brazen
Originally posted by: Cogman
Originally posted by: Minjin
I've been playing around with Ubuntu 7.10 in vmware and while its a decent, workable operating system, it makes me appreciate XP and Vista even more.

wha? I agree with jpbelauskas, what do you mean? Is it the interface? Speed? or compatibility that you are missing? (or some other thing that you just love about XP)

or maybe he's just trolling.
No, it simply works so much better all around. From configuration to compatibility to all the little features that linux lacks. Its definitely great for free and if I had to starve myself to afford to buy Windows, I would think twice. But I honestly think that if Linux was the status quo, nobody ever paid for operating systems, and some company came out with Windows, people would line up to buy it. And I'm not saying that to get a rise out of someone (i.e. trolling). I'm just saying it because its my opinion and thats what forums are for.
 

Nothinman

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No, it simply works so much better all around.

Only because it's what you're more used to using. I've been forced to use both for quite some time now and Windows is infinitely more frustrating. Sure there are some nice things that it handles well but overall Linux wins handily. Things like the automatically including/loading of drivers for virtually everything I own, package management, logical placement of files and documentation are light years ahead of Windows.

And then there's the list of odd behaviors that just make no sense at all. For example, last week a coworker and I found and bootup a box we found in storage that happened to have Win2K3 and Exchange on it. Since we needed a desktop for this week we were just going to remove Exchange and use the Win2K3 install until we had more time to put XP on it but when we tried to uninstall Exchange it told us that it couldn't contact the domain it was configured for so removal was impossible. If I had to guess I'd say that it probably wanted to move some AD attributes but having attributes around that nothing's using shouldn't hurt so it should be optional and the box it was installed on was the DC for that domain so it should've had no problem contacting it. The other guy ended up coming on in Sat and whiping the box so that it would be usable for tomorrow.
 

Megatomic

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Wow, you can really do some neat stuff with the UI in gnome. I installed emerald and configured a UI similar to OS X. Looks pretty damn slick. :beer: