Siddhartha
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Unless you do their test for exceptional intelligence their tests aren't that hard either. Scored 150 on the 'ultimate IQ test'...
Interesting article for Moonbeam's edification
January 14, 2001
Bush Gets Bad Rap On Intelligence
By Aubrey Immelman
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed ...
-? W. B. Yeats, "The Second Coming"
A week from today, the sun will rise on the second Bush presidency in a generation, in what for some may be a day of trepidation. Does Bush the Younger have what it takes to lead the nation in the new millennium?
It's a question that transcends concerns about George W. Bush's conservatism or a path to power marred by youthful indiscretions. It's not about ideology or character; it's a question of cognitive capacity.
The Spanish physician Juan Huarte in 1575 proposed one of the earliest recorded definitions of intelligence: learning ability, imaginativeness and good judgment. Undoubtedly, the mantle of the modern U.S. presidency imposes a steep learning curve and demands vision, wisdom and discretion.
Equally clear is this: Sheer intellectual brilliance does not cut it in the Oval Office.
In terms of brute brainpower, the smartest postwar presidents were Richard Nixon, a Duke Law School graduate with a reported IQ of 143; Jimmy Carter, who graduated in the top 10 percent of his Naval Academy class; and Rhodes scholar Bill Clinton, a graduate of Georgetown University and Yale Law School. Deeply flawed presidencies all, despite their potential.
In contrast, take high school graduate Harry Truman ? railroad worker, clerk, bookkeeper, farmer, road inspector and small-town postmaster ? or Ronald Reagan, sports announcer and B-list actor with mediocre college credentials.
Despite their intellectual limitations, both achieved substantial political success as president. And, to press home the point, there is Franklin D. Roosevelt, a top-tier president in rankings of historical greatness, whom the late Supreme Court justice Oliver Wendell Holmes branded "a second-rate intellect but a first-class temperament."
Huarte's notion of intelligence comprises a mix of mental acumen and emotional discernment that provides a sound foundation for modern-day presidential success.
To put it bluntly, the president need not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but he does need a full deck of cards. He must be comfortable in his own skin, free of emotional demons, and surround himself with competent people. With apologies to Saturday Night Live's Stuart Smalley, the successful president need not be a towering giant, he just needs to be good enough, smart enough ? and, doggone-it, people must like him.
George W. Bush can be likable and charming. But, as the New York Times pondered in a front-page article on June 19, 2000, "is he smart enough to be president?"
Unlike John F. Kennedy, who obtained an IQ score of 119, or Al Gore, who achieved scores of 133 and 134 on intelligence tests taken at the beginning of his high school freshman and senior years, no IQ data are available for George W. Bush. But we do know that the young Bush registered a score of 1206 on the SAT, the most widely used test of college aptitude. (The more cerebral Al Gore obtained 1355.)
Statistically, Bush's test performance places him in the top 16 percent of prospective college students ? hardly the mark of a dimwit. Of course, the SAT is not designed as an IQ test. But it is highly correlated with general intelligence, to the tune of .80. In plain language, the SAT is two parts a measure of general intelligence and one part a measure of specific scholastic reasoning skills and abilities.
If Bush could score in the top 16 percent of college applicants on the SAT, he would almost certainly rank higher on tests of general intelligence, which are normed with reference to the general population. But even if his rank remained constant at the 84th-percentile level of his SAT score, it would translate to an IQ score of 115.
It's tempting to employ Al Gore's IQ:SAT ratio of 134:1355 as a formula for estimating Bush's probable intelligence quotient ? an exercise in fuzzy statistics that predicts a score of 119. If the number sounds familiar, it's precisely the IQ score attributed to Kennedy, whom Princeton political scientist Fred Greenstein, in "The Presidential Difference," commended as "a quick study, whose wit was an indication of a subtle mind."
As a final clue to Bush's cognitive capacity, consider data from Joseph Matarazzo's leading text on intelligence and the National Longitudinal Survey of Youth: The average IQ is about 105 for high school graduates, 115 for college graduates and 125 for people with advanced professional degrees. With his MBA from Harvard Business School, it's not unreasonable to assume that Bush's IQ surpasses the 115 of the average bachelor's-degree-only college graduate.
George W. Bush has often been underestimated. Almost certainly, he's received a bad rap on the count of cognitive capacity. Indications are that, in the arena of mental ability, Bush is in the same league as John F. Kennedy, who graduated 65th in his high-school class of 110 and, in the words of one biographer, "stumbled through Latin, French, mathematics, and English but made respectable marks in physics and history."
The feisty, sometimes-irreverent Bush's mental acuity may lack a little of the sharpness of his tongue, but plainly it is sharp enough. The real test for the president-elect will be whether he possesses the emotional intelligence ? the triumph of reason over rigidity and restraint over impulse ? to steer the course.
Aubrey Immelman is a political psychologist and an associate professor of psychology at the College of St. Benedict and St. John's University. You may write to him in care of the St. Cloud Times, P.O. Box 768, St. Cloud, MN 56302.
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Further, they have identified 'speech' genes that give some people exceptionally good oration skills while leaving others 'orationally' challenged. The gene doesn't affect intellect or intelligence. Several authors of distinguished intellect have in various ways admitted that, if they had to speak for a living vs. write, they'd be a pauper.
January 14, 2001
Bush Gets Bad Rap On Intelligence
By Aubrey Immelman
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed ...
-? W. B. Yeats, "The Second Coming"
A week from today, the sun will rise on the second Bush presidency in a generation, in what for some may be a day of trepidation. Does Bush the Younger have what it takes to lead the nation in the new millennium?
It's a question that transcends concerns about George W. Bush's conservatism or a path to power marred by youthful indiscretions. It's not about ideology or character; it's a question of cognitive capacity.
The Spanish physician Juan Huarte in 1575 proposed one of the earliest recorded definitions of intelligence: learning ability, imaginativeness and good judgment. Undoubtedly, the mantle of the modern U.S. presidency imposes a steep learning curve and demands vision, wisdom and discretion.
Equally clear is this: Sheer intellectual brilliance does not cut it in the Oval Office.
In terms of brute brainpower, the smartest postwar presidents were Richard Nixon, a Duke Law School graduate with a reported IQ of 143; Jimmy Carter, who graduated in the top 10 percent of his Naval Academy class; and Rhodes scholar Bill Clinton, a graduate of Georgetown University and Yale Law School. Deeply flawed presidencies all, despite their potential.
In contrast, take high school graduate Harry Truman ? railroad worker, clerk, bookkeeper, farmer, road inspector and small-town postmaster ? or Ronald Reagan, sports announcer and B-list actor with mediocre college credentials.
Despite their intellectual limitations, both achieved substantial political success as president. And, to press home the point, there is Franklin D. Roosevelt, a top-tier president in rankings of historical greatness, whom the late Supreme Court justice Oliver Wendell Holmes branded "a second-rate intellect but a first-class temperament."
Huarte's notion of intelligence comprises a mix of mental acumen and emotional discernment that provides a sound foundation for modern-day presidential success.
To put it bluntly, the president need not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but he does need a full deck of cards. He must be comfortable in his own skin, free of emotional demons, and surround himself with competent people. With apologies to Saturday Night Live's Stuart Smalley, the successful president need not be a towering giant, he just needs to be good enough, smart enough ? and, doggone-it, people must like him.
George W. Bush can be likable and charming. But, as the New York Times pondered in a front-page article on June 19, 2000, "is he smart enough to be president?"
Unlike John F. Kennedy, who obtained an IQ score of 119, or Al Gore, who achieved scores of 133 and 134 on intelligence tests taken at the beginning of his high school freshman and senior years, no IQ data are available for George W. Bush. But we do know that the young Bush registered a score of 1206 on the SAT, the most widely used test of college aptitude. (The more cerebral Al Gore obtained 1355.)
Statistically, Bush's test performance places him in the top 16 percent of prospective college students ? hardly the mark of a dimwit. Of course, the SAT is not designed as an IQ test. But it is highly correlated with general intelligence, to the tune of .80. In plain language, the SAT is two parts a measure of general intelligence and one part a measure of specific scholastic reasoning skills and abilities.
If Bush could score in the top 16 percent of college applicants on the SAT, he would almost certainly rank higher on tests of general intelligence, which are normed with reference to the general population. But even if his rank remained constant at the 84th-percentile level of his SAT score, it would translate to an IQ score of 115.
It's tempting to employ Al Gore's IQ:SAT ratio of 134:1355 as a formula for estimating Bush's probable intelligence quotient ? an exercise in fuzzy statistics that predicts a score of 119. If the number sounds familiar, it's precisely the IQ score attributed to Kennedy, whom Princeton political scientist Fred Greenstein, in "The Presidential Difference," commended as "a quick study, whose wit was an indication of a subtle mind."
As a final clue to Bush's cognitive capacity, consider data from Joseph Matarazzo's leading text on intelligence and the National Longitudinal Survey of Youth: The average IQ is about 105 for high school graduates, 115 for college graduates and 125 for people with advanced professional degrees. With his MBA from Harvard Business School, it's not unreasonable to assume that Bush's IQ surpasses the 115 of the average bachelor's-degree-only college graduate.
George W. Bush has often been underestimated. Almost certainly, he's received a bad rap on the count of cognitive capacity. Indications are that, in the arena of mental ability, Bush is in the same league as John F. Kennedy, who graduated 65th in his high-school class of 110 and, in the words of one biographer, "stumbled through Latin, French, mathematics, and English but made respectable marks in physics and history."
The feisty, sometimes-irreverent Bush's mental acuity may lack a little of the sharpness of his tongue, but plainly it is sharp enough. The real test for the president-elect will be whether he possesses the emotional intelligence ? the triumph of reason over rigidity and restraint over impulse ? to steer the course.
Aubrey Immelman is a political psychologist and an associate professor of psychology at the College of St. Benedict and St. John's University. You may write to him in care of the St. Cloud Times, P.O. Box 768, St. Cloud, MN 56302.
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Further, they have identified 'speech' genes that give some people exceptionally good oration skills while leaving others 'orationally' challenged. The gene doesn't affect intellect or intelligence. Several authors of distinguished intellect have in various ways admitted that, if they had to speak for a living vs. write, they'd be a pauper.
according to emode.com, i'm a "visionary philosopher." so that's what i should try to get an internship for, not some silly governmental relations thing with merrill lynch.
You know what's so unfvckingbelievable? 99% of the people here at Anand post higher IQ scores than the
smartest president. YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS? The United States of America is looking for leaders in all the wrong
places. All this time, the solution to all of our nations problem is right here in Anand Off-Topic forums.
smartest president. YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS? The United States of America is looking for leaders in all the wrong
places. All this time, the solution to all of our nations problem is right here in Anand Off-Topic forums.
US Presidency isn't about intelligence, it's about money and having friends in the right places.
And besides, IQ tests don't say sh!t, it's just a matter of being able to think the same way as the person who wrote the test. I've posted the actual message you got when mentioning the score on tests like that, so people could verify it if they got the same score. (Think it was the High IQ society test which said 'Above end 150'?)
There were several people with that score, it's only a matter of thinking in the right way. Hardest were the non-standard English words, as English isn't my primary language I had to gamble on one of those. Gambled correctly though it seems
That's not unbelievable, my IQ is like 279. I would prove it by taking the most difficult questions on earth, but I have no time to deal in the realm of mere mortals. I am currently communicating telepathically with extraterrestrial worlds and they keep me pretty busy.
So, no, given this information, I'm not at all surprised that a good 99% of AT'ers report of extraordinary IQ's.
Chaotic42
Lifer
- Jun 15, 2001
- 34,546
- 1,709
- 126
Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
There were several people with that score, it's only a matter of thinking in the right way. Hardest were the non-standard English words, as English isn't my primary language I had to gamble on one of those. Gambled correctly though it seems
Is this the one where the first question is "Determine the pattern and fill in the coordinates of the next item in the pattern"?
Also the one where you have to determine the value of "Feynman" given other letter's numerical values?
If so, I'm calling BS on more than a handful here getting 150!
Originally posted by: tcsenter
That's not unbelievable, my IQ is like 279. I would prove it by taking the most difficult questions on earth, but I have no time to deal in the realm of mere mortals. I am currently communicating telepathically with extraterrestrial worlds and they keep me pretty busy.
So, no, given this information, I'm not at all surprised that a good 99% of AT'ers report of extraordinary IQ's.
Try the test for exceptional intelligence without writing it down or calculating it on a computer, that is one test I've postponed so far for the simple reason that it will take many hours to do. (Rather spend my time playing Warcraft so far
)Originally posted by: Chaotic42
Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
There were several people with that score, it's only a matter of thinking in the right way. Hardest were the non-standard English words, as English isn't my primary language I had to gamble on one of those. Gambled correctly though it seems
Is this the one where the first question is "Determine the pattern and fill in the coordinates of the next item in the pattern"?
Also the one where you have to determine the value of "Feynman" given other letter's numerical values?
If so, I'm calling BS on more than a handful here getting 150!
No, that's the test for exceptional intelligence, the 'ultimate IQ test' is just another multiple choice IQ test.
Edit: And the Feynman problem is just a matter of making a huge equation to figure out the letters one by one, which is why I said it will be hard without paper or computer. You need a good memory for it that way, but if you write it down it becomes simple.
Edit 2: At the end of the Ultimate test it tells you to try the exceptional one if your score was above 140.
It's always fun to see people claim scores higher than the highest the test allows, there is almost always someone who tries it.
got 136 here.. seems to be a popular number
anyways, i think it's grape, because everything else grows on trees, but grapes grow on a vine
anyways, i think it's grape, because everything else grows on trees, but grapes grow on a vine
The IQ test for those of non-mortal intelligence would obviously go beyond that which mortals take, but you could not know that now could you? I have predicted your next response with a 98% confidence interval so give it up, buster!
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