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Glpster

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Spare me the PC nonsense. Try playing the "intolerance" card on someone who gives a rat's ass.

People that are different are fine. People that are handicapped are fine. People that decide that they want to change sexes by giving themselves injections of artificial hormones, have surgery to remove their sexual organs and try to transform themselves by artificial means is not fine.

Your argument is weak. I'd have no problem working around someone who was born with 6 fingers. But I wouldn't really want to work around a guy who decided to get an extra finger surgically attached because he thought it was a "good idea". Also, I'd have no problem working around a woman. But I wouldn't want to work around a woman who is actually a man. I'd also have no problem working around a black guy. But if the black guy is really a white guy who got pigment injections, I'd think that is weird.

To make it easy to understand, what you're born looking like is fine. But getting medical procedures done to become something that you're not indicates that you have a few screws loose in your head.

What about people who lay on the beach all day or sit in tanning booths to get darker? Do you shy away from working around them too?

What about people (like myself) who FLY!!!!! In big, much heavier than air, metal tubes. OMG! What could be more freakish than that!!

Or all those freaks (not unlike myself also) who WEAR CLOTHES!!!! (Yes, it's true, I was born NAKED!)

Or glasses? Or contacts?

Or braces? I REALLY hate working around THOSE freaks. Live with the teeth you are born with, I like to say.

Or who CLIP their finger nails and CUT their hair!!!

Or darken or bleach their skin because they have vitaligo?

Or take antidepressants? Or have their snoring surgically remidied?

Or have their acid reflux surgically remedied. That causes ME no end to mental anguish, but hey that's the way I was born. Clearly GOD wanted me to live with the pain of frequent and persistant heart burn.

Well.... ?

 

nakedfrog

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Spare me the PC nonsense. Try playing the "intolerance" card on someone who gives a rat's ass.

People that are different are fine. People that are handicapped are fine. People that decide that they want to change sexes by giving themselves injections of artificial hormones, have surgery to remove their sexual organs and try to transform themselves by artificial means is not fine.

Your argument is weak. I'd have no problem working around someone who was born with 6 fingers. But I wouldn't really want to work around a guy who decided to get an extra finger surgically attached because he thought it was a "good idea". Also, I'd have no problem working around a woman. But I wouldn't want to work around a woman who is actually a man. I'd also have no problem working around a black guy. But if the black guy is really a white guy who got pigment injections, I'd think that is weird.

To make it easy to understand, what you're born looking like is fine. But getting medical procedures done to become something that you're not indicates that you have a few screws loose in your head.

"People that are different are fine"?
Oh, I'll say that one of us has a weak argument. What you're saying is that most people who get cosmetic surgery are not sane. No one is forcing you to tolerate these people living their lives in the way that they choose (which doesn't actually harm you in any way).
As long as they're born in a visibly different way, you're fine with them.
How do you feel about people who are born with defects, and choose to have cosmetic surgery to rectify their appearance, and look like everyone else? Do they have a few screws loose too?
 

91TTZ

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Jan 31, 2005
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Originally posted by: Amused

I'm 37.

I'm far from liberal.

I despise PC nonsense.

However, this is not a PC issue, but one of intelligence and knowledge.

I'm sorry to hear that your mind stopped maturing while your body continued. You sound like a total dork. I bet you're a tough guy on the internet. Armed with that keyboard, you are a formidable foe.

I find it funny how some people get so worked up by words they read on the internet. People get geniunely mad. I make lighthearted comments and someone gets worked up. It's funny. Freak.

 

Amused

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: PingSpike

You are not required to have sex with a gay man in order to not be bothered by his existence. The same goes for transexuals, fat women, goats, etc.

Hypocrisy Connection Fail: Apples and Oranges Logic Error.

You sound so young. How old are you? It seems that every high school or college aged kid on here spews out what they learned in yesterday's class, yet they have no idea what they're talking about.

And what you might find interesting is that gay people don't bother me. But people who get surgery on themselves to change their sex is a freak in my book. It is not natural. Homosexuality happens to people in nature. It is a natural occurrance. But nobody has ever changed sex mid-life in nature. It's just not meant to be.

Quit with the age thing. You've been owned.

Nobody ever fixed a cleft pallet or club foot in nature either. Does that mean we shouldn't do it surgically?

By your yet again fusked up logic, we should make all people with birth deformities suffer through life with them.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Amused

I'm 37.

I'm far from liberal.

I despise PC nonsense.

However, this is not a PC issue, but one of intelligence and knowledge.

I'm sorry to hear that your mind stopped maturing while your body continued. You sound like a total dork. I bet you're a tough guy on the internet. Armed with that keyboard, you are a formidable foe.

I find it funny how some people get so worked up by words they read on the internet. People get geniunely mad. I make lighthearted comments and someone gets worked up. It's funny. Freak.

Nice. You run out of any argument at all, so you resort to insults. :roll:

I'll match my maturity to yours any day of the week. This thread alone shows you have none at all.
 

Cleaner

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I for one welcome our new male..errr...female...errr...overlords...eerrrrr...overladies....fsk it.
 

MrChad

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: PingSpike

You are not required to have sex with a gay man in order to not be bothered by his existence. The same goes for transexuals, fat women, goats, etc.

Hypocrisy Connection Fail: Apples and Oranges Logic Error.

You sound so young. How old are you? It seems that every high school or college aged kid on here spews out what they learned in yesterday's class, yet they have no idea what they're talking about.

And what you might find interesting is that gay people don't bother me. But people who get surgery on themselves to change their sex is a freak in my book. It is not natural. Homosexuality happens to people in nature. It is a natural occurrance. But nobody has ever changed sex mid-life in nature. It's just not meant to be.

Human sexual identity is much more complex than anything we've observed in other species (to my knowledge). We are talking about people whose internal sexual identity (caused by genetics, hormones, etc.) does not match their external sexual identity. This IS a natural occurrence, just like homosexuality. Modern medical science allows these people to "correct" their external identities, not unlike some other cosmetic surgeries.
 

91TTZ

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Glpster
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What about people who lay on the beach all day or sit in tanning booths to get darker? Do you shy away from working around them too?

What about people (like myself) who FLY!!!!! In big, much heavier than air, metal tubes. OMG! What could be more freakish than that!!

Or all those freaks (not unlike myself also) who WEAR CLOTHES!!!! (Yes, it's true, I was born NAKED!)

Do you have any more strawman arguments that you want to throw my way or are you done?

Comparing a person who wears clothes to a person who injects themselves with female hormones and gets surgery to change their sex. Brilliant.

 

jjones

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Wow, I've had some weird sh!t happen at the offices I've worked in but nothing like that. I've never really thought about it but I guess it happens every now and again. :beer: to him/her for having the guts to address the issue in a professional way.
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: Amused

Nobody ever fixed a cleft pallet or club foot in nature either. Does that mean we shouldn't do it surgically?

By your yet again fusked up logic, we should make all people with birth deformities suffer through life with them.

lol, listen to you getting all worked up. Did I strike a chord?

I'm sorry to hear that, Mr. Delicate Butterfly.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Amused

Nobody ever fixed a cleft pallet or club foot in nature either. Does that mean we shouldn't do it surgically?

By your yet again fusked up logic, we should make all people with birth deformities suffer through life with them.

lol, listen to you getting all worked up. Did I strike a chord?

I'm sorry to hear that, Mr. Delicate Butterfly.

Hmmm, more insults, less argument.

Go figure.
 

nakedfrog

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Apr 3, 2001
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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Amused

Nobody ever fixed a cleft pallet or club foot in nature either. Does that mean we shouldn't do it surgically?

By your yet again fusked up logic, we should make all people with birth deformities suffer through life with them.

lol, listen to you getting all worked up. Did I strike a chord?

I'm sorry to hear that, Mr. Delicate Butterfly.

Thank you for proving which one of us has a weak argument. :beer:
 

Amused

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Apr 14, 2001
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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Glpster
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What about people who lay on the beach all day or sit in tanning booths to get darker? Do you shy away from working around them too?

What about people (like myself) who FLY!!!!! In big, much heavier than air, metal tubes. OMG! What could be more freakish than that!!

Or all those freaks (not unlike myself also) who WEAR CLOTHES!!!! (Yes, it's true, I was born NAKED!)

Do you have any more strawman arguments that you want to throw my way or are you done?

Comparing a person who wears clothes to a person who injects themselves with female hormones and gets surgery to change their sex. Brilliant.

Those aren't strawmen arguments. They are analogies made to show the ignorance of your "it's unnatural" argument.
 

myusername

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
lol, listen to you getting all worked up. Did I strike a chord?
I'm sorry to hear that, Mr. Delicate Butterfly.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that Amused is conservative enough that he wouldn't have taken this position without having had to deal with a family member or close friend with an affliction. Q.E.D. you are skating on very thin ice.
 

myusername

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Originally posted by: MrChad
Do yourself a favor and watch Ma Vie En Rose. It's an excellent film about a small boy who grows up but feels like he should be a girl.

Awesome film! Managed to touch on some significant issues while still maintaining a light hearted feel and have a happy ending :)
 

jjones

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Amused

Nobody ever fixed a cleft pallet or club foot in nature either. Does that mean we shouldn't do it surgically?

By your yet again fusked up logic, we should make all people with birth deformities suffer through life with them.

lol, listen to you getting all worked up. Did I strike a chord?

I'm sorry to hear that, Mr. Delicate Butterfly.
You really are a tard. Everything that you accuse Amused of being is exactly what you portray in yourself by your posts.

Immature
Getting worked up
Being a dork
Being a tough guy on the Internet
etc.

Quit before you get further behind or reveal how completely retarded you really are.

 

91TTZ

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Amused

I'll match my maturity to yours any day of the week.

Wow.

An internet challenge. This sounds serious.

Would you also like to have a penis-measuring contest? Can your daddy beat up my daddy, too?

Please- please don't intimidate me, Mr. Big Tough Internet Man.

 

Amused

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Apr 14, 2001
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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Amused

I'll match my maturity to yours any day of the week.

Wow.

An internet challenge. This sounds serious.

Would you also like to have a penis-measuring contest? Can your daddy beat up my daddy, too?

Please- please don't intimidate me, Mr. Big Tough Internet Man.

Too late. You lose. Thanks for playing.
 

Glpster

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Jan 14, 2005
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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Glpster
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What about people who lay on the beach all day or sit in tanning booths to get darker? Do you shy away from working around them too?

What about people (like myself) who FLY!!!!! In big, much heavier than air, metal tubes. OMG! What could be more freakish than that!!

Or all those freaks (not unlike myself also) who WEAR CLOTHES!!!! (Yes, it's true, I was born NAKED!)

Do you have any more strawman arguments that you want to throw my way or are you done?

Comparing a person who wears clothes to a person who injects themselves with female hormones and gets surgery to change their sex. Brilliant.

Ha!! None of those are strawman arguments. They are all examples of the very "unnatural" things that we primates, HomoSapien Sapiens, do everyday.

Wearing clothing is quite unnatural. Just look to your book of Genesis, if that's the route you prefer to take.

 

PingSpike

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: PingSpike

You are not required to have sex with a gay man in order to not be bothered by his existence. The same goes for transexuals, fat women, goats, etc.

Hypocrisy Connection Fail: Apples and Oranges Logic Error.

You sound so young. How old are you? It seems that every high school or college aged kid on here spews out what they learned in yesterday's class, yet they have no idea what they're talking about.

And what you might find interesting is that gay people don't bother me. But people who get surgery on themselves to change their sex is a freak in my book. It is not natural. Homosexuality happens to people in nature. It is a natural occurrance. But nobody has ever changed sex mid-life in nature. It's just not meant to be.

Were unable to defeat Amused in a battle of wits so you'd thought you take on the guy who makes poop jokes instead?

I couldn't fricking understand transexuals either until about last year. I couldn't understand why some one would put themselves through such horrible surgery and turmoil...wouldn't it be easier to just work with what you had?

Then I watched a couple interested shows about them that sort of changed my view. Dissections of their brains revealed they had more in common with the opposite sex. All it takes is a burst of hormones at the wrong time. There are women who are genetically men you know?

Sorry, but I'm not some victim of a vaste conspiracy to...stop people from hating eachother (?) or something?

When the sum of the parts adds up to something different than what I expect it to be, I eat my crow and change my mind. A wise man knows that he does not know everything and looks at both sides, before allowing logic to prevail.

If you had a point, it would be easy to make and you would have done so...instead you appear to be reduced to parroting, character assassination and victim mentality.
 

91TTZ

Lifer
Jan 31, 2005
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Originally posted by: myusername

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that Amused is conservative enough that he wouldn't have taken this position without having had to deal with a family member or close friend with an affliction. Q.E.D. you are skating on very thin ice.

The reason I that I gave up trying to be rational with him is that he sounds a little too emotional about the subject. If someone wanted to have a civilized discussion with me I'd be willing to listen. But when someone has an obvious emotional attachment to the subject, not much reasoning can take place.

That's the problem with having discussions on the Internet. Most people don't care enough to want to partake in the discussion. The ones that are very enthusiastic about it are those with something at stake- they are often very emotional and not very rational.

 

91TTZ

Lifer
Jan 31, 2005
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Originally posted by: Glpster

Ha!! None of those are strawman arguments. They are all examples of the very "unnatural" things that we primates, HomoSapien Sapiens, do everyday.

Wearing clothing is quite unnatural. Just look to your book of Genesis, if that's the route you prefer to take.

I think you're missing the level of extremity in this case. Moderation is key. I think you're blurring the issue too much. Wearing clothes is not extreme. Shooting yourself up with hormones to change your sex is quite extreme. I lift weights, but I wouldn't use steroids. I do want to get bigger but I have to draw the line somewhere. Changing my body's chemistry through artifical means just seems like it would be going way too far.

Also, I am not religious at all.

 

jjones

Lifer
Oct 9, 2001
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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: myusername

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that Amused is conservative enough that he wouldn't have taken this position without having had to deal with a family member or close friend with an affliction. Q.E.D. you are skating on very thin ice.

The reason I that I gave up trying to be rational with him is that he sounds a little too emotional about the subject. If someone wanted to have a civilized discussion with me I'd be willing to listen. But when someone has an obvious emotional attachment to the subject, not much reasoning can take place.

That's the problem with having discussions on the Internet. Most people don't care enough to want to partake in the discussion. The ones that are very enthusiastic about it are those with something at stake- they are often very emotional and not very rational.
I think you're reading too much into Amused's posts. He's about as rational and objective a conversationalist as you'll find on these boards. If you compare his posts to the ones you've written, you find much less emotion attached to Amused's posts. I think you're reading some of your own emotion over this issue into his posts.
 

shilala

Lifer
Oct 5, 2004
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Originally posted by: MrChad
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: PingSpike

You are not required to have sex with a gay man in order to not be bothered by his existence. The same goes for transexuals, fat women, goats, etc.

Hypocrisy Connection Fail: Apples and Oranges Logic Error.

You sound so young. How old are you? It seems that every high school or college aged kid on here spews out what they learned in yesterday's class, yet they have no idea what they're talking about.

And what you might find interesting is that gay people don't bother me. But people who get surgery on themselves to change their sex is a freak in my book. It is not natural. Homosexuality happens to people in nature. It is a natural occurrance. But nobody has ever changed sex mid-life in nature. It's just not meant to be.

Human sexual identity is much more complex than anything we've observed in other species (to my knowledge). We are talking about people whose internal sexual identity (caused by genetics, hormones, etc.) does not match their external sexual identity. This IS a natural occurrence, just like homosexuality. Modern medical science allows these people to "correct" their external identities, not unlike some other cosmetic surgeries.

I can buy that argument to an extent.
There still stands the "bicurious" phenomena. The "I think I'll give this two way street thing a try". In many cases, homosexuality is a conscious decision rather than a natural born instinct. Either that, or there are certain "levels" that exist naturally between homosexual and heterosexual.
People are who they are. To me, deciding whether I'm going to like or dislike a person based on their sexual preference is just plain short sighted.
If my best bud wakes up tomorrow and says "Ya know, I think I'm gonna suck a dick today", it no more changes the validity of our friendship than if he says "Ya know, I think I'm gonna buy a Toyota today".
As a matter of fact, I'd be more upset about the Toyota.
In the end, It's none of my business whether he sucks that dick or buys that Toyota. It's his life and he's got the right to live it however he sees fit, whether I like it or not.