I just found out how easy it is to use other people's account number to pay for stuff..

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apoppin

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Originally posted by: Sphexi
This type of payment is only available for certain services. You can't use it to take cash out of the bank or anything like that. Once it's noticed you've obviously paid for some service, and that service is attatched to your name and address, otherwise they can't accept the payment. It's nearly impossible to get away with that kind of fraud.
nonsense

if the thief is using [another] stolen identity he may NEVER get caught. ;)

it's a real banking MESS and if it happens to you - you are screwed [at least temporarily] and it WILL cost you. :p
:shocked:

 

dxkj

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Originally posted by: z0mb13
Originally posted by: MoPHo
is that illegal?

Duh? of course.

what problems me is they dont put more effort in preventing fraud

Are you joking? Or just that silly?

I would notice an extra 1k on my bank account missing, track it within a few days, and have you forced to refund it..
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: dxkj
Originally posted by: z0mb13
Originally posted by: MoPHo
is that illegal?

Duh? of course.

what problems me is they dont put more effort in preventing fraud

Are you joking? Or just that silly?

I would notice an extra 1k on my bank account missing, track it within a few days, and have you forced to refund it..

it is not as "easy" as you make it out to be
:thumbsdown:
 

cavemanmoron

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Originally posted by: tk149
Yes and no.

Yes, the funds will be debited from the account you choose.

No, as soon as the owner of said account finds out about this mysterious debit, they'll stop the payment, and the bank will take the funds back.

Yes, this is considered stealing and you will end up in front of a judge.

This is why you NEVER give your account number to anyone who might steal. If you get tricked into revealing it, call your bank and switch account numbers.

:(
 

FoBoT

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Apr 30, 2001
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yeah, most people don't realize the info on a check is all the info you need to access a checking account

YAGR to use a couple different accounts to recieve DD and pay bills and stuff like that, don't keep all your eggs in one basket etc, etc
 

Illusio

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about 2 weeks ago I had $100 withdrawn from one of my checking accounts. Some place called "Testing and Career ACH"

I had never heard of the place, I called up my back and had them put an inquiry into it. Got the money back yesterday. Woot!
 

tk149

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Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: tk149
Yes and no.

Yes, the funds will be debited from the account you choose.

No, as soon as the owner of said account finds out about this mysterious debit, they'll stop the payment, and the bank will take the funds back.

Yes, this is considered stealing and you will end up in front of a judge.

This is why you NEVER give your account number to anyone who might steal. If you get tricked into revealing it, call your bank and switch account numbers.

IF you give a check to ANYONE - your babysitter, the paperboy, a store clerk - then they have ALL the info they need to commit fraud - the account is there with the routing number - printed on the check.

If you have - say $3,000 in you checking account [count your "ready reserve" overdraft protection] - ANYONE with your check info can commit FRAUD [in YOUR name].

Sure they may EVENTUALLY be caught . . . but you will be out $3,000 for a LONG time while the bank sorts it out {and will bounce your OWN checks if your account is overdrawn}.

This is a really STUPID screwup on banking's part that need to be addressed IMMEDIATELY!
Feel free to contact your Congressman. It's Federal rules, not the banks.

And don't give out checks to anyone you don't trust. Your best protection is to monitor your account frequently.
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: tk149
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: tk149
Yes and no.

Yes, the funds will be debited from the account you choose.

No, as soon as the owner of said account finds out about this mysterious debit, they'll stop the payment, and the bank will take the funds back.

Yes, this is considered stealing and you will end up in front of a judge.

This is why you NEVER give your account number to anyone who might steal. If you get tricked into revealing it, call your bank and switch account numbers.

IF you give a check to ANYONE - your babysitter, the paperboy, a store clerk - then they have ALL the info they need to commit fraud - the account is there with the routing number - printed on the check.

If you have - say $3,000 in you checking account [count your "ready reserve" overdraft protection] - ANYONE with your check info can commit FRAUD [in YOUR name].

Sure they may EVENTUALLY be caught . . . but you will be out $3,000 for a LONG time while the bank sorts it out {and will bounce your OWN checks if your account is overdrawn}.

This is a really STUPID screwup on banking's part that need to be addressed IMMEDIATELY!
Feel free to contact your Congressman. It's Federal rules, not the banks.

And don't give out checks to anyone you don't trust. Your best protection is to monitor your account frequently.
:thumbsdown:

there is NO pretection
:shocked:

and you can call your OWN congressman (as i only keep enough $$ in checking to pay my bills with only a little "extra"). :p

This EASY check Fraud affects ALL of us
:roll:

from MSNBC news:

Easy check fraud technique draws scrutiny

It would be music to any non-profit organization?s ears: an unexpected $1,000 donation. But the offer came with dirty strings attached, and the surprise donation to California-based Urban Age Institute was hardly a gift at all. Instead, it placed the organization right in the middle of an extensive ? but elegantly simple ? worldwide scam.

Within days, $10,000 worth of checks were written against the non-profit's accounts and cashed by a woman in Georgia. She in turn wired money to Nigeria. The incident left the organization's leaders wondering: Is it that easy to raid anyone's checking account? The answer, according to banking experts interviewed for this story, is yes.

Armed with just a checking account number and bank routing number, criminals can create checks at whim, experts and law enforcement authorities say. In fact, as the Urban Age Institute found out, at least one Internet site makes the process even easier. All the fraudulent checks drawn on the organization's checking account were printed and mailed by Qchex.com, a Web site whose stated aims are to make sending and e-mailing check payments easy for anyone connected to the Internet.

"The scope of the problem is potentially breathtaking," said Mary McNamara, who helps run the Urban Age Institute with her husband Gordon Feller.

At Qchex.com, users who sign up to print checks must provide only a working e-mail address. No other attempt is made to verify their identity. In fact, the site urges people to register their checking accounts at Qchex before someone else does.


James Danforth, chief operating officer of Neovi Data Corp., which owns Qchex.com, said that while some fraud has occurred at the site, it is no more common than fraud at other Internet payment services such as eBay's PayPal. Qchex is largely used by legitimate businesses looking for a low-cost way to send money and make payments, he said.

The demand-draft dilemma
At the center of the controversy is a little-known system for cashing checks called demand drafts. Most consumers presume that checks must be signed by an authorized account holder. That's ordinarily true, but not in the case of so-called "demand drafts." These look just like checks, but indicate "signature not required" or a similar message in the authorized signature area. And generally, banks cash them just like valid, signed checks.

Demand drafts were designed to accommodate legitimate telemarketers who receive authorization from consumers to take money out of their checking accounts. But the potential for abuse is high. Not only do they not require a signature, but they require no action by the checking account holder.

What's needed to create a demand draft? Simply the account number and bank routing number ? information found on every single check. Write a check to your 12-year-old babysitter, and she has all the information she would need to clean out your account.

Demand drafts, also known as "remotely created checks," have become such an attractive target for criminals of late that the Federal Reserve in February proposed a new set of rules to govern them
. And the National Association of Attorneys General last month called on the Fed to place an outright ban on demand drafts, citing increased fraud.

"The fact that a stranger can pull money out of a person's bank account using only the numbers at the bottom of his or her check is not commonly understood," the group wrote to the Fed, commenting on the proposed rules change. "Complaints about unauthorized bank debits are believed to be grossly underreported, perhaps because of the lack of public awareness of this type of bank account vulnerability."

The comment period on the new Fed rule ended May 3. If adopted by the board of governors, the new rules would make demand drafts similar to electronic transfers, giving consumers uniform rights to demand refunds and putting additional burdens on the bank that cashes the check to verify its authenticity
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Plasdom

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that is why you never keep more than you need to spend in the short term in your checking account. Me? I keep everything in my savings. Buy using a credit card, then transfer the balance amount I will be paying to my current account.