I just don't get it. Why would anyone buy a 2800+?

[DerwenArtos12]

Why buy one when you can get a 2500+ for about half the price if you catch a sale and oc it to a 3200+?

 

[WaTaGuMp]

Cause not everyone overclocks. Maybe they should though.

 

[mrgoblin]

You must understand that overclocking is a very foreign and scary concept to the average user. I myself havent ever overclocked a pc because ive only bought oem boxes with hardly any cooling in them and crappy mobos with bad memory (dell). When I finally do have my computer (whenever the 939 pin 64 comes out) i will forray into overclocking as im sure those puppies will run VERY expensive. Im sure I could save almost 400 bucks simply by changing the multiplier and fsb. Im still not too keen on voltages and memory timings but im still learning. Another problem is lack of resources. Who here knows of an article recently made (last 6 months) about overclocking a 2.4c or 2500+ barton that is simple enough for joe blow to understand? Besides, even an average enthusiast doesnt like to hear words fry cpu or less processor life even at a cheaper cost.

 

[Soulkeeper]

some people might think that they could get a better stepping or a higher clocking chip if they got a 2800+ but personally i don't think there is enough tangible speed gain to justify the price difference

i'm happy with my 2500+ that easily does 2.2ghz on about default voltage

 

[pspada]

You're right. I considered a 2800+ to replace my 2700+, but decided to go with a 3000+ instead. Which I am overclocking - but I sell plenty of boxes, and never overclock any of them. I much perfer to have them work forever with no problems.

 

[bjc112]

Originally posted by: pspada
You're right. I considered a 2800+ to replace my 2700+, but decided to go with a 3000+ instead. Which I am overclocking - but I sell plenty of boxes, and never overclock any of them. I much perfer to have them work forever with no problems.

Bah! Most overclocked system work just as well as a non overclocked system... ( common misunderstanding it seems )

However you do lose some life expectancy, but hey, who needs a cpu after 6 months (alright may-b 2 yrs )

 

[Duvie]

I see more use for the 2800+xp since it is clocked equal or near equal the barton 3200+'s whacked pr rating and in some test even can beat it. Lays a smack down on the 3000+ in many test!!!

 

[pspada]

Originally posted by: bjc112

Originally posted by: pspada
You're right. I considered a 2800+ to replace my 2700+, but decided to go with a 3000+ instead. Which I am overclocking - but I sell plenty of boxes, and never overclock any of them. I much perfer to have them work forever with no problems.

Bah! Most overclocked system work just as well as a non overclocked system... ( common misunderstanding it seems )

However you do lose some life expectancy, but hey, who needs a cpu after 6 months (alright may-b 2 yrs )

My clients expect better of me. They need more power, I sell them a faster chip. Besides, if there is a problem, it would be unethical to attempt a warranty return if the equipment has been overclocked.

 

[MDE]

Originally posted by: Duvie
I see more use for the 2800+xp since it is clocked equal or near equal the barton 3200+'s whacked pr rating and in some test even can beat it. Lays a smack down on the 3000+ in many test!!!

Can we see some proof?

Anywho, most people don't even know what overclocking is, and if everyone bought slow chips and overclocked them, AMD, Intel, ATI, Nvidia, and any other CPU\GPU company would go under. The big profit margins are in the faster clocked more expensive chips, and those profits pay for R&D which produce ever faster chips for us to overclock some more .

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: MonkeyDriveExpress

Originally posted by: Duvie
I see more use for the 2800+xp since it is clocked equal or near equal the barton 3200+'s whacked pr rating and in some test even can beat it. Lays a smack down on the 3000+ in many test!!!

Can we see some proof?

Anywho, most people don't even know what overclocking is, and if everyone bought slow chips and overclocked them, AMD, Intel, ATI, Nvidia, and any other CPU\GPU company would go under. The big profit margins are in the faster clocked more expensive chips, and those profits pay for R&D which produce ever faster chips for us to overclock some more .

The 2800+ xp is actually clocked at 2.25ghz while the barton 3200+ is 2.20ghz

2800+xp beats the 3200+ in rendering...

2800+xp ties the 3200+ in Lightwave

2800+xp beats 3000+xp in WMP 9.0

2800+xp betas the 3000+xp in 3dmax5 rendering

2800+xp beats the 3000+ barton in content creation

2800+xp beats the 3000+ in mp3 maker and scores the same score as the 3200+ if you read the following 3200+ review, also beats the 3000+ in mpeg2 encoding and rendering...

2800+xp betas 3000+ in cinema 4d

2800+xp beats the 3000+ in multitasking test

2800+xp beats the 3000+ in mp3 and mpeg4 encoding, content creation, sciencemark test, 3dmax5, lightwave, some autocadd 2002, etc.

This is a conclusion of tomshardware on the 3200+

"The Athlon XP 3200+ has laid claim to the title of "Fastest Desktop CPU." But in reality, though, it is something entirely different: the mighty value champ has degraded into a pusillanimous paper tiger. Although, our testing engineers only found fault with the aggressive model-numbering system.

The benchmark tests, on the other hand, leave no room for doubt: XP 2800+ would have been a more realistic label for the processor, which wouldn't have been a problem for anyone, if AMD still wants to go toe-to-toe with Intel's P4. But the 3200 label is much too aggressive - especially since Intel will be introducing an increased FSB clock for its lower-clocked P4 CPUs. "







Also remember the pr rating of 3000+ versus the 2800+ is approx. a 7% increase in pr rating and we all know things don't scale perfectly but in a lot of the test throughout the p4c3.2review we see the 2800+xp is within 1-3% of the 3200+ chip and that is pretty much pushing neglible. Gaming aside the baton performs but sorry the whole world doesn't revolve around gaming

 

[0roo0roo]

for some people stability is important in mission critical usage. a coder isn't going to care just how fast his pc is if it crashes and he loses precious work.

 

[pakotlar]

Huh, I guess the extra 256k or cache really does help. As for overclocking, It can be a pain in the ass if you don't get a good chip... Believe me i know lol. If my mobo proves to be stable with corsair xms ll ram (because it isn't with 2700 samsung) I will upgrade to a 3200+ as my next cpu. I would rather have my chip default at 2.2 ghz as opposed to 1.83 ghz (just in case oc'ing doesen't go well). This way I'll know I will have a fast chip, even if it doesen't overclock well. That security is worth paying for in my opinion.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: mrgoblin
You must understand that overclocking is a very foreign and scary concept to the average user. I myself havent ever overclocked a pc because ive only bought oem boxes with hardly any cooling in them and crappy mobos with bad memory (dell). When I finally do have my computer (whenever the 939 pin 64 comes out) i will forray into overclocking as im sure those puppies will run VERY expensive. Im sure I could save almost 400 bucks simply by changing the multiplier and fsb. Im still not too keen on voltages and memory timings but im still learning. Another problem is lack of resources. Who here knows of an article recently made (last 6 months) about overclocking a 2.4c or 2500+ barton that is simple enough for joe blow to understand? Besides, even an average enthusiast doesnt like to hear words fry cpu or less processor life even at a cheaper cost.

Heck, there's a good number of consumers out there that wouldn't even have an AMD processor in their PC at all - Intel's good, AMD's bad. That's what they'd been taught.

 

[pspada]

If the client is overwhelmed by Intel marketing and perfers an Intel based system, I am more than willing to build one for them. However I always prepare 2 quotes - on Intel and one AMD, but otherwise the same performance specs. The Intel system is invariably at least several hundred dollars more - and the client almost always goes with the AMD system. But I would not attempt to sell an AMD based system to someone who's primary activity is video encoding.

 

[edmundoab]

yeah I agree that processors like XP2800 are for non-overclockers...
getting the speeds they want from stock and do not have to hassle with FSB or ram settings ... and other head aches..
and of course stability out of the box.

just the same question you asked on why someone wants to get an XP3200+ when you can get a 2500+ to OC to the same speed...

 

[Dustswirl]

What does lower the "life" of our oced cpus? (ie 2500 @ 3200 speeds and more...), high voltages that are sometimes applied (thus generating more heat) and/or the meer ocing act of upping officially non supported FSBs multis (ie 200 Mhz for a 2500 that is made to run @ 166Mhz)?
Personally i think that a 2500 running @ 3200 speeds with stock voltages and good Temps (good HSF) should have the same lifespan as a normal 3200 (or a normal 2800)

or?

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Dustswirl
What does lower the "life" of our oced cpus? (ie 2500 @ 3200 speeds and more...), high voltages that are sometimes applied (thus generating more heat) and/or the meer ocing act of upping officially non supported FSBs multis (ie 200 Mhz for a 2500 that is made to run @ 166Mhz)?
Personally i think that a 2500 running @ 3200 speeds with stock voltages and good Temps (good HSF) should have the same lifespan as a normal 3200 (or a normal 2800)

or?

I agree...I think if you use default vcore and still have a 100% stabl chip with reasonable temps or better then stock HSF could offer I don't see why this can't live a full life. It could very well be a product of high yields by the cpu manufactured and just binned down to meet market demands...

I think this works for both Intel and AMD....

 

[rommelrommel]

More voltage, and more heat in extreme cases, shorten processor life. Actual speed has negligible effect on processor life, ie: changing fsb / multiplier without voltage increases.