I hope these pedophiles burn in hell

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I'm sure the number increases in folds if the decades of history with numbers of victims could actually be known. I'm sure it's been happening forever and they probably have an internal system for how it's supposed to be done, managed and kept hidden. Then of course all the unknown, unreported abuses in recent years on top of that.
 

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The last thing I want is for child molesters to keep doing it but that link looks a little shady because they're stating "credibly accused". WTF is that supposed to be? It's not found guilty so it seems the public court of opinion has already decided.

I know the odds are that many are guilty but I've also read of some horror stories were an innocent person was accused and it destroyed their life even after found innocent later.

I'm just saying that we shouldn't consider this group of people and instead separate those who can be prosecuted and those who look guilty enough to not be allowed around children, as much as possible in the church capacity, to differentiate from those who may be innocent.
 
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The last thing I want is for child molesters to keep doing it but that link looks a little shady because they're stating "credibly accused". WTF is that supposed to be? It's not found guilty so it seems the public court of opinion has already decided.

I know the odds are that many are guilty but I've also read of some horror stories were an innocent person was accused and it destroyed their life even after found innocent later.

I'm just saying that we shouldn't consider this group of people and instead separate those who can be prosecuted and those who look guilty enough to not be allowed around children, as much as possible in the church capacity, to differentiate from those who may be innocent.

Yeah, it's not like the Catholic Church has a long and verified history of child abuse and cover up or anything like that.
 

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^ That's exactly my point, that we should not create a climate where anyone accused is automatically assumed guilty! That's an affront to our justice system.

If you get caught in a bad part of town does that prove you're a crack dealer? It's a very slippery slope to assume something that can destroy someone's life.

Prosecute every single one of them that is within the statute of limitations, and teach children to speak up when something bad happens.
 
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kage69

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Sadly, I'm not surprised. This kind of sick shit is endemic to the church, both the abuse and the cover up/protection given to rapists. Around the world no less, and has been going on forever. How anyone can see any kind of moral authority in this corrupt organization just blows my mind. The world needs to reject these predatory frauds, so I hope their downward trajectory continues.

Like I always say, abstinence makes the church grow fondlers.
 
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Remind me again why the wannabelievers have not stormed the Vatican with torches and pitchforks, burned the place to the ground and salted the Earth so that nothing can grow there again. Oh, right, Catholics don't care about that kind of thing.
 

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^ That's exactly my point, that we should not create a climate where anyone accused is automatically assumed guilty! That's an affront to our justice system.

It you get caught in a bad part of town does that prove you're a crack dealer? It's a very slippery slope to assume something that can destroy someone's life.

Prosecute every single one of them that is within the statute of limitations, and teach children to speak up when something bad happens.

300 accused child rapists, thousands of victims, TWO were able to be charged within the statute of limitations BECAUSE the church has actively covered it up, in ONE state!

When do we start going after the church itself for protecting these pedophiles? If it was NAMBLA or hell even the darling of the right the NRA covering this shit up they'd have been prosecuted decades ago and wouldn't exist in that form today. Freedom of religion doesn't mean you get to actively cover up children being raped, nor protect the rapists from prosecution and in most cases allow the rapists to go on raping children for years or decades.

Now maybe some of them are innocent, let's give it a generous 10%, that means there were "only" 270 child rapists that the church covered up and kept out of jail, all but two permanently.
 
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300 accused child rapists, thousands of victims, TWO were able to be charged within the statute of limitations BECAUSE the church has actively covered it up, in ONE state!

When do we start going after the church itself for protecting these pedophiles?
If it was NAMBLA or hell even the darling of the right the NRA covering this shit up they'd have been prosecuted decades ago and wouldn't exist in that form today. Freedom of religion doesn't mean you get to actively cover up children being raped, nor protect the rapists from prosecution and in most cases allow the rapists to go on raping children for years or decades.

Now maybe some of them are innocent, let's give it a generous 10%, that means there were "only" 270 child rapists that the church covered up and kept out of jail, all but two permanently.
Never because Mooslims are worse /s
 

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I thought “Incorruptible” would be in here bemoaning the taking of romance out of the church.

Cue our resident Trump apologist and personal dicksucker, Starbuck to deflect into "but muslims" or some whataboutism and thread-derailing pedantry for the next couple of pages. Hopefully this time he reads beyond the thread title so he doesn't make himself look like an absolute retard this time around.
 

mikeymikec

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^ That's exactly my point, that we should not create a climate where anyone accused is automatically assumed guilty! That's an affront to our justice system.

It you get caught in a bad part of town does that prove you're a crack dealer? It's a very slippery slope to assume something that can destroy someone's life.

Since nothing like this is happening in Western justice systems to Catholic priests, what the hell are you talking about.

"Credibly accused" very likely means that the accuser's story as far as it can be investigated looks plausible and warrants further investigation (eg. the accuser isn't a crackpot who has say cited the Easter Bunny as a witness to the act), and investigators are seeking more evidence but the Catholic church is hellbent on protecting sexual abusers.

The only slippery slope that AFAIK has happened here is that the Catholic church once let off a sexual abuser and has carried on doing it ever since. What they might once (ie. in decades long past) have been excused for a lack of knowledge of the nature of how most sex offenders operate (though how on earth people who should have a significant insight into what drives people to sin were not at the forefront of such discoveries is a brain-twister for any true believer), they've continued to ignore the evidence and protect themselves and their reputation, which is the direct opposite of what they should have been doing. They've turned their profession of morality to a mockery of anything it might have ever represented, and if there is any assumption that an accused priest is probably guilty (amongst the populace), it's an assumption entirely based on the Catholic church's actions. To the present day, we still have significant figures in the Catholic church basically saying that only God can judge them and their harbouring of sex offenders.

Prosecute every single one of them that is within the statute of limitations

Which is exactly what's happening AFAIK, despite the Catholic church's best efforts to the contrary.
 
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The best thing that we can do is to stay FAR away from these churches. Stop funding them.

Money talks and when the funds stop coming in they'll have to change. We won't do it though, so my point is mute.
 
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The best thing that we can do is to stay FAR away from these churches. Stop funding them.

Money talks and when the funds stop coming in they'll have to change. We won't do it though, so my point is mute.
The bible does say that at the time of the end that there will be a great falling away meaning that the majority of church people will leave the teachings of Jesus hence our current situation.
 

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[QUOTE]“We, the members of this grand jury, need you to hear this,” begins the nearly 900-page report released Tuesday by a grand jury that spent two years investigating reports of sexual abuse in six Pennsylvania dioceses of the Roman Catholic Church over a period of 70 years.

The report, which says there were more than 1,000 identifiable victims and perhaps thousands more, is the broadest examination yet by a government agency in the United States of child sexual abuse in the Catholic Church. Here are some excerpts.[/QUOTE]

This is in my home state of Pennsylvania and from the religion I was born, baptized and confirmed in. I have no other words for this, just mute horror at the lives forever bent out of shape and disgust for the sclerotic old men in vestments who actively allowed this to happen. :( :( :(

There is a reason the Catholic Church and I parted ways after 5th grade, when my parents finally allowed me to go to public school.

At age 30, upon my return from Europe, I spent two months in my boyhood home as I re-established myself. Only then did my Mom tell me that, halfway through my first year in sixth grade at Tome Street elementary school, the principal came to our home to tell my Mom that, before I had even started there, the Mother Superior had called her to warn her that I was a trouble maker. The principal told my Mom that I was really a good kid!
 

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The best thing that we can do is to stay FAR away from these churches. Stop funding them.

Money talks and when the funds stop coming in they'll have to change. We won't do it though, so my point is mute.

No.

The best thing we can do is charge them as RICO corrupt organizations, rip away their tax-exempt status and seize their assets. The best we could do is to make child abuse a crime of higher stature than murder one or treason, make the enablers and those who help conceal the crimes as culpable as those who commit the crimes and change the statute of limitations so that it never expires and victims can go after the priests and the Vatican itself forever.
 
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I never understand why anyone holds any religious views anymore. Things like this just goes to show you that it is all fabricated bullshit to exploit people for their money and to touch little boys.
 
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Mai72

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I never understand why anyone holds any religious views anymore. Things like this just goes to show you that it is all fabricated bullshit to exploit people for their money and to touch little boys.

Yep.

Back many many years ago the Kings and Queens used religion against the poor masses. Doesn't it still hold true today? Look at the people who believe in religion. They are normally poor, or middle class people. The wealthy don't believe in religion that much. I'm generalizing but IMO it holds true.
 
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Mai72

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No.

The best thing we can do is charge them as RICO corrupt organizations, rip away their tax-exempt status and seize their assets. The best we could do is to make child abuse a crime of higher stature than murder one or treason, make the enablers and those who help conceal the crimes as culpable as those who commit the crimes and change the statute of limitations so that it never expires and victims can go after the priests and the Vatican itself forever.

I like your idea better!
 
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I like your idea better!
Same. Probably one of my biggest issues with the conservative party is how they still continue to bring religion into their thoughts, speeches, and narratives. If Democrats lobbied to try and pass a bill to revoke tax exemptions for ALL religions I would vote for them in an instant.
 
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The last thing I want is for child molesters to keep doing it but that link looks a little shady because they're stating "credibly accused". WTF is that supposed to be? It's not found guilty so it seems the public court of opinion has already decided.

I'm going to take a SWAG and assume that means the accusation makes logical sense and was actually possible to have occurred as alleged. For example someone from Philadelphia accusing a priest from Singapore of sexual abuse before they were even born is not credible. Whereas someone from Philadelphia accusing a priest of sexual abuse while that priest was serving at the church the person's family attended when they were a child would be deemed a "credible accusation." Doesn't make it true, just makes it credible.
 
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300 accused child rapists, thousands of victims, TWO were able to be charged within the statute of limitations BECAUSE the church has actively covered it up, in ONE state!

When do we start going after the church itself for protecting these pedophiles? If it was NAMBLA or hell even the darling of the right the NRA covering this shit up they'd have been prosecuted decades ago and wouldn't exist in that form today. Freedom of religion doesn't mean you get to actively cover up children being raped, nor protect the rapists from prosecution and in most cases allow the rapists to go on raping children for years or decades.

Now maybe some of them are innocent, let's give it a generous 10%, that means there were "only" 270 child rapists that the church covered up and kept out of jail, all but two permanently.

The child rapists need to face justice and be locked up in prison. Do you feel the same way about the rape gangs in Rotherham?