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I have to give Pelosi and the dems props for handling Jefferson appropriately

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Polish3d

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Indeed there was a political element in it as they want this guy out of the way because he helped fubar their culture of corruption argument, but nonetheless they could have taken a few approaches on it including trying to minimize the significance, etc etc but they didnt ... and good job to them for it.
 
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Fubar their argument?
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Yeah, they were trying to make "culture of corruption" amongst republicans one of their campaign arguments for voting democratic. Jefferson helped to fubar it

 
I think the repugs did a fine job of cultivating and harvesting their culture of corruption, and yes, Pelosi et al did a respectable thing.
 
I think Frackal is confused. Doing something illegal or unethical and then having your party cover it up or change the rules is what the culture of corruption is about. The repugs have a monopoly on it.
 
Originally posted by: Frackal
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Fubar their argument?
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Yeah, they were trying to make "culture of corruption" amongst republicans one of their campaign arguments for voting democratic. Jefferson helped to fubar it
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Their argument is still that we need to get the corrupt people out of power, Jefferson simply serves to prove that this goes beyond partisanship.
 
Originally posted by: Todd33
I think Frackal is confused. Doing something illegal or unethical and then having your party cover it up or change the rules is what the culture of corruption is about. The repugs have a monopoly on it.
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What?

I am saying that there is a political expediency motivation here for Pelosi and such to handle Jefferson ASAP, because his presence hurts their ability to make the "culture of corruption" argument for voting democratic.

I'm saying that because Jefferson is rather dispensible not being in a leadership position, his being booted off is partly a matter of self interest on the part of democrats, but they also could have handled it several ways, including the all too typical "covering for him, minimizing it, claiming racism/partisanship," etc...

But they didnt. They booted him out and used strong language about the 90k in his freezer and I think they did it right
 
You said he he helped fubar their culture of corruption argument. I'm saying he only helped reinforce their point.
 
NOW he has helped reinforce their point, somewhat, that they have removed him.

But their original argument after Abrahmoff <sp> Cunningham etc was that there was a culture of corruption amongst republicans and these latest incidents diminished that argument somewhat as it showed it occurs on the democrat side as well
 
Originally posted by: Frackal
NOW he has helped reinforce their point, somewhat, that they have removed him.

But their original argument after Abrahmoff <sp> Cunningham etc was that there was a culture of corruption amongst republicans and these latest incidents diminished that argument somewhat as it showed it occurs on the democrat side as well
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Yes, but not at the same levels. Remember, the GOP is in charge and that gives them more opportunities to become corrupt. There's a long list of corruption charges and investigations on the GOP side of the aisle and you can point to a couple on the Dem side?

I'm not excusing anyone here. In my opinion, failure (and this is what Jefferson appears to be) should be punished, not rewarded and definitely not ignored. I only wish that applied equally to the GOP as well as the administration. Accountability means recognizing failure and removing those responsible. And the first step is taking them out of any leadership role until the investigation completes.

Ultimately, the GOP believes in party loyalty before accountability in our gov't.
 
Originally posted by: Todd33
So to summarize, the repugs are neck deep in their own $hit, the dems do something good and remove their own guy and Frackal still spins it into a anti-dem thread. Grats.

Edit: Getting hard to even keep tabs on all the scandals, but this may be a good source.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?ti...tion%27:_Related_SourceWatch_Resources
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Are you INSANE? This is a PRO DEMOCRAT THREAD at least, a "PRO PARTICULAR ACTION IN QUESTION BY DEMS" thread.

Jeez man, what in the fk is going on in your head on this? You must not have correctly understood what I wrote
 
Originally posted by: Todd33
So to summarize, the repugs are neck deep in their own $hit, the dems do something good and remove their own guy and Frackal still spins it into a anti-dem thread. Grats.

Edit: Getting hard to even keep tabs on all the scandals, but this may be a good source.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?ti...tion%27:_Related_SourceWatch_Resources
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What? I think you're reading this entirely wrong. It looks like he's giving props to the Dems for removing Jefferson.

And it does occur in the democrat side as well... but hopefully this will show that if and when it does happen, they at least won't put up with it and does what is needed.

The republicans put Bush in office on 'putting back some respect and morality' into the presidency... maybe the democrats can do the same for the House and Senate.
 
Originally posted by: Looney
Originally posted by: Todd33
So to summarize, the repugs are neck deep in their own $hit, the dems do something good and remove their own guy and Frackal still spins it into a anti-dem thread. Grats.

Edit: Getting hard to even keep tabs on all the scandals, but this may be a good source.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?ti...tion%27:_Related_SourceWatch_Resources
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What? I think you're reading this entirely wrong. It looks like he's giving props to the Dems for removing Jefferson.

And it does occur in the democrat side as well... but hopefully this will show that if and when it does happen, they at least won't put up with it and does what is needed.

The republicans put Bush in office on 'putting back some respect and morality' into the presidency... maybe the democrats can do the same for the House and Senate.
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Just out of curiosity how do you restore respect and morality to the Presidency by putting in a moron who commits war crimes by attacking another country that does not pose an imminent threat?
 
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: Looney
Originally posted by: Todd33
So to summarize, the repugs are neck deep in their own $hit, the dems do something good and remove their own guy and Frackal still spins it into a anti-dem thread. Grats.

Edit: Getting hard to even keep tabs on all the scandals, but this may be a good source.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?ti...tion%27:_Related_SourceWatch_Resources
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What? I think you're reading this entirely wrong. It looks like he's giving props to the Dems for removing Jefferson.

And it does occur in the democrat side as well... but hopefully this will show that if and when it does happen, they at least won't put up with it and does what is needed.

The republicans put Bush in office on 'putting back some respect and morality' into the presidency... maybe the democrats can do the same for the House and Senate.
Click to expand...

Just out of curiosity how do you restore respect and morality to the Presidency by putting in a moron who commits war crimes by attacking another country that does not pose an imminent threat?
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Hey, i didn't say they succeeded! I'm just saying that's what the Republicans ran with in the 2000 election!
 
seemed a bit hasty since the man hasn't even been indited yet.
Probably just want to bury him before the elections.
 
Originally posted by: Looney
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: Looney
Originally posted by: Todd33
So to summarize, the repugs are neck deep in their own $hit, the dems do something good and remove their own guy and Frackal still spins it into a anti-dem thread. Grats.

Edit: Getting hard to even keep tabs on all the scandals, but this may be a good source.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?ti...tion%27:_Related_SourceWatch_Resources
Click to expand...

What? I think you're reading this entirely wrong. It looks like he's giving props to the Dems for removing Jefferson.

And it does occur in the democrat side as well... but hopefully this will show that if and when it does happen, they at least won't put up with it and does what is needed.

The republicans put Bush in office on 'putting back some respect and morality' into the presidency... maybe the democrats can do the same for the House and Senate.
Click to expand...

Just out of curiosity how do you restore respect and morality to the Presidency by putting in a moron who commits war crimes by attacking another country that does not pose an imminent threat?
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Hey, i didn't say they succeeded! I'm just saying that's what the Republicans ran with in the 2000 election!
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OK, just checking.
 
Originally posted by: Looney
What? I think you're reading this entirely wrong. It looks like he's giving props to the Dems for removing Jefferson.
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I think you were reading it wrong, it was a backhanded compliment.

"Nice car Jim, do they make it in a masculine color?"
 
No, it was precisely what I stated. A good action taken, somewhat for political reasons, but other approaches probably could have been taken to attempt to accomplish those political goals and they chose this one.
 
Hmm, well, he hasn't been indited or convicted of anything yet, afaik, (isn't that what all the Dlelay supporters whined about??) BUT, I DO think this is a good first step...Since he's under such a strong cloud of suspicion, he SHOULDN'T be allowed to hold a position of influence, pending the outcome of the legal issues. IF he's convicted of bribery or any felony, (and from the evidence we've seen, hs SHOULD be) then he should be sent to prison, and lose his seat in the House, and be prohibited from running for any office...even dogcatcher. Guilty is guilty, no matter which side of the aisle they are from...
 
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: Looney
Originally posted by: Todd33
So to summarize, the repugs are neck deep in their own $hit, the dems do something good and remove their own guy and Frackal still spins it into a anti-dem thread. Grats.

Edit: Getting hard to even keep tabs on all the scandals, but this may be a good source.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?ti...tion%27:_Related_SourceWatch_Resources
Click to expand...

What? I think you're reading this entirely wrong. It looks like he's giving props to the Dems for removing Jefferson.

And it does occur in the democrat side as well... but hopefully this will show that if and when it does happen, they at least won't put up with it and does what is needed.

The republicans put Bush in office on 'putting back some respect and morality' into the presidency... maybe the democrats can do the same for the House and Senate.
Click to expand...

Just out of curiosity how do you restore respect and morality to the Presidency by putting in a moron who commits war crimes by attacking another country that does not pose an imminent threat?
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hmm have to agree restoreing respect and morality to the presidency after the last 2 is going to be hard.

with bush he takes crappy inteligance and leads us into a war, errodes privacy by spying on US citizens etc.

the with Clinton you have a presidant LIE under oath.


I am sick of it all. it needs to bw whiped out and redone. right now there is so much curroption its not even funny.
 
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: Looney
Originally posted by: Todd33
So to summarize, the repugs are neck deep in their own $hit, the dems do something good and remove their own guy and Frackal still spins it into a anti-dem thread. Grats.

Edit: Getting hard to even keep tabs on all the scandals, but this may be a good source.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?ti...tion%27:_Related_SourceWatch_Resources
Click to expand...

What? I think you're reading this entirely wrong. It looks like he's giving props to the Dems for removing Jefferson.

And it does occur in the democrat side as well... but hopefully this will show that if and when it does happen, they at least won't put up with it and does what is needed.

The republicans put Bush in office on 'putting back some respect and morality' into the presidency... maybe the democrats can do the same for the House and Senate.
Click to expand...

Just out of curiosity how do you restore respect and morality to the Presidency by putting in a moron who commits war crimes by attacking another country that does not pose an imminent threat?
Click to expand...


hmm have to agree restoreing respect and morality to the presidency after the last 2 is going to be hard.

with bush he takes crappy inteligance and leads us into a war, errodes privacy by spying on US citizens etc.

the with Clinton you have a presidant LIE under oath.


I am sick of it all. it needs to bw whiped out and redone. right now there is so much curroption its not even funny.
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Well there is this slight problem that I elected Pelosi and she's the one who booted this guy. I might boot her and that person might be worse. It's a problem.
 
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